Ecuador grants asylum to WikiLeaks founder Assange

Ecuador's decision on asylum


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WikiLeaks' Julian Assange granted asylum in Ecuador | Politics and Law - CNET News


However, U.K. authorities must approve a U.S. extradition from Sweden should that happen.

CNET's Declan McCullagh explained that Assange could be charged under the U.S. Espionage Act for his work with WikiLeaks, but that the 1917 era law could violate First Amendment rights of freedom of the press. Prosecutors with the U.S. Justice Dept. appear to be attempting to build conspiracy charges against Assange in order to avoid conflicts with freedom of speech laws.

Assange had until June 28 to lodge an appeal against his extradition to Sweden with the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, the highest court in Europe. His lawyer said he was considering the move, but unexpectedly entered the Ecuadorian embassy several days before the deadline.
 

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I don't think it's up to us to tell other countries what penalties to impose. We sure as hell wouldn't want them dictating to us.

We dont tell them not to impose certain penalties on our citizens who happen to be arrested in the US. Well, we may try but the US would have no reason to listen to us in that situation. But if we are the ones who catch them and the Americans want them - well, there are conditions to be met if you really want to have that person. The same would likely be true if some other country caught someone who commited a crime here. Then there are countries who will just flat out refuse to hand over anyone regardless of the situation. Extradition and diplomacy are not a one way street.
 

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However, U.K. authorities must approve a U.S. extradition from Sweden should that happen.

CNET's Declan McCullagh explained that Assange could be charged under the U.S. Espionage Act for his work with WikiLeaks, but that the 1917 era law could violate First Amendment rights of freedom of the press. Prosecutors with the U.S. Justice Dept. appear to be attempting to build conspiracy charges against Assange in order to avoid conflicts with freedom of speech laws.

Assange had until June 28 to lodge an appeal against his extradition to Sweden with the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, the highest court in Europe. His lawyer said he was considering the move, but unexpectedly entered the Ecuadorian embassy several days before the deadline.

Why would the UK have any authority over Sweden if Assange is in Sweden's custody.

I am not sure the Assange's publishing of US secrets is something we can try him for in the US. He's not a citizen so what could we possibly do to him? Manning we can of course. He's finished IMO. But I doubt we could do anything to Assange. Wouldn't that be like trying to charge a successful Soviet KGB Agent/Handler that hasn't set foot in the USA?
 

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Why would the UK have any authority over Sweden if Assange is in Sweden's custody.

I am not sure the Assange's publishing of US secrets is something we can try him for in the US. He's not a citizen so what could we possibly do to him? Manning we can of course. He's finished IMO. But I doubt we could do anything to Assange. Wouldn't that be like trying to charge a successful Soviet KGB Agent/Handler that hasn't set foot in the USA?

It prevents one from being extradited to a country and then sent on to another. Now I am not sure of this- but I noted it-- It must be EU Law - Only thing i can think of.

I believe Noriega was extradited to France after his US prison term was finished???? So it could be EU Law. Not sure though.
 

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Julian Assange living in ‘social incarceration’ in Equador’s embassy | World | News | National Post

The 41-year-old Australian computer expert has spent almost two months inside the embassy of the Latin American country, which on Thursday granted him asylum – but Ecuador lacks any obvious means of getting Assange past the police officers on the doorstep, onto a plane and out of Britain.

The Ecuadorean embassy consists of a ground floor apartment, some 10 rooms in all, inside an imposing red-brick apartment block in London’s posh Knightsbridge area, practically next door to the luxury department store Harrods.

The mission has no bedrooms or guest accommodation. People who have visited Assange say he is living in an office that has been outfitted with a bed, access to a phone and a connection to the Internet.

A shower has been installed, and the embassy has a small kitchenette. Assange also has received deliveries of pizza and other take-out food.

“It’s not quite the Hilton,” said Gavin MacFadyen, a supporter who has met with Assange at the embassy.

A treadmill provides some opportunity for exercise, and a sun lamp helps compensate for the lack of natural light.

Assange’s mother Christine has said that visiting friends “turn the music on and encourage him to dance with them.”

