Some people used to "bleed" sick people to get rid of the badness. I get a kick out of the idea that because ancient people did something, it must be inherently good or wise.
Do you consider marijuana riskier than alcohol or tobacco?
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Some people used to "bleed" sick people to get rid of the badness. I get a kick out of the idea that because ancient people did something, it must be inherently good or wise.
Bleeding an infected wound is still an excellent remedy.
The powder off Birch bark is still an antiseptic pain killer. Wood cutting boards are better, because wood contains natural antiseptics.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
I get a kick out of people that think because science usurped ancient remedies, it somehow negates ancient remedies. :roll:
The powder off Birch bark is still an antiseptic pain killer. Wood cutting boards are better, because wood contains natural antiseptics.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
I get a kick out of people that think because science usurped ancient remedies, it somehow negates ancient remedies. :roll:
Good point about the law. If you factor in the increased risk of harm due to marijuana laws, then yes I'd agree marijuana is more harmful than tobacco or alcohol... by far. Users buy from criminals and support criminal activity which include violence in the form of turf wars and theft. Who are you going to complain to is someone robs you of your marijuana? The law also puts people's careers at risk, interferes with travel...
However if we decriminalize it, we will still have plenty of legal problems which will have to be regulated and diplomatic issues with the US which will have to be resolved first.
Drug classification rethink urged
By Pallab Ghosh
Science correspondent, BBC News
The entire article is worth reading.
BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Drug classification rethink urged
I'm not so sure I agree with the relatively light weighting of LSD and Solvents.... I'd like to see the rationale on that. Anyone else challenge the above chart?
Also as Ron pointed out, if you take into account the effect of laws, legally accessible drugs like alcohol and tobacco would become less risky compared to the illegal prohibited ones.
I can also prove that breathing causes causes ALL addictions.
Of far more concern than pot is the number of people that are dependent on various drugs that Big Pharma pushes and the damage caused by them both to individual health and as a cost to society.
I heard a really dumb story yesterday that sort of falls into Colpy's domain. A fellow firefighter is a security at NGH. Many times people leave emrg or day surgery with a healthy dose of morphine or other narcotic and hop in their car to drive home. The security staff has no authority to stop them , all they can do is call 911 and report the driver if they manage to get the license number. Several have had accidents within sight of the hospital. I don't know if this is only in B.C. or Canada wide but it seems dumb and dangerous to me.
Regarding marijuana... its habit forming, which is similar to physically addictive. It can trigger drug induced schizophrenia for some people. Its associated with increased cancers of throat and brain, but not lungs unless associated with tobacco. Its reduces slightly the risk of heart attack and stroke. Mostly anecdotal evidence suggests that marijuana can alleviate or reduce the symptoms of a variety of diseases. Active ingredients in Marijuana, known collectively as cannabinoids may have medical/pharmacological uses:
...cannabinoids met with various results in controlled trials, and their success in opioid-induced nausea remains anecdotal. Limited studies suggest that tetrahydro-cannabinol (dronabinol) may be of utility in nausea of certain etiologies, including that associated with chemotherapy, human immuno-deficiency virus therapy, and gastrointestinal malignant metastases. Opioid-induced nausea has not been directly studied with this agent. Antiemetic dosages may be considerably higher than those for appetite stimulation and may limit the drug's use secondary to tolera-bility...
Medscape: Medscape Access
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...the amelioration of nausea and vomiting, stimulation of hunger in chemotherapy and AIDS patients, lowered intraocular eye pressure (shown to be effective for treating glaucoma), as well as gastrointestinal illness. Its effectiveness as an analgesic has been suggested—and disputed—as well... ...Synthetic cannabinoids are available as prescription drugs in some countries. Examples are Marinol (The United States and Canada) and Cesamet (Canada, Mexico, the United Kingdom, and the United States)... ...While utilizing cannabis for recreational purposes is illegal in many parts of the world, many countries are beginning to entertain varying levels of decriminalization for medical usage, including Canada, Austria, Germany, the Netherlands, Czech Republic, Spain, Israel, Italy, Finland, and Portugal. In the United States, federal law outlaws all use of herb parts from Cannabis, while some states have approved use of herb parts from Cannabis as medical cannabis in conflict with federal law. The United States Supreme Court has ruled in United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Coop and Gonzales v. Raich that the federal government has a right to regulate and criminalize cannabis, even for medical purposes.
A person can therefore be prosecuted for a cannabis-related crime even if it is medical cannabis that is legal according to the laws of this state...
Medical cannabis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...cannabinoids met with various results in controlled trials, and their success in opioid-induced nausea remains anecdotal. Limited studies suggest that tetrahydro-cannabinol (dronabinol) may be of utility in nausea of certain etiologies, including that associated with chemotherapy, human immuno-deficiency virus therapy, and gastrointestinal malignant metastases. Opioid-induced nausea has not been directly studied with this agent. Antiemetic dosages may be considerably higher than those for appetite stimulation and may limit the drug's use secondary to tolera-bility...
