Desmond Tutu: Bush/Blair Should Face Trial

[Goober]

First let me be clear I had my suspicions of that administration from the inauguration. Bush-multiple oil industry endeavors (most failed), Cheney- Senior exec @ Haliburton, Rice - CFO @ Shell etc, etc. Most of the staff was from the oil biz so I was not surprised when their foreign policy was thinly veiled around securing oil supply and profits

I was against going into Afghanistan. I thought that 9/11 might be a catalyst, a wake-up call of sorts that US foreign policy in the region was flawed and not working but the MSM instead sold it as an 'unprovoked' attack and made it inflamatory to rile the population into supporting an illegal invasion of a foreign sovereign nation.I also knew at the time the Taliban was opposed to the pipeline through Afghanistan from the Caspian/Black sea oil fields. Removing them and replacing them with a puppet would allow the pipeline to go through and increase US oil supplies.

I doubted the info on Iraq at the time as inspectors were saying Saddam had nothing. They were on the ground in Iraq but there opinion was not considered in favor of a few blurry satellite photos. I had by that time realized Bush was a war monger and needed little excuse to go in. Iraq was far too oil-rich to be left alone. One dead give-away of the truth was that every contract for rebuilding the oil fields and ensuring flow to the US was given to Haliburton, Shell or another company with close ties to the white house.

I had a feeling when Bush stole the presidency that there was a plan to enlarge US control over the ME region and secure the oil supply for themselves. Add in that the US intelligence warned Bush in August/01 of an attack on buildings with civilian aircraft and that warning was ignored.

I along with many got sucked in on Iraq- they should have taken Kurdistan- which at one point early in the War they did- and sat back and bombed the shxt out of Saddam- then split Iraq in 3 - Kurd- Sunni and Shia- and split the oil revenue- Would have had a seat right on Iran.

Afghanistan I agree with- the military commander on the ground had OBL in Tora Bora- Asked for more troops- Rumsfeld turned it down- Left that opening guarded by Afghan so called troops.

After he escaped they should have packed up and left. Staying was the mistake.

Same with Iraq- 3 separate parts of a federation-and stayed well away from the Sunni - Shia blood bath that was to follow.

Most ME countries are made up of one sect that hates the other- and I mean the killing time hate.

 

[darkbeaver]

Hanging B+B would be just but it leaves the ugly pricks who cultivated the psycopathic little scabs untouched. In any case worse than Bush Blair are already at work for the international ha community. We have to get way into the back of the caves to scratch out the real dung.

I along with many got sucked in on Iraq- they should have taken Kurdistan- which at one point early in the War they did- and sat back and bombed the shxt out of Saddam- then split Iraq in 3 - Kurd- Sunni and Shia- and split the oil revenue- Would have had a seat right on Iran.

Afghanistan I agree with- the military commander on the ground had OBL in Tora Bora- Asked for more troops- Rumsfeld turned it down- Left that opening guarded by Afghan so called troops.

After he escaped they should have packed up and left. Staying was the mistake.

Same with Iraq- 3 separate parts of a federation-and stayed well away from the Sunni - Shia blood bath that was to follow.

Most ME countries are made up of one sect that hates the other- and I mean the killing time hate.

Israels in the ME ain,t it?

 

[tay]

Valerie Plame: New evidence shows how the traitor Cheney outed the CIA agent in order to punish her husband for criticizing Iraq war lies



He mentioned in particular Cheney's discussion of his conversation with then-CIA Director George J. Tenet about "the decision to send Ambassador Joseph Wilson on a fact-finding mission to Niger in 2002." Wilson is the former CIA operative's husband, and a report he filed after the trip cast doubt on claims that Iraq had purchased uranium from Niger for a nuclear weapons program. President George W. Bush cited those claims as part of the justification for the Iraq war.


Court Filing Shows Evidence Cheney Swayed White House Response to CIA Leak

 

[Highball]

I hope it does happen but never forget the rest of that crew. Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Attorney General at the time whose legal answers still are being questioned by many legal scholars. They all need to be taken in front of the World Court at the Hague and tried for "Crimes against Humanity."

 

[Goober]

Valerie Plame: New evidence shows how the traitor Cheney outed the CIA agent in order to punish her husband for criticizing Iraq war lies



He mentioned in particular Cheney's discussion of his conversation with then-CIA Director George J. Tenet about "the decision to send Ambassador Joseph Wilson on a fact-finding mission to Niger in 2002." Wilson is the former CIA operative's husband, and a report he filed after the trip cast doubt on claims that Iraq had purchased uranium from Niger for a nuclear weapons program. President George W. Bush cited those claims as part of the justification for the Iraq war.


