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How many stories out there about young children talking about long dead relatives they knew or heard nothing about before hand ,in detail.
Do you believe in past lives?
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How many stories out there about young children talking about long dead relatives they knew or heard nothing about before hand ,in detail.
Or maybe a notorious criminal burnt at the stake for steeling food to feed your children. Just kidding.
But seriously, we all go through the rebirth process and yes, we all have subconscious memories. Why? Because memories are processed in the physical brain to be sent to the astral brain where they will lodge permanently. No minor details, such as your breakfast had toast or muffin, major events such as being sued or persecuted or found your lost child.
We are reborn on earth once approx. in a thousand years, the time between is spent in that other world I call "astral". Prior to come here there is preparation. You are shown people and places that will be significant in your life. After you return to the astral, there is an evaluation of performance that will determine how you proceed from there. Will you be reunited with your astral family (not the same as your earth family), will you be sent to a reform school or get a coveted job you always wanted.
I worked out the past/present and astral lives of dozens and dozens of people who have become famous on earth, so that you can establish the trend. I usually quote the subsequent lives of Jesus because he is well known to us, but I could also quote Jack the Ripper, who was not a man at all but a woman, Madam of a bowdy house. Interesting stuff, I found.
If you are alive today you are part of the entire history of life on the planet. You are that original life.
that is so true, and when we are gone, those who follow us are the same, but we do not come back,
the earth is ours for our lifetime, then we move away and make room for others who arrive, and
so on and so on.
it is so very arrogant of us humans to think that we should come back, just who do we think we are,
we are no different than all life on this planet, animals, birds, fish etc., they don't come back,
and neither do we.
just suck it up folks, live your lives well, makes the most of it, be a good person, treat your
family well, and leave this place better than it was when you arrived, other than that, you are
out of here, never to return, in any form but fertilizer. Ask your loved ones to plant a tree
over top of you, that is how you can imagine yourself growing life again.
The main goal of all life is to make more life. We have no other purpose other than ensure that it does go on.
We are just replicating DNA.
The biosphere, of which we are a part, is the living mass of the Earth. Nothing is lost and nothing is gained (on the physical plain) but on the consciousness plain, the biosphere is continually evolving with every single organism contributing its part to that growth. In a sense, we are all immortal.
The biosphere, of which we are a part, is the living mass of the Earth. Nothing is lost and nothing is gained (on the physical plain) but on the consciousness plain, the biosphere is continually evolving with every single organism contributing its part to that growth. In a sense, we are all immortal.
That's pretty much Richard Dawkin's selfish gene theory, an analysis I'm generally inclined to agree with, as far as nature's concerned we exist to make more copies of the genes that built us. Any other meaning to life we have to create for ourselves, and it can have no larger cosmic meaning beyond ourselves.
And to answer the OP, no, I don't believe in past lives, Or futures lives either, on earth or heaven or hell or anywhere else. I know of no good evidence to suggest there's anything more for us than this one life we're living now, so make the best of it you can and hope people remember you fondly when you're gone. I think that's all there is. I also think it's enough.
I really do not know what to believe. if all the dead were in "heaven ", you imagine that there is traffic of souls in these parts!? I do not mind the idea that one day I can live again, although I can not remember who I was before. we will never know until we live!
Why is it that most who believe in reincarnation always think they will come back as another person? That is not how it works. It depends on how well you lived your life. It may be many lifetimes before you become a human again or possibly not at all.
If you are in a car accident and suffer from brain damage, it permanently alters how you think and how you behave,the person you used to be ceases to exist......so why is it so hard to accept that when a brain dies, we cease to exist?
(PS - I admit that I am playing devils advocate here)
(PS - I admit that I am playing devils advocate here)
No. Because that contradicts God's word, therefore it is false.
Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment. (Hebrews 9:27)
Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment. (Hebrews 9:27)
A lot of facts contradict god's word, alley, starting right at the beginning with the order of creation. It's not a literal guide to understanding the world, it's myth and metaphor with a certain didactic purpose, but factual it's not.
