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Any crowds of Democrats stormed the Capitol to overthrow the Constitution?

Yes, yes, start screeching about the BLM protests as if they're the same thing.
We both know there was zero chance of overthrowing the constitution or threatening democracy.

And you're right - the blm riots were different. They were far more deadly, cost billions more in damage, terrorized a lot more people. They had the same goal tho, trying to terrorize people into doing what the lawbreakers wanted instead of using democratic processes. There is a difference between an insurgent and a terrorist, but it's not much of one.

The problem is the dems and those who supported those riots really have zero right to complain about the capital riot. What was it AOC said? "Protests are SUPPOSED to make people uncomfortable".
 
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Any crowds of Democrats stormed the Capitol to overthrow the Constitution?

Yes, yes, start screeching about the BLM protests as if they're the same thing.
They didn't plan on over throwing anything. They were protesting peacefully. While no one is saying they should not have gone into the Capital, nothing like the riots of 2020 was even close & the ONLY person to die was an unarmed protester. It appears you have fallen for the "kool-aid". Apparently if something is repeated often enough you believe it as evidenced here.
 
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They didn't plan on over throwing anything. They were protesting peacefully. While no one is saying they should not have gone into the Capital, nothing like the riots of 2020 was even close & the ONLY person to die was an unarmed protester. It appears you have fallen for the "kool-aid". Apparently if something is repeated often enough you believe it as evidenced here.
He,She,It knows all that but she is keeping the narrative front and center like a good soldier .
 
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Trump lawyers reject Justice Dept. request on classified documents
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Sarah N. Lynch
Publishing date:Sep 12, 2022 • 22 hours ago • 1 minute read • Join the conversation
The three page itemized list of property seized in the execution of a search warrant by the FBI at former U.S. President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate is seen after being released by the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida in West Palm Beach, Fla., Aug. 12, 2022.
The three page itemized list of property seized in the execution of a search warrant by the FBI at former U.S. President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate is seen after being released by the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida in West Palm Beach, Fla., Aug. 12, 2022. PHOTO BY JIM BOURG /REUTERS
WASHINGTON — Former President Donald Trump’s attorneys on Monday said they oppose the U.S. Justice Department’s request to continue to review classified documents seized by the FBI from his Florida estate last month in an ongoing criminal investigation.


In a court filing, his lawyers also asked U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon to require an independent arbiter, called a special master, to include the roughly 100 documents with classification markings in its review of more than 11,000 records recovered during the court-approved Aug. 8 search at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach.


Trump is under investigation for retaining government records, some of which were marked as highly classified, at Mar-a-Lago after leaving office in January 2021. The government is also investigating possible obstruction of the probe.

“In what at its core is a document storage dispute that has spiraled out of control, the government wrongfully seeks to criminalize the possession by the 45th President of his own presidential and personal records,” Trump’s lawyers wrote.


“The government should therefore not be permitted to skip the process and proceed straight to a preordained conclusion,” they added.

The clash between the Justice Department and Trump over how to treat classified material puts Cannon on the hot seat to make a decision.

If she rules that the Justice Department cannot continue relying on the classified materials for its criminal probe or insists on letting the special master review them, prosecutors have threatened to appeal to the Atlanta-based 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The documents probe is one of several federal and state investigations Trump is facing from his time in office and in private business. He has suggested he might run for president again in 2024, but has not made any commitment.
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There's a lot of talk from the legal types that what this judge did was, well "stupid". Though the DOJ is willing to work with her on her ruling, in the end, from what I understand, there are documents involved that a) are NOT under Executive privilege/Client-Attorney privilage and thus should not be covered under this special master and b) it'd take too long to GET someone of the right level of clearance to be able to look over the documents if they did have to go full hog, that this is clearly a stall tactic.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
 

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There's a lot of talk from the legal types that what this judge did was, well "stupid". Though the DOJ is willing to work with her on her ruling, in the end, from what I understand, there are documents involved that a) are NOT under Executive privilege/Client-Attorney privilage and thus should not be covered under this special master and b) it'd take too long to GET someone of the right level of clearance to be able to look over the documents if they did have to go full hog, that this is clearly a stall tactic.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
It will fizzle out slowly after midterm elections .
 

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Man in clown wig takes gun to Dairy Queen, says he wants to 'kill all democrats'
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Publishing date:Sep 14, 2022 • 1 day ago • 1 minute read • Join the conversation
A Pennsylvania man wearing a rainbow clown wig faces charges after he allegedly took a loaded gun into a Dairy Queen and threatened to "kill all democrats."
A Pennsylvania man wearing a rainbow clown wig faces charges after he allegedly took a loaded gun into a Dairy Queen and threatened to "kill all democrats." PHOTO BY GETTY IMAGES /Toronto Sun
A Pennsylvania man wearing a rainbow clown wig faces charges after he allegedly took a loaded gun into a Dairy Queen and threatened to “kill all democrats.”