Court Filing Shows Evidence Cheney Swayed White House Response to CIA Leak

I will ask you what I asked Political Nick.

When all that info was coming out prior to the Iraq war- what was your position.

Also throw in Afghanistan as well.

 

[darkbeaver]

I hope it does happen but never forget the rest of that crew. Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Attorney General at the time whose legal answers still are being questioned by many legal scholars. They all need to be taken in front of the World Court at the Hague and tried for "Crimes against Humanity."

Do you suppose that world hemp production might have to be tripled?

 

[EagleSmack]

Not me. I'm just expressing my druthers............Call Tutu. - or Toto, if you happen to be in Kansas............Both of the dickheads (B&B) caused many of your countrymen to be slaughtered for...............OIL(freedom)OIL - money - greed - etc.. And, of course, the non existant weapons of mass destruction.


8O

War for oil... another dog that won't hunt.

.I also knew at the time the Taliban was opposed to the pipeline through Afghanistan from the Caspian/Black sea oil fields. Removing them and replacing them with a puppet would allow the pipeline to go through and increase US oil supplies.

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How's that pipe line coming? Do they have it built yet?

Another myth.

C'mon, Eagle will tell you all about how the media has blown it all out of proportion and that Bush & Blair were right and both invasions completely justified in the name of national security and protection from terrorism (code for oil and power). He will tell you every dead human in these wars is completely worth it. He will tell you how all the dead Americans are heroes and all the dead civilians were really terrorists.

Please back that up.

Funny thing is the US has bankrupted itself and killed 10's of thousands of it's own soldiers in revenge for 3000 deaths. Far more than 3000 are killed by drunk drivers every year.

Make it a million dead US soldiers... you're on a roll!

Hardly seems logical but who can fathom the mentality of a war mongering country like the US and it's leadership.

Whatever you say...

Hey who's the guy with that Yank Admiral? What's that award for? It couldn't be for killing 10s of thousands of women in children in Libya now could it?

 

[PoliticalNick]

War for oil... another dog that won't hunt.

You're just as f*cking deluded as Bear. Why is it that the rest of the planet's population knows it was all for oil and yet morons like you keep believing whatever the war-hawks in the Bush admin put out there. Do all the other lies they told not make you think they lied about the reasons? Ooops, forgot you had that lobotomy at the academy.

Make it a million dead US soldiers... you're on a roll!

You mean a million dead innocent civilians! or more!

Hey who's the guy with that Yank Admiral? What's that award for? It couldn't be for killing 10s of thousands of women in children in Libya now could it?

Now we have the wannabe-american Steve Harpo in power you can ask for help invading anywhere and he will help. He's so far up the US's a$$ he would probably agree to help invade Canada.

 

[Nuggler]

It's wonderful that you American haters are able to say all of this because you wouldn't be able to in the countries that you love so much.

Don't include me in your "American Haters"

They, like us, have been egregiously lied to and mislead.

 

[earth_as_one]

Hans Blix's March 7, 2003 Report to the UNSC was the trigger for the March 2003 Iraq war crime:

...Let me conclude by telling you that UNMOVIC is currently drafting the work programme, which resolution 1284 (1999) requires us to submit this month. It will obviously contain our proposed list of key remaining disarmament tasks; it will describe the reinforced system of ongoing monitoring and verification that the Council has asked us to implement; it will also describe the various subsystems which constitute the programme, e.g. for aerial surveillance, for information from governments and suppliers, for sampling, for the checking of road traffic, etc.
How much time would it take to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks? While cooperation can and is to be immediate, disarmament and at any rate the verification of it cannot be instant. Even with a proactive Iraqi attitude, induced by continued outside pressure, it would still take some time to verify sites and items, analyse documents, interview relevant persons, and draw conclusions. It would not take years, nor weeks, but months. Neither governments nor inspectors would want disarmament inspection to go on forever. However, it must be remembered that in accordance with the governing resolutions, a sustained inspection and monitoring system is to remain in place after verified disarmament to give confidence and to strike an alarm, if signs were seen of the revival of any proscribed weapons programmes.
Security Council 7 March 2003

The Bush regime war criminals knew UNMOVIC was about to expose their lies, so they declared war before a majority of American people figured it out. some people here still haven't figured out they were lied into supporting a war crime.