But Christine Assange has expressed fears for her son’s health. She said last month that he was facing severe stress after weeks of confinement and more than 18 months fighting legal battles while under strict bail conditions in Britain.

“He is under a lot of stress and it’s been long-term stress now for nearly two years and in conditions which are similar to detention,” she said.
 

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It prevents one from being extradited to a country and then sent on to another. Now I am not sure of this- but I noted it-- It must be EU Law - Only thing i can think of.

I believe Noriega was extradited to France after his US prison term was finished???? So it could be EU Law. Not sure though.

Ahhh... if it's an EU law... gotcha. It slipped my mind how bound they are to each other now.
 

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You condone his actions?
Other than embarrassing a bunch of people who needed a reality check, what did he do wrong? The situation on this planet is that the insane are in charge. I say expose them all. Phuque capitalism and imperialism! Time to bring those in charge of this asylum to their knees.
 

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Other than embarrassing a bunch of people who needed a reality check, what did he do wrong? The situation on this planet is that the insane are in charge. I say expose them all. Phuque capitalism and imperialism! Time to bring those in charge of this asylum to their knees.

Is it 5000 klicks already? :lol:
 

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Other than embarrassing a bunch of people who needed a reality check, what did he do wrong? The situation on this planet is that the insane are in charge. I say expose them all. Phuque capitalism and imperialism! Time to bring those in charge of this asylum to their knees.


Geez, I always thought "democracies" don't cringe from the truth!

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I thought Goober was asking about unprotected consentual sex.
 

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Geez, I always thought "democracies" don't cringe from the truth!

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I thought Goober was asking about unprotected consentual sex.

Well according to every level of court in the UK and the crown in Sweden there is enough evidence to lay charges and extradite him.

Do you see him as another Daniel Ellsberg?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange

Main article: Assange v The Swedish Prosecution Authority
In 2010, a European Arrest Warrant was issued for Assange in response to a Swedish police request for questioning in relation to a sexual assault investigation. Assange voluntarily attended a police station in England on 7 December 2010, and was arrested and taken into custody. After ten days in Wandsworth prison, Assange was freed on bail with a residence requirement at Ellingham Hall in Norfolk, England, fitted with an electronic tag and ordered to report to police daily. Assange appealed a February 2011 decision by English courts to extradite him to Sweden, saying the allegations were "without basis".[222][223] On 2 November 2011 the High Court upheld the extradition decision and rejected all four grounds of appeal presented by Assange's legal representatives. Costs of £19000 were also awarded against Assange.

On 20 August 2010, Swedish police began an investigation into allegations concerning Assange's behaviour in separate sexual encounters involving two different women.[224][225] Assange has described all the sexual encounters as consensual.[226][227] The arrest warrant was canceled on 21 August 2010 by one of Stockholm's chief prosecutors, Eva Finne, as the investigation was downgraded to only cover lesser charges, and re-issued by Swedish Director of Prosecution Marianne Ny on 1 September 2010 who considered that the allegations could be classed as rape.[228] In December 2010, Assange, then in Britain, learned that the Swedish authorities had issued a European Arrest Warrant (EAW) to extradite him to Sweden for questioning.

According to published reports, the charges Sweden has lodged against Assange involve two different women. Their initial intention was reportedly to force Assange to take an HIV test. There are four charges: that on 14 August 2010 he committed "unlawful coercion" when he held complainant 1 down with his body weight in a sexual manner; that he "sexually molested" complainant 1 when he had condom-less sex with her after she insisted that he use one; that he had condom-less sex with complainant 2 on the morning of 17 August while she was asleep; and that he "deliberately molested" complainant 1 on 18 August 2010 by pressing his erect penis against her body.[229][230]

An extradition hearing took place on 7–8 and 11 February 2011 before the City of Westminster Magistrates' Court[231][232] when the extradition warrant was upheld.[233][234][235][236]