It is only your opinion that the bible is god's word. The vast majority of people on Earth don't believe it is.
But since you believe it is: When the apostles asked Jesus if the man who was blind from birth because he had sinned, Jesus said that he had not sinned but had been blind so that he could be healed, which indicates that at the time, the Jews believed in reincarnation. Otherwise, how could he be blind since birth if he had not sinned in a previous life? The bible is full of contradictions like this because it was written by men.
A man in a physical body dies once (most of the time) but his soul is eternal. According to biblical thinking, the soul comes from god and returns to god. It is then judged as to where it spends the rest of eternity. But that is inaccurate, not to be taken literally because one trip through physical reality is not enough for a soul to evolve back to the godhead. It would never experience what it would be like to be a woman, or of a different race or historical time frame.
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I believe in past lives, but none of them belonged to anyone else at any time, and won't in
the future.
the future.
Only one Lord created this entire universe. He should have told the same knowledge everywhere in the world. The contradiction is only due to misunderstanding. In Hinduism also Sankara says that again human birth is almost impossible (Jantunaam Nara Janma Durlabhamidam). Sankara was the incarnation of Siva and so what He told is also authoritative. Even Gita says that the soul comes back to this world but does not say that the soul gets again the human birth (Ksheene Punye Martyalokam Visanti). In the second chapter, Gita speaks about rebirth but not about the human rebirth. Islam and Christianity say that the human birth is given only as a single chance. After this the final judgement is given. The soul either goes to the Lord or goes to the hell permanently. In Gita also there are two ways for the soul. Either the soul goes to the Lord and does not return back or the soul returns back to the world (Abrahma Bhuvanath, Yat Gatva). According to Gita, if the soul does not go to the Lord (Brahmaloka), it returns back after enjoying the fruits of incomplete spiritual effort. Therefore in this human birth, if the spiritual effort is completed, the soul goes to the Brahmaloka permanently.
If the spiritual effort is incomplete the soul may go up to any world below Brahmaloka, it will return back to this earth after enjoying the fruits of its incomplete spiritual effort. The soul may go up to the sixth world, it cannot go to the Brahmaloka, which is the seventh world by doing the remaining spiritual effort in the sixth world. The reason is once the soul leaves this earth all the upper worlds are only Bhogalokas i.e., the worlds in which the soul can enjoy the fruits, but cannot do any work (Karma). Therefore the soul has to return back to the earth. The soul will not get again another chance of human birth because once it is failed it can never succeed. Therefore the soul comes to the earth and falls into the cycle of animals and birds only. When the soul is trapped in this cycle of animal births, it is treated as a permanent hell.
If the soul goes to Brahmaloka it always accompanies the Lord either in Brahmaloka or may come back to the earth along with the Lord who takes the human incarnation. In such case the soul is born as a divine servant of the Lord. Such soul will not take rebirth in the cycle of animals. Thus for the divine soul also there is no such rebirth. In this way Hinduism, Islam and Christianity are correlated as one concept preached by the one Lord. Christians and Muslims are putting up sincere spiritual effort because there is a threat that this human life is the only chance. There is no reexamination according to these religions. This human birth is the only one examination and the soul either passes or fails and will not be allowed for any reexamination. But in Hinduism such threat is not there.
People have taken a lenient view on the spiritual life because they think that the human rebirths are possible and so they can put up the spiritual effort slowly in the future human births. The Lord cannot say different theories to different people. The rule must be same for all the human beings of the world. Therefore whatever the Lord told in Christianity and Islam also told the same in Hinduism. Hindus misunderstood the concept. Therefore what ever may be the religion, every human being should think “Now or Never”.
The human rebirth is only for Yoga Bhrashta i.e., the soul, which has reached Brahmaloka and fell due to some slip. Such a soul is suspended from Brahmaloka and comes down to the earth and takes rebirth as a human being only. You have passed the P.G. Degree and obtained the post of the lecturer. But you were suspended for a month due to some mistake. You will be re-appointed.