A man — identified Jan Stawovy, 61 — allegedly took the gun into the Delmont Dairy Queen while wearing a yellow safety vest and rainbow clown wig, according to CBSnews.com.


Police said an officer responded after callers reported a man with a gun had walked into a Dairy Queen on State Route 66 on Saturday, according to the report.

The officer arrested Stawovy, who was allegedly found with a loaded .40-caliber handgun and ammunition, police said.

Stawovy faces charges of terroristic threats, carrying without a license, person not to possess/use firearms and disorderly conduct.

Stawovy allegedly told police he was “undercover” and he was “working to restore Trump to president king of the United States.” He said he was armed to “kill Democrats and liberals” and to protect himself from “drug traffickers.”

Investigators got a search warrant and allegedly found two more guns in his car along with 62 rounds of ammunition.

In looking at Stawovy’s Facebook page, he has a history of outbursts and threats.
 

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Rioter who wore 'Camp Auschwitz' sweatshirt gets jail term
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Publishing date:Sep 15, 2022 • 13 hours ago • 3 minute read • Join the conversation

A Virginia man who stormed the U.S. Capitol while wearing an antisemitic “Camp Auschwitz” sweatshirt over a Nazi-themed shirt was sentenced on Thursday to 75 days of imprisonment.


Robert Keith Packer, 57, declined to address U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols before he sentenced him during hearing held by video conference. The judge noted the “incredibly offensive” message on Packer’s sweatshirt before imposing the sentence.


“It seems to me that he wore that sweatshirt for a reason. We don’t know what the reason was because Mr. Packer hasn’t told us,” Nichols said.

Photographs of Packer wearing the sweatshirt went viral after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. When FBI agents asked him why he wore it, he “fatuously” replied, “Because I was cold,” a federal prosecutor said in a court filing.

Packer’s sweatshirt depicted an image of a human skull above the words “Camp Auschwitz.” The word “Staff” was on the back. It also bore the phrase “Work Brings Freedom,” a rough translation of the German words above the entrance gate to Auschwitz, the concentration camp in occupied Poland where Nazis killed more than 1 million men, women and children.


Assistant U.S. Attorney Mona Furst said she learned on Wednesday that Packer also wore an “SS” T-shirt — a reference to the Nazi Party paramilitary organization founded by Adolf Hitler — under his sweatshirt on Jan. 6.

Defense attorney Stephen Brennwald acknowledged that Packer’s attire was “seriously offensive” but argued that it shouldn’t be a sentencing factor because he has a free speech right to wear it.

Brennwald added that Packer was offended and angry to be labeled a white supremacist “because he doesn’t see himself that way at all.” The defense lawyer said Packer wanted him to sue House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for linking him to white supremacy during a press conference several days after the riot.


Packer, a resident of Newport News, Virginia, pleaded guilty in January to a misdemeanor count of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building, which carries a maximum sentence of six months of imprisonment.

Packer told the FBI that he was about 10 to 12 feet away from a rioter, Ashli Babbitt, when a police officer fatally shot her as she tried to climb through the broken window of a barricaded door leading to the Speaker’s Lobby.

“He told the agents he heard the shot and saw her fall back from the window she was trying to climb through,” Furst wrote in a court filing.

Furst said Packer didn’t express any remorse during his FBI interview.

“He was more interested in relaying how he received hate mail and how he was ‘hounded’ by the media for interviews,” she added.


Packer’s younger sister, Kimberly Rice, wrote a letter asking the judge for leniency. She said her brother’s sweatshirt “could be considered in poor taste” but added that “freedom of expression” isn’t a crime.

Prosecutors had recommended a sentence of 75 days of incarceration followed by 36 months of probation. Brennwald sought a probationary sentence with no jail time.

FBI agents arrested Packer a week after the riot. He has remained free while awaiting sentencing.

Packer is a self-employed pipe fitter. Prosecutors say he has a lengthy criminal record, with approximately 21 convictions, mostly for drunken driving and other motor vehicle violations.

More than 870 people have been charged with federal crimes for their conduct on Jan. 6. Approximately 400 of them have pleaded guilty, mostly to misdemeanor offenses,. Over 250 riot defendants have been sentenced, with roughly half getting terms of imprisonment ranging from seven days to 10 years.
 

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Rioter who wore 'Camp Auschwitz' sweatshirt gets jail term
Author of the article:Associated Press
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Michael Kunzelman
Publishing date:Sep 15, 2022 • 13 hours ago • 3 minute read • Join the conversation

A Virginia man who stormed the U.S. Capitol while wearing an antisemitic “Camp Auschwitz” sweatshirt over a Nazi-themed shirt was sentenced on Thursday to 75 days of imprisonment.