On 2 March 2011, his lawyers lodged papers at the High Court challenging the ruling to extradite Assange to Sweden.[237] After a hearing on 12 and 13 July 2011, the High Court reserved its judgment, and on 2 November 2011, dismissed his appeal.[238] On 5 December 2011 Assange's lawyers were granted permission to appeal to the Supreme Court, after the High Court certified that a point of law of general public importance, that ought to be considered by the Supreme Court, was involved in its decision.[239] The certified question was whether a prosecutor can be a judicial authority.[240][241] The Supreme Court heard argument in the appeal on 1 and 2 February 2012.[242] and reserved its judgment,[243] while Assange remained on conditional bail.[237][244] On 30 May 2012 the court dismissed the appeal by a majority of 5–2.[245] The court granted Assange two weeks to make an application to reopen the appeal after his counsel argued the judgments of the majority relied on an interpretation of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties which was not argued during the hearing.[246]

Barring any appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, extradition had been expected to take place over a ten day period commencing on 28 June 2012.[247]

Assange's lawyer in Britain, Mark Stephens claimed the charges in Sweden are just a 'holding case' while the US prepares its prosecution over Wikileak's activities. He said Assange could face extradition or illegal rendition to the US from Sweden where he could be detained in a high-security prison and face the death penalty. Stephens said he believed Swedish officials were cooperating with US authorities.[248]
 
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Anyone know what he is ACTUALLY guilty of?

No. However, Sweden's is a reputable legal system, as is Britain's for the most part.

I voted not sure myself, because i don't know on what grounds Equador granted him asylum, so I'll grant the ecuaroean system the benefit of the doubt here.

That said, Assange's attempts to avoid extradition makes him look either an innocent coward or actually guilty of what he's been accused on in Sweden; neither of which put him in a positive light.

If he really is innocent, why not just go to Sweeden and get it over with. And quite honestly, even if he is gulty he'll likley be better off going to Sweden and getting it over with even then.
 

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...far too much about this case is suspicious. The timing of the rape accusations. The refusal of Sweden to question Assange in Britain, or to give any guarantees that he won’t be whisked off the the US—where he could face the death penalty—when he sets foot on Swedish soil. And, most of all, the staggering resources expended to hunt the fellow down and render him to Sweden. . . . Assange is being targeted because he not only spoke truth to power but stuck his finger in power’s eye.

Interpol has put Assange on its "most-wanted" list -- for having sex without a condom, - and Britain and Sweden are both acting like Assange is history's greatest monster.


http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08/16/julian-assange-still-on-most-wanted-list-despite-ecuadors-decision-to-grant-him-asylum-interpol/





As Ian Welsh notes, Pinochet had women raped by dogs and Britain wouldn't extradite him.


http://www.ianwelsh.net/pinochet-had-opponents-raped-by-dogs-and-britain-wouldnt-extradite-him/





Julian Assange has urged the US to end its "witch-hunt" against Wikileaks, in his first public statement since entering Ecuador's London embassy.

He also called for the release of Bradley Manning, who is awaiting trial in the US accused of leaking classified documents to the Wikileaks site.

Mr Assange spoke from a balcony at the embassy and thanked Ecuador's president, who has granted him asylum.

He faces extradition to Sweden over sexual assault claims, which he denies.

The 41-year-old said the United States must also stop its "war on whistleblowers".

He added: "The United States must vow that it will not seek to prosecute our staff or our supporters.

"The United States must pledge before the world that it will not pursue journalists for shining a light on the secret crimes of the powerful.

Mr Assange also said the United States was facing a choice between re-affirming the "revolutionary values it was founded on" or "dragging us all into a dangerous and oppressive world in which journalists fall silent under the fear of prosecution and citizens must whisper in the dark".



http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19310335







 

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...far too much about this case is suspicious. The timing of the rape accusations. The refusal of Sweden to question Assange in Britain, or to give any guarantees that he won’t be whisked off the the US—where he could face the death penalty—when he sets foot on Swedish soil. And, most of all, the staggering resources expended to hunt the fellow down and render him to Sweden. . . . Assange is being targeted because he not only spoke truth to power but stuck his finger in power’s eye.

Tay- The EU will not extradite anyone to the US unless the death penalty is removed from any sentnece if convicted.

