Contempt for conservatives

[Unforgiven]

Boy o boy you can tell by the moaning that this ship is taking on water. "Conflict Of Parliament" A new Canadian political disgrace! Hiding what Parliament has a right to see, changing signed documents then lying about it in the House. From Mulroney taking kick backs to the PMO caught up in lobbying scandals to sneaky in and out campaign financing. What a group of "Con" men.

When you're mortgaged to the hilt and owing more than you're making each month, it's simply not the time to be spending money on the new RV and Boat to tow along behind it. And so it is with these jets we can afford and don't need.

We aren't a world power. We don't have the capacity to fight a war with another country. We have four planes attacking Libya. The rest of our military is stuck in the mud in Afghanistan. Tired and over worked they need to be brought home, reorganized and retrained for defense of our country, not attacking some sovereign country with an internal conflict. That we need to butt the hell out of right away. It nothing more than a distraction from the scandals and pending election call. The only one's fooled are those blind followers of the neocon agenda who refuse to see that the problems that are being cause right now will affect them just as much as everyone else.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

You shouldn't be so hard on your self retarded can soldier,no doubt your one of the sheeple that thinks harper saved the economy,he SAYS they did big guns,but what did they actually do ?

Nothing makes an argument more effective than when you drag out Hitler comparisons or ignore something as basic as remembering to proof a post before pushing the submit button. I'm not taking about the odd missing word or question mark, we all do that, but rebutting your post is like arguing with a drunk, or an imbecile who has a fetish for caps and can't be bothered to hit the space bar between a comma and word.

I find fault with all politicians, and I don't support the conservatives unequivocally. Unlike you, I understand that there is no other party that is able to take over at the moment. In case you haven't noticed the Liberal Party is in the doldrums Though there are [sheeple] who are wishing otherwise; however, common sense dictates the obvious.

In closing, I offer you this advice: If you act like a moron, someone is going to point it out. There are a few extremely stupid people on this board, and no doubt they will respond to this post with the same ineffective tooth gnashing as you, but for now you deserve congratulations, because you're still leading the pack.

dink

I would hardly call the CF-18s a fourth generation fighter. Canada's F-18s have been upgraded to a point where they are very close to the Super Hornets the Americans are flying.

I'm not an engineer, but my brother is and he wrote an interesting article some years back about the breakdown of aircraft parts over time. He is retired air force and works with carbon fiber, fabrication, and such and though there may have been mechanical upgrades to the F18's the bodies and airframes are still getting old.

They have been refitting quite a bit, but composites eventually fracture and fail. That along with the fact that the design is outdated and like a classic car they become tougher and tougher to acquire parts for. The Liberals have always tried to do things on the cheap with our military and while some might say that we have no business in Afghanistan we still have numerous UN commitments and a need to keep our forces up to date.

After the purchase of these new jets I am willing to bet that they will be in service as long as our previous fighter craft, if not longer.

 

[#juan]

Nothing makes an argument more effective than when you drag out Hitler comparisons or ignore something as basic as remembering to proof a post before pushing the submit button. I'm not taking about the odd missing word or question mark, we all do that, but rebutting your post is like arguing with a drunk, or an imbecile who has a fetish for caps and can't be bothered to hit the space bar between a comma and word.

I find fault with all politicians, and I don't support the conservatives unequivocally. Unlike you, I understand that there is no other party that is able to take over at the moment. In case you haven't noticed the Liberal Party is in the doldrums Though there are [sheeple] who are wishing otherwise; however, common sense dictates the obvious.

In closing, I offer you this advice: If you act like a moron, someone is going to point it out. There are a few extremely stupid people on this board, and no doubt they will respond to this post with the same ineffective tooth gnashing as you, but for now you deserve congratulations, because you're still leading the pack.

dink



I'm not an engineer, but my brother is and he wrote an interesting article some years back about the breakdown of aircraft parts over time. He is retired air force and works with carbon fiber, fabrication, and such and though there may have been mechanical upgrades to the F18's the bodies and airframes are still getting old.

They have been refitting quite a bit, but composites eventually fracture and fail. That along with the fact that the design is outdated and like a classic car they become tougher and tougher to acquire parts for. The Liberals have always tried to do things on the cheap with our military and while some might say that we have no business in Afghanistan we still have numerous UN commitments and a need to keep our forces up to date.

After the purchase of these new jets I am willing to bet that they will be in service as long as our previous fighter craft, if not longer.

Fortunately, composites are used only on control components like ailerons and rudders etc., and nose cones that are not critical
in that problems, cracking and the like should be caught by maintenance people before any out and out failure.