Robert Keith Packer, 57, declined to address U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols before he sentenced him during hearing held by video conference. The judge noted the “incredibly offensive” message on Packer’s sweatshirt before imposing the sentence.


“It seems to me that he wore that sweatshirt for a reason. We don’t know what the reason was because Mr. Packer hasn’t told us,” Nichols said.

Photographs of Packer wearing the sweatshirt went viral after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. When FBI agents asked him why he wore it, he “fatuously” replied, “Because I was cold,” a federal prosecutor said in a court filing.

Packer’s sweatshirt depicted an image of a human skull above the words “Camp Auschwitz.” The word “Staff” was on the back. It also bore the phrase “Work Brings Freedom,” a rough translation of the German words above the entrance gate to Auschwitz, the concentration camp in occupied Poland where Nazis killed more than 1 million men, women and children.


Assistant U.S. Attorney Mona Furst said she learned on Wednesday that Packer also wore an “SS” T-shirt — a reference to the Nazi Party paramilitary organization founded by Adolf Hitler — under his sweatshirt on Jan. 6.

Defense attorney Stephen Brennwald acknowledged that Packer’s attire was “seriously offensive” but argued that it shouldn’t be a sentencing factor because he has a free speech right to wear it.

Brennwald added that Packer was offended and angry to be labeled a white supremacist “because he doesn’t see himself that way at all.” The defense lawyer said Packer wanted him to sue House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for linking him to white supremacy during a press conference several days after the riot.


Packer, a resident of Newport News, Virginia, pleaded guilty in January to a misdemeanor count of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building, which carries a maximum sentence of six months of imprisonment.

Packer told the FBI that he was about 10 to 12 feet away from a rioter, Ashli Babbitt, when a police officer fatally shot her as she tried to climb through the broken window of a barricaded door leading to the Speaker’s Lobby.

“He told the agents he heard the shot and saw her fall back from the window she was trying to climb through,” Furst wrote in a court filing.

Furst said Packer didn’t express any remorse during his FBI interview.

“He was more interested in relaying how he received hate mail and how he was ‘hounded’ by the media for interviews,” she added.


Packer’s younger sister, Kimberly Rice, wrote a letter asking the judge for leniency. She said her brother’s sweatshirt “could be considered in poor taste” but added that “freedom of expression” isn’t a crime.

Prosecutors had recommended a sentence of 75 days of incarceration followed by 36 months of probation. Brennwald sought a probationary sentence with no jail time.

FBI agents arrested Packer a week after the riot. He has remained free while awaiting sentencing.

Packer is a self-employed pipe fitter. Prosecutors say he has a lengthy criminal record, with approximately 21 convictions, mostly for drunken driving and other motor vehicle violations.

More than 870 people have been charged with federal crimes for their conduct on Jan. 6. Approximately 400 of them have pleaded guilty, mostly to misdemeanor offenses,. Over 250 riot defendants have been sentenced, with roughly half getting terms of imprisonment ranging from seven days to 10 years.

This guy deserves more than just 75 days.
 

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So - this guy seems to know a lot about a lot of things. But he doesn't understand people or psychology at all.

Trump is essentially a sociopath among other things. He does not think about how other people will be impacted. It simply doesn't occur to him and if it did it wouldn't occur to him that he should care. Trump does what he does because it makes him happy or because it's something he wants. It pleases him for one reason or another and the consequences are not something that really matters. It pleases him that people will stand up for him like that, it pleases him that there will be consequences for "being mean to him' and thwarting his will. So any consequences just don't matter and frankly really don't register in his mind.

That's how he's always been. You might like trump for other reasons, but this is an element of his personality that simply is, and the fact this guy is somehow shocked by it suggests he's got limited experience with people. (which is not a bad thing at all to be honest).

So what he doesn't undrestand is he IS leading. This is where he wants to lead. It amuses him for whatever reason. IF he gets it in his head that he should lead people away from violence he'll do that without a second's hesitation but his reasons for doing that won't be out of grave concern for the people who might get hurt.
 

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Trump openly embraces, amplifies QAnon conspiracy theories
Author of the article:Associated Press
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David Klepper And Ali Swenson
Publishing date:Sep 16, 2022 • 1 day ago • 5 minute read • Join the conversation

After winking at QAnon for years, Donald Trump is overtly embracing the baseless conspiracy theory, even as the number of frightening real-world events linked to it grows.


On Tuesday, using his Truth Social platform, the Republican former president reposted an image of himself wearing a Q lapel pin overlaid with the words “The Storm is Coming.” In QAnon lore, the “storm” refers to Trump’s final victory, when supposedly he will regain power and his opponents will be tried, and potentially executed, on live television.


As Trump contemplates another run for the presidency and has become increasingly assertive in the Republican primary process during the midterm elections, his actions show that far from distancing himself from the political fringe, he is welcoming it.

