Dion's national program brings hope

lone wolf

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Now why does Ontario have so many oil refineries when they have no oil apparently?

How does that make any sense at all and who's stupid idea was it to make Ontario the central basis of our oil production?

Actually, Ontario DOES have oil. The first producing wells in Canada were in Petrolia. That's why there are refineries and chemical industries in Sarnia. I'm not sure if they're still producing, but there is one brave well at Concord that pumps out a few barrels a day.
 

Ron in Regina

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F.Y.I. I believe Ontario produces 1% of the oil that it consumes. It's oil producing
industry must be more than one pump producing a couple of barrels per day. In a
perfect world (not perfect, but just..) Ontario would discover significant oil sands
deposits somewhere inside its own borders, and become a net exporter of oil on
top of just refining it. Wouldn't that make this discussion board interesting again?
 

Tonington

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http://www.web2.mnr.gov.on.ca/MNR/ogsr/resources2.htm

Red is gas pools, blue is gas storage pools, and green is oil pools.
 

scratch

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http://www.web2.mnr.gov.on.ca/MNR/ogsr/resources2.htm

Red is gas pools, blue is gas storage pools, and green is oil pools.

If you have lived in Ontario any length of time especially In SWO you know there is gas and oil and not in small quantities.
The marsh land much like that of Louisiana contains unimagined amounts of fossil fuel. But as usual Ontario does nothing to promote its production and perhaps it's because "food" fuels are the rage now, so why invest tax money on a natural resource that cannot pay for itself or provide a profit.
Just another of our untapped natural resources that goes untouched.
Too bad for us.
 

Ron in Regina

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Is anyone able to find any reference anywhere with respect to just what
percentage of the money collected by this "Green Shift" (if it ever comes into
existence) will be utilized to administer this thing??? I've looked and just can't

find this answer.

I'm also trying to find a list as to who these "700 worst polluters" are that
are mentioned with respect to this "Green Shift" wealth distribution plan. Has
anyone been able to find the answer to either of these questions???
 

Dixie Cup

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BC is a PORT PROVENCE, ALBERTA IS LOCATED DEEP IN THE MOUNTAINS, THERE WILL BE A TIME SOON COMING UP THAT ALBERTA WILL BE SUBJECTED TO HIGH COST IN USING OUR PORTS. THEN YOU’LL WISH YOU WERE A BETTER FRIEND WITH YOUR LIMITED ENERGY my friend!!!!!


Guess who invested in at least one of the BC Ports. You got it....Alberta!! FYI
 

Ron in Regina

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Quoting Mr. Dion in Saskatoon on the weekend, "What is a Car Pool?"

Benefit of the doubt, maybe it was a language barrier thing and he'd just
never heard the term in English before. Still pretty funny from someone
who is suppose to be our environmental savior.
 

einmensch

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Merkel of Germany and Harper are both Bush appendages. No it doesn't matter, Bush farts and and both are there to follow the sweet scent.
Juan said it best. Dion is a little less inclined but will bend.
 

Risus

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Quoting Mr. Dion in Saskatoon on the weekend, "What is a Car Pool?"

Benefit of the doubt, maybe it was a language barrier thing and he'd just
never heard the term in English before. Still pretty funny from someone
who is suppose to be our environmental savior.
LOL, what an idiot...
 

Ron in Regina

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Is anyone able to find any reference anywhere with respect to just what
percentage of the money collected by this "Green Shift" (if it ever comes into
existence) will be utilized to administer this thing??? I've looked and just can't
find this answer.

I'm also trying to find a list as to who these "700 worst polluters" are that
are mentioned with respect to this "Green Shift" wealth distribution plan. Has
anyone been able to find the answer to either of these questions???

I've been asking these same two questions, on several threads, from the announcement of the
Green Shift wealth distribution scheme, I've been asking these same two questions, and not
a single person has come up with an answer. Thankfully now it's going to become a non-issue.
 

scratch

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I've been asking these same two questions, on several threads, from the announcement of the
Green Shift wealth distribution scheme, I've been asking these same two questions, and not
a single person has come up with an answer. Thankfully now it's going to become a non-issue.

Actually, IMPHO, after our debate last night it is an issue more than ever!
 

Ron in Regina

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I've been asking these same two questions, on several threads, from the announcement of the
Green Shift wealth distribution scheme, I've been asking these same two questions, and not
a single person has come up with an answer. Thankfully now it's going to become a non-issue.