Similarly the Yoga Bhrashta will be born as a human being for some time and will come back to Brahmaloka. The case of incomplete spiritual effort is different from Yoga Bhrashta. The incomplete spiritual person is like a B.A. Degree holder who never achieved the lecturer post. You cannot argue that you can be appointed as a seventy five percent lecturer since you reached seventy five percent of the total educational period (from school to P.G.Degree is hundred percent) by getting a B.A. Degree.
Thus there is no partial achievement by partial spiritual effort. The grace of the Lord is either hundred percent or zero. If it is hundred percent you are reaching Brahmaloka. If it is Zero percent you are falling back to the earth in the cycle of animals and birds. There is no third way in between these two. When this truth is revealed, only one in thousands will try to put the real spiritual effort as said in Gita (Manushyaanaam Sahasreshu). By this Hindus will become alert in spiritual effort like Christians and Muslims.
If the spiritual effort is incomplete the soul may go up to any world below Brahmaloka, it will return back to this earth after enjoying the fruits of its incomplete spiritual effort. The soul may go up to the sixth world, it cannot go to the Brahmaloka, which is the seventh world by doing the remaining spiritual effort in the sixth world. The reason is once the soul leaves this earth all the upper worlds are only Bhogalokas i.e., the worlds in which the soul can enjoy the fruits, but cannot do any work (Karma). Therefore the soul has to return back to the earth. The soul will not get again another chance of human birth because once it is failed it can never succeed. Therefore the soul comes to the earth and falls into the cycle of animals and birds only. When the soul is trapped in this cycle of animal births, it is treated as a permanent hell.
If the soul goes to Brahmaloka it always accompanies the Lord either in Brahmaloka or may come back to the earth along with the Lord who takes the human incarnation. In such case the soul is born as a divine servant of the Lord. Such soul will not take rebirth in the cycle of animals. Thus for the divine soul also there is no such rebirth. In this way Hinduism, Islam and Christianity are correlated as one concept preached by the one Lord. Christians and Muslims are putting up sincere spiritual effort because there is a threat that this human life is the only chance. There is no reexamination according to these religions. This human birth is the only one examination and the soul either passes or fails and will not be allowed for any reexamination. But in Hinduism such threat is not there.
People have taken a lenient view on the spiritual life because they think that the human rebirths are possible and so they can put up the spiritual effort slowly in the future human births. The Lord cannot say different theories to different people. The rule must be same for all the human beings of the world. Therefore whatever the Lord told in Christianity and Islam also told the same in Hinduism. Hindus misunderstood the concept. Therefore what ever may be the religion, every human being should think “Now or Never”.
The human rebirth is only for Yoga Bhrashta i.e., the soul, which has reached Brahmaloka and fell due to some slip. Such a soul is suspended from Brahmaloka and comes down to the earth and takes rebirth as a human being only. You have passed the P.G. Degree and obtained the post of the lecturer. But you were suspended for a month due to some mistake. You will be re-appointed.
Similarly the Yoga Bhrashta will be born as a human being for some time and will come back to Brahmaloka. The case of incomplete spiritual effort is different from Yoga Bhrashta. The incomplete spiritual person is like a B.A. Degree holder who never achieved the lecturer post. You cannot argue that you can be appointed as a seventy five percent lecturer since you reached seventy five percent of the total educational period (from school to P.G.Degree is hundred percent) by getting a B.A. Degree.
Thus there is no partial achievement by partial spiritual effort. The grace of the Lord is either hundred percent or zero. If it is hundred percent you are reaching Brahmaloka. If it is Zero percent you are falling back to the earth in the cycle of animals and birds. There is no third way in between these two. When this truth is revealed, only one in thousands will try to put the real spiritual effort as said in Gita (Manushyaanaam Sahasreshu). By this Hindus will become alert in spiritual effort like Christians and Muslims.
Gosh, you must have a lot of time on your hands. How do you pay your bills?
One guy I know who does a lot of this kind of philosophising has a wife that works as a cleaning woman in an office building