For the record, I don't hate Americans. I oppose American war criminals and agree with Desmond Tutu that Bush and Blair should be held accountable for starting an illegal war which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians:

(UN)Secretary-General Kofi Annan believes that the Iraq war in 2003 demonstrated the need for the international community to address the issue of preventive action in the context of Charter principles and showed the importance of joint efforts on matters of use of force, a United Nations spokesman said today.

Responding to media questions about the Secretary-General's comments in a BBC interview, spokesman Fred Eckhard told a press briefing in New York that in his remarks the Secretary-General had reiterated his well-known position that the military action against Iraq was not in conformity with the UN Charter.

In the interview, Mr. Annan was repeatedly asked whether the war was "illegal." "Yes," he finally said, "I have indicated it is not in conformity with the UN Charter, from our point of view, and from the Charter point of view it was illegal."...
Lessons of Iraq war underscore importance of UN Charter - Annan

Casualties of the conflict in Iraq since 2003 (beginning with the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and continuing with the ensuing occupation of Iraq coalition presence, as well as the activities of the various armed groups operating in the country) have come in many forms, and the accuracy of the information available on different types of Iraq War casualties varies greatly.

The table below summarizes various estimates of the Iraqi casualty figures.

Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths March 2003 to June 2006

Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths March 2003 to June 2006

Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 deaths as a result of the conflict March 2003 to August 2007

Associated Press 110,600 deaths March 2003 to April 2009

Iraq Body Count project 105,052–114,731 civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. Over 162,000 civilian and combatant deaths[1][2] March 2003 to January 2012

WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs[1][3][4][5] 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian deaths.[6][7] January 2004 to December 2009

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

 

[B00Mer]

Would this be the same Communist-spouting defrocked Bishop Desmond Tutu?

No way is any administration going to turn a previous president over to some international tribunal (bad precedent, too many opportunities for future opponents to play politics). Tutu is just serving up some red meat to his lefty fans and sycophants and grabbing headlines.

 

[JLM]

The then-leaders of the U.S. and U.K. fabricated the grounds to behave like playground bullies and drive us further apart. They have driven us to the edge of a precipice where we now stand — with the specter of Syria and Iran before us,” said Tutu, who last week withdrew from a conference in South Africa due to Blair’s presence at the event.

While the International Criminal Court can handle cases of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity, it does not currently have the jurisdiction to prosecute crimes of aggression. Any potential prosecution over the Iraq war would likely come under the aggression category.



Desmond Tutu says Bush and Blair should face trial at International Criminal Court over Iraq - The Washington Post

Did he mention who should spring the bucks for this?

 

[earth_as_one]

This report was the trigger for the March 2003 Iraq war crime.
Let me conclude by telling you that UNMOVIC is currently drafting the work programme, which resolution 1284 (1999) requires us to submit this month. It will obviously contain our proposed list of key remaining disarmament tasks; it will describe the reinforced system of ongoing monitoring and verification that the Council has asked us to implement; it will also describe the various subsystems which constitute the programme, e.g. for aerial surveillance, for information from governments and suppliers, for sampling, for the checking of road traffic, etc.

How much time would it take to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks? While cooperation can and is to be immediate, disarmament and at any rate the verification of it cannot be instant. Even with a proactive Iraqi attitude, induced by continued outside pressure, it would still take some time to verify sites and items, analyse documents, interview relevant persons, and draw conclusions. It would not take years, nor weeks, but months. Neither governments nor inspectors would want disarmament inspection to go on forever. However, it must be remembered that in accordance with the governing resolutions, a sustained inspection and monitoring system is to remain in place after verified disarmament to give confidence and to strike an alarm, if signs were seen of the revival of any proscribed weapons programmes.
Security Council 7 March 2003

The Bush war criminals knew UNMOVIC was about to expose their lies, so they declared war before a majority of American people figured it out.

For the record, I don't hate Americans. I oppose American war criminals and agree with Desmond Tutu that Bush and Blair should be held accountable for starting an illegal war which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians:

(UN)Secretary-General Kofi Annan believes that the Iraq war in 2003 demonstrated the need for the international community to address the issue of preventive action in the context of Charter principles and showed the importance of joint efforts on matters of use of force, a United Nations spokesman said today.

Responding to media questions about the Secretary-General's comments in a BBC interview, spokesman Fred Eckhard told a press briefing in New York that in his remarks the Secretary-General had reiterated his well-known position that the military action against Iraq was not in conformity with the UN Charter.