....and it's done and gone as a non-issue. We'll not have to experience what this taxation experiment
in wealth transfer would have done to the political landscape by splitting Canada east and west in a
way that might have resulted in civil war and/or two separate countries. Going forward...
 

scratch

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....and it's done and gone as a non-issue. We'll not have to experience what this taxation experiment
in wealth transfer would have done to the political landscape by splitting Canada east and west in a
way that might have resulted in civil war and/or two separate countries. Going forward...

Then why Ron, is it such an issue in Europe?
 

Ron in Regina

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Still, to this day, I honestly don't think this "Green Shift" had anything to do with the
environment beyond using it as an excuse for it's existence. If it really had something
to do with the environment, it would have had targets, and much more information
available about this thing. I wouldn't have been able to post two very simple and
basic questions six months ago that nobody could step forward with an answer to
if this thing was really about the environment.

The Liberal Party knew that they would have little to no support in Saskatchewan
and Alberta anyway, so by painting them as villains, and convincing Ontario and
Quebec that Stephane Dion was the next coming of Robin Hood was simply a way
to gain votes in one part of Canada at the expense of a different part of Canada
that was a voting write-off for the Liberals anyway. That's the "Green Shift."

The environment is a big issue in Europe. The "Green Shift" wasn't about the environment.
It was a brilliant idea (for what it was intended to do) but it was explained very poorly due
to the fact that, if it really was ever explained thoroughly, it would have be transparent for
what it actually was. It was a divide and conquer strategy that backfired due to the average
person having at least basic math skills.
 

scratch

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Still, to this day, I honestly don't think this "Green Shift" had anything to do with the
environment beyond using it as an excuse for it's existence. If it really had something
to do with the environment, it would have had targets, and much more information
available about this thing. I wouldn't have been able to post two very simple and
basic questions six months ago that nobody could step forward with an answer to
if this thing was really about the environment.

The Liberal Party knew that they would have little to no support in Saskatchewan
and Alberta anyway, so by painting them as villains, and convincing Ontario and
Quebec that Stephane Dion was the next coming of Robin Hood was simply a way
to gain votes in one part of Canada at the expense of a different part of Canada
that was a voting write-off for the Liberals anyway. That's the "Green Shift."

The environment is a big issue in Europe. The "Green Shift" wasn't about the environment.
It was a brilliant idea (for what it was intended to do) but it was explained very poorly due
to the fact that, if it really was ever explained thoroughly, it would have be transparent for
what it actually was. It was a divide and conquer strategy that backfired due to the average
person having at least basic math skills.

Ron,

I think there is a humongous environmental issue here and nothing seems to work to awaken the the world to it. I do not understand.

Do you?

scratch

 

Ron in Regina

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Ron,

I think there is a humongous environmental issue here and nothing seems to work to awaken the the world to it. I do not understand.

Do you?

scratch

Yes, I agree with you that something is happening, and whether or not this is a part of a natural
cycle, or completely manmade, or more likely a combination or these to things, it's more than
past time to start erroring on the side of caution with a real plan that is actually focused on the
environment. The Green Shift just wasn't it, as it's goal was vote purchasing and not environmental
change. Something Canada can implement would be focused on regions by province and would
be similar in concept to the green shift in theory BUT the money collected in Ontario would stay
in Ontario and be directed (beyond what would be needed to administer the thing) to real and
actual change or pure research towards change. Leave the social engineering experiment alone.
Money collected in Alberta stays in Alberta for the same reason....same with every other province.

Competition is always a good thing. Competitions being held between provinces as to who can do
the most in the shortest amount of time. National advertising directed towards inducing pride in
these provincial competitions....just like the NHL or CFL except that each person can do their part
to contribute and eventually same themselves $$$ and help to error on the side of caution with
respect to environmental change. Sharing in idea's interprovincially giving credit like a handicap in
golf in the competitions. Sale of ideas and research results (technology, etc...) outside of Canada
for cold hard cash.

The rub is that countries that where behind in technology while the western world was racing along
financially while leaving a monstrous pile of garbage (on,in,& above the ground) in its wake. I'm
thinking of China, India, etc...will tell us to blow it out our backsides unless it's financially advantageous
for them to utilize the ideas and technology we develop. That's where the real genius would come into
play and where I pass the ball back to you Scratch. We need to develop technologies that not only help
to reduce our garbage, but by utilizing these idea's a country saves money and becomes more efficient.

Now it's your turn Scratch to take this idea and either build on it or rip it to shreds, and with the pieces
we'll see where that leads. I'm sure there's some really bright guys out there like yourself or Dexter Sinister
or Tonington who can come up with a much better (or well thought up) idea than I've just done.