Now if Assange wants to I am sure Ecuador -UK and Sweden could make an arrangement that no extradition to another country will take place. Regardless of if he is innocent or guilty after trial. After trial or sentence if found so then after serving his term granted safe passage to Ecuador guaranteed.

If Osama Bin Laden had turned himself into any EU country he could not be extradited to the US if the Death penalty was or could be part of the sentence.
 

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I have followed this a little bit and as I understand it, it goes somehting like this.
Britain wants to send him to Sweden. Most people think this is sexual assault
as we would term it, but not so fast. In Sweden people who do not know each
other have to wear a condom or they can be charged, who knew/
Yes, they got a couple of women to come forward and make the claim this in
fact happened. Hmmm, why have the women not been charged here. Oh I
heard this latest part on TV not sure if it was CBC or CNN was doing other things.
Britain knew the fix was in and they went through the motions until the defendant
figured out the fix was in.
Remember the howl that went up when Iran invaded the American Embassy?
Britain seems to be returning to its colonial roots on this issue. Yes America
wants him, at first so did I but now not so sure. While I don't agree that he should
put agents in harms way, the lying and cheating and scamming has gone on
long enough. Secrets exposed maybe that is what we need to clean the world up.
Nope I hope he wins this one, its a trumped up charge to get the extradition going
so America can make an example of him.
 

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I have followed this a little bit and as I understand it, it goes somehting like this.
Britain wants to send him to Sweden. Most people think this is sexual assault
as we would term it, but not so fast. In Sweden people who do not know each
other have to wear a condom or they can be charged, who knew/
Yes, they got a couple of women to come forward and make the claim this in
fact happened. Hmmm, why have the women not been charged here. Oh I
heard this latest part on TV not sure if it was CBC or CNN was doing other things.
Britain knew the fix was in and they went through the motions until the defendant
figured out the fix was in.
Remember the howl that went up when Iran invaded the American Embassy?
Britain seems to be returning to its colonial roots on this issue. Yes America
wants him, at first so did I but now not so sure. While I don't agree that he should
put agents in harms way, the lying and cheating and scamming has gone on
long enough. Secrets exposed maybe that is what we need to clean the world up.
Nope I hope he wins this one, its a trumped up charge to get the extradition going
so America can make an example of him.
If he did put agents in harms way,it was not intentional,unlike the politician who apparently,spilled the beans about the wife of an opponant,who was working undercover,the asstard put her life in danger.
 

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I have followed this a little bit and as I understand it, it goes somehting like this.
Britain wants to send him to Sweden. Most people think this is sexual assault
as we would term it, but not so fast. In Sweden people who do not know each
other have to wear a condom or they can be charged, who knew/
Yes, they got a couple of women to come forward and make the claim this in
fact happened. Hmmm, why have the women not been charged here. Oh I
heard this latest part on TV not sure if it was CBC or CNN was doing other things.
Britain knew the fix was in and they went through the motions until the defendant
figured out the fix was in.
Remember the howl that went up when Iran invaded the American Embassy?
Britain seems to be returning to its colonial roots on this issue. Yes America
wants him, at first so did I but now not so sure. While I don't agree that he should
put agents in harms way, the lying and cheating and scamming has gone on
long enough. Secrets exposed maybe that is what we need to clean the world up.
Nope I hope he wins this one, its a trumped up charge to get the extradition going
so America can make an example of him.

Assange wanted to make secret Govt. discourse between nations, reports on nations, by Ambassadors- sources- and such to stop- Assange wanted a diplomatic firestorm where other Govts. would not trust their information, opinions etc with US diplomats - The idea was to break that chain of back channel information. No more no less that that- And the US was the target.
Now think of the repercussions when Govts cannot talk privately. And think what the results of not having that ability would be.
 

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If he did put agents in harms way,it was not intentional,unlike the politician who apparently,spilled the beans about the wife of an opponant,who was working undercover,the asstard put her life in danger.

The guy is the equivalent of Lord Ha Ha, or Tokyo Rose.

What he deserves is execution.