In the interview, Mr. Annan was repeatedly asked whether the war was "illegal." "Yes," he finally said, "I have indicated it is not in conformity with the UN Charter, from our point of view, and from the Charter point of view it was illegal."...
Lessons of Iraq war underscore importance of UN Charter - Annan

Casualties of the conflict in Iraq since 2003 (beginning with the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and continuing with the ensuing occupation of Iraq coalition presence, as well as the activities of the various armed groups operating in the country) have come in many forms, and the accuracy of the information available on different types of Iraq War casualties varies greatly.
The table below summarizes various estimates of the Iraqi casualty figures.

Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths March 2003 to June 2006

Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths March 2003 to June 2006

Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 deaths as a result of the conflict March 2003 to August 2007

Associated Press 110,600 deaths March 2003 to April 2009

Iraq Body Count project 105,052–114,731 civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. Over 162,000 civilian and combatant deaths[1][2] March 2003 to January 2012

WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs[1][3][4][5] 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian deaths.[6][7] January 2004 to December 2009

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

If you supported this war or the war criminals, you should have the guts to take a look at the results:
WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF BUSH/BLAIR ILLEGAL WAR:
Iraq War Casualty Pictures

 

[gopher]

This whole thing was such a mess. I can't believe the CIA took the information on
Iraq seriously. The actual memo floated at the time showing Iraq was purchasing
materials needed was under the signature of a man who had not been in that
position for over a decade as I recall. They are either really dumb or they thought
no one would notice.
Desmond Tutu, is engaging in rhetoric he knows it will never happen and whether it
should or not is immaterial. Just the mention of such an action, will bring both sides
out to play, which puts it back into the worlds international discussion forum.
Yes the Iraq war was by international standards illegal, an independent state was
aggressively attacked. Oh they mounted a coalition to make it look legitimate and who
were the players? States in the Middle East that hated Saddam and they wanted a
share of his power base in the region.
The Afghan conflict is a little different. This nation allowed the Taliban to use the
country as a base for terrorism and that left them open to a response. The problem
I have is with the leader or front man they chose to take over the current President
is a flim flam man at best, short of calling him an outright crook. The regime is more
corrupt than the crazies they replaced.
Its funny the German High Command, and the Japanese officials were put on trial
after WWII by an international court at times presided over by American justice officials
yet America refuses to recognize international courts. I think these two should face
some kind of condemnation but it won't happen

If you read the Downing Street Memo you would realize that it was all a lie from Day One and nobody in the CIA actually believed it. Bush for looking for a war and the so called failed intelligence is just a fabrication.

 

[B00Mer]

Desmond Tutu the talking head for the UN, so nobody important..

 

[PoliticalNick]

Did he mention who should spring the bucks for this?

I would gladly throw in about $10,000 to see some justice for all the unnecessary dead soldiers & civilians.

 

[JLM]

I would gladly throw in about $10,000 to see some justice for all the unnecessary dead soldiers & civilians.

Yeah, but the worst perpetrators are already dead!

 

[earth_as_one]

Who would that be? Bush and Blair are still alive. So are Cheney, Rumsfeld and the many other architects of the 2003 US led war crimes in Iraq who are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis.

 

[EagleSmack]

You're just as f*cking deluded as Bear. Why is it that the rest of the planet's population knows it was all for oil and yet morons like you keep believing whatever the war-hawks in the Bush admin put out there. Do all the other lies they told not make you think they lied about the reasons? Ooops, forgot you had that lobotomy at the academy.

Oh... what academy did I attend?

I see your imagination is on overdrive. Was I a General in your fantasy world?

You mean a million dead innocent civilians! or more!

Oh make it a billion dead civillians! How about a trillion?

I had a feeling when Bush stole the presidency....

LOL. Who's deluded?

 

[MapleDog]

The first time and the whole world noticed it,GWB "stole" the election with the help of his bro,then governor of florida,when apparently the victory was going to AG,then poof all the "dangling chad" thing,and the box that apparently disapeared.

The second time the recording was all about connecting Iraq with 9/11,and the WMDs that were never found,when as i've said in another thread,it was clear that the friendly nation known as Saudi Arabia,is most likely connected to it,who had most to gain by this?

PS all war now are mostly to take oil or whatever natural resources X nation has,the peole of these nations are "i guess" worthless in the minds of the worlds leaders.