Medscape: Medscape Access
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...the amelioration of nausea and vomiting, stimulation of hunger in chemotherapy and AIDS patients, lowered intraocular eye pressure (shown to be effective for treating glaucoma), as well as gastrointestinal illness. Its effectiveness as an analgesic has been suggested—and disputed—as well... ...Synthetic cannabinoids are available as prescription drugs in some countries. Examples are Marinol (The United States and Canada) and Cesamet (Canada, Mexico, the United Kingdom, and the United States)... ...While utilizing cannabis for recreational purposes is illegal in many parts of the world, many countries are beginning to entertain varying levels of decriminalization for medical usage, including Canada, Austria, Germany, the Netherlands, Czech Republic, Spain, Israel, Italy, Finland, and Portugal. In the United States, federal law outlaws all use of herb parts from Cannabis, while some states have approved use of herb parts from Cannabis as medical cannabis in conflict with federal law. The United States Supreme Court has ruled in United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Coop and Gonzales v. Raich that the federal government has a right to regulate and criminalize cannabis, even for medical purposes.
A person can therefore be prosecuted for a cannabis-related crime even if it is medical cannabis that is legal according to the laws of this state...
Medical cannabis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I'm not sure that all these cases can be attributed to Big Pharma, I remember one or more instances after my wife underwent a procedure she was told in no uncertain terms by the doctor NOT to drive. I'd say a person who drives under the influence of morphine is 100% to blame.
It is not so much the drug use that is damaging but the illegality that causes so many problems. Drug addiction is a disease , probably genetic and should be treated as such. Treating addiction as a criminal matter came about because someone made big bucks out of it . On both sides of the law.
This is the same problem with working at a bar vs drinking and driving. Usually hospital staff give instructions regarding driving and getting home.
People should have to surrender their keys in order to get access to drugs that affect their ability to operate a motorized vehicle. Until they pass a test, they don't don't get their keys back:
DUI test almost passed... - YouTube
I'd like to see the laws changed.
I'm against advertising or promoting drug use in any form... including alcohol and tobacco. In general people are better off without drugs. Parents should be able to protect their children from advertising which promotes drug use.
I support addict access to pharmaceutical grade drugs... under controlled circumstances. Each drug would have to be treated differently. I don't want a desperate heroine addict in my face looking for drug money at 6:30 AM as I'm heading for a metro station in Vancouver a couple of weeks ago. I want that person to be somewhere warm and drug induced comfortable. I'd support paying for it out of my taxes. I'm not sure how drugs like cocaine and amphetamines should be controlled... But I support addict access, maybe in a locked facility which sort of resembles a bar/rave club with tight security. While getting in would be voluntary, leaving would certainly require passing tests.
Canada would have to practice exit control for people traveling to the US. We'd need an agreement for them to hand over Canadians to Canadian authorities. In exchange we'd hand over Americans to American authorities...
Basically what I would support would be a "least harm" approach, which would require government, criminal/justice, medical and scientific joint management of our drug problems, which includes legal recreational and prescription drugs.
I'm against advertising or promoting drug use in any form... including alcohol and tobacco. In general people are better off without drugs. Parents should be able to protect their children from advertising which promotes drug use.
I support addict access to pharmaceutical grade drugs... under controlled circumstances. Each drug would have to be treated differently. I don't want a desperate heroine addict in my face looking for drug money at 6:30 AM as I'm heading for a metro station in Vancouver a couple of weeks ago. I want that person to be somewhere warm and drug induced comfortable. I'd support paying for it out of my taxes. I'm not sure how drugs like cocaine and amphetamines should be controlled... But I support addict access, maybe in a locked facility which sort of resembles a bar/rave club with tight security. While getting in would be voluntary, leaving would certainly require passing tests.
Canada would have to practice exit control for people traveling to the US. We'd need an agreement for them to hand over Canadians to Canadian authorities. In exchange we'd hand over Americans to American authorities...
Basically what I would support would be a "least harm" approach, which would require government, criminal/justice, medical and scientific joint management of our drug problems, which includes legal recreational and prescription drugs.
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Did a bit of reading, & I was wrong. Dope's an old world thing
(Cliffy is correct) and was introduced to the Americas. Tobacco
and Coco (& Coca) and Corn and Potatoes such came back the
other way.
Whoops...
Is that why Pharmaceutical Companies have spent 10's upon 10's of millions researching and gather information on old medicines used by people from Africa to South America.
Guess they were stupid eh.
No, they just understand that people are stupid. The Slap Chop is ample evidence that people will buy anything.
Depends on what you consider harmful. Will kill you, tobacco and alcohol hands down, stunt your academic ability while using it marijuana and alcohol. That is two points for alcohol.
Don't you mean...I am not a marywanna smoking pot head I am a patient of Dr Cannabis.
Cypress Hill- Dr.GreenThumb (uncensored) - YouTube
Goddess Seshat was keeper of Holy Books written by Thoth including those of medicine and science. Bastet was another Egyptian goddess associated with cannabis. And there were others in India and China. Hemp did not come into the New World until the mid 1500s though there were other herbs that provided similar medical value.