He’s published dozens of recent Q-related posts, in contrast to 2020, when he claimed that while he didn’t know much about QAnon, he couldn’t disprove its conspiracy theory.


Pressed on QAnon theories that Trump allegedly is saving the nation from a satanic cult of child sex traffickers, he claimed ignorance but asked, “Is that supposed to be a bad thing?”

“If I can help save the world from problems, I’m willing to do it,” Trump said.

Trump’s recent postings have included images referring to himself as a martyr fighting criminals, psychopaths and the so-called deep state. In one now-deleted post from late August, he reposted a “q drop,” one of the cryptic message board postings that QAnon supporters claim come from an anonymous government worker with top secret clearance.

A Trump spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment.

Even when his posts haven’t referred to the conspiracy theory directly, Trump has amplified users who do. An Associated Press analysis found that of nearly 75 accounts Trump has reposted on his Truth Social profile in the past month, more than a third of them have promoted QAnon by sharing the movement’s slogans, videos or imagery. About 1 in 10 include QAnon language or links in their profile bios.


Earlier this month, Trump chose a QAnon song to close out a rally in Pennsylvania. The same song appears in one of his recent campaign videos and is titled “WWG1WGA,” an acronym used as a rallying cry for Q adherents that stands for “Where we go one, we go all.”

Online, Q adherents basked in Trump’s attention.

“Yup, haters!” wrote one commenter on an anonymous QAnon message board. “Trump re-truthed Q memes. And he’ll do it again, more and more of them, over and OVER, until (asterisk)everyone(asterisk) finally gets it. Make fun of us all you want, whatever! Soon Q will be everywhere!”

“Trump Sending a Clear Message Patriots,” a QAnon-linked account on Truth Social wrote. “He Re-Truthed This for a Reason.”

The former president may be seeking solidarity with his most loyal supporters at a time when he faces escalating investigations and potential challengers within his own party, according to Mia Bloom, a professor at Georgia State University who has studied QAnon and recently wrote a book about the group.


“These are people who have elevated Trump to messiah-like status, where only he can stop this cabal,” Bloom told the AP on Thursday. “That’s why you see so many images (in online QAnon spaces) of Trump as Jesus.”

On Truth Social, QAnon-affiliated accounts hail Trump as a hero and savior and vilify President Joe Biden by comparing him to Adolf Hitler or the devil. When Trump shares the content, they congratulate each other. Some accounts proudly display how many times Trump has “re-truthed” them in their bios.

By using their own language to directly address QAnon supporters, Trump is telling them that they’ve been right all along and that he shares their secret mission, according to Janet McIntosh, an anthropologist at Brandeis University who has studied QAnon’s use of language and symbols.


It also allows Trump to endorse their beliefs and their hope for a violent uprising without expressly saying so, she said, citing his recent post about “the storm” as a particularly frightening example.

“The ‘storm is coming’ is shorthand for something really dark that he’s not saying out loud,” McIntosh said. “This is a way for him to point to violence without explicitly calling for it. He is the prince of plausible deniability.”

Bloom predicted that Trump may later attempt to market Q-related merchandise or perhaps ask QAnon followers to donate to his legal defense.

Regardless of motive, Bloom said, it’s a reckless move that feeds a dangerous movement.

A growing list of criminal episodes has been linked to people who had expressed support for the conspiracy theory, which U.S. intelligence officials have warned could trigger more violence.


QAnon supporters were among those who violently stormed the Capitol during the failed Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection.

In November 2020, two men drove to a vote-counting site in Philadelphia in a Hummer adorned with QAnon stickers and loaded with a rifle, 100 rounds of ammunition and other weapons. Prosecutors alleged they were trying to interfere with the election.

Last year, a California man who told authorities he had been enlightened by QAnon was accused of killing his two children because he believed they had serpent DNA.

Last month, a Colorado woman was found guilty of attempting to kidnap her son from foster care after her daughter said she began associating with QAnon supporters. Other adherents have been accused of environmental vandalism, firing paintballs at military reservists, abducting a child in France and even killing a New York City mob boss.


On Sunday, police fatally shot a Michigan man who they say had killed his wife and severely injured his daughter. A surviving daughter told The Detroit News that she believes her father was motivated by QAnon.

“I think that he was always prone to (mental issues), but it really brought him down when he was reading all those weird things on the internet,” she told the newspaper.

The same weekend a Pennsylvania man who had reposted QAnon content on Facebook was arrested after he allegedly charged into a Dairy Queen with a gun, saying he wanted to kill all Democrats and restore Trump to power.

Major social media platforms including YouTube, Facebook and Twitter have banned content associated with QAnon and have suspended or blocked accounts that seek to spread it. That’s forced much of the group’s activities onto platforms that have less moderation, including Telegram, Gab and Trump’s struggling platform, Truth Social.