 

[Colpy]

Also, we still don't need an intervention in Libya. So it's still wasted money.

Bingo, rack up the debt for things we don't need.

Not that this makes you either right or wrong.....but you have little support for that stand in the country.

I just saw on the CBC that the House voted last night to support the mission.....unanimously!!!!!

Even the BQ is on board....wow.

 

[TenPenny]

Not that this makes you either right or wrong.....but you have little support for that stand in the country.

I just saw on the CBC that the House voted last night to support the mission.....unanimously!!!!!

Even the BQ is on board....wow.

I don't understand why we unanimously agreed to wade into a revolt in a foreign country, one that is guaranteed to turn into a complete and total mess.

Canadians in general seem to be quite happy to critcize the US for interfering in other countries, yet, here we go happily...

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I don't understand why we unanimously agreed to wade into a revolt in a foreign country, one that is guaranteed to turn into a complete and total mess.

Canadians in general seem to be quite happy to critcize the US for interfering in other countries, yet, here we go happily...

We are wading into protecting people from being murdered by their government, although [thanks to the UN] we are coming very late to this party. A few weeks ago I saw a lot of folks from the left part of this board, which is the bulk of the population, cheering on the uprising in this region to oust these dictators.

Now, we are stepping in to stop the "said dictator" from massacring his own people and suddenly we are painted as wrong again?

Damned if you do. Damned if you don't?

 

[mentalfloss]

Not that this makes you either right or wrong.....but you have little support for that stand in the country.

Oh for sure. There's a few forums I've been to and they're all definitely on board with the No-Fly zone. To some degree, it's not a bad idea - it at least seems like they're trying little steps instead of declaring an all out war.

 

[EagleSmack]

Oh for sure. There's a few forums I've been to and they're all definitely on board with the No-Fly zone. To some degree, it's not a bad idea - it at least seems like they're trying little steps instead of declaring an all out war.

Calling it a No Fly Zone is sort of silly at this point. They are bombing Gadaffis forces on the ground. The last time I checked tanks and armored columns can't fly.

 

[TenPenny]

Calling it a No Fly Zone is sort of silly at this point. They are bombing Gadaffis forces on the ground. The last time I checked tanks and armored columns can't fly.

Well, exactly. We have now entered into this revolution in a major way, and it will get ugly. Personally, I don't think that we should be involved, as I said before, it would be better to leave it up to the Arab League to take charge. The West is always being blamed for intervening in other countries' internal conflicts, so why we were so ready to jump into this particular bucket of ****, I don't know. Trying to set a record for how many different conflicts we're fighting at once?

 

[mentalfloss]

Calling it a No Fly Zone is sort of silly at this point. They are bombing Gadaffis forces on the ground. The last time I checked tanks and armored columns can't fly.

 

[JLM]

Well, exactly. We have now entered into this revolution in a major way, and it will get ugly. Personally, I don't think that we should be involved, as I said before, it would be better to leave it up to the Arab League to take charge. The West is always being blamed for intervening in other countries' internal conflicts, so why we were so ready to jump into this particular bucket of ****, I don't know. Trying to set a record for how many different conflicts we're fighting at once?

If children are being abused in a house in your neighbourhood, do you turn a blind eye?

 

[petros]

I would hardly call the CF-18s a fourth generation fighter. Canada's F-18s have been upgraded to a point where they are very close to the Super Hornets the Americans are flying.

Super hornets are a different airframe all together.

With the new jets we have both stealth with light ordinance to take out radar or AA and the CF18's to follow after and drop some heavys from a safe air space and we have a **** load of drones to handle any ground problems.

We won't need to do joint strikes anymore. We can fly our own missions now.

Calling it a No Fly Zone is sort of silly at this point. They are bombing Gadaffis forces on the ground. The last time I checked tanks and armored columns can't fly.

There will be boots on the ground too in no time at all.

If children are being abused in a house in your neighbourhood, do you turn a blind eye?

Yes. We do it all the time.

Well, exactly. We have now entered into this revolution in a major way, and it will get ugly.

Revolution? We are at war with 3 countries now (4 for Americans). Where do we hit next to keep the ball rolling? The people in Bahrain could sure use our help.

 

[TenPenny]

If children are being abused in a house in your neighbourhood, do you turn a blind eye?

Okay, let's go with your plan. Why have we not invaded North Korea yet? I can only assume that you are in favour of an armed intervention there.

 

[Unforgiven]

We are wading into protecting people from being murdered by their government, although [thanks to the UN] we are coming very late to this party. A few weeks ago I saw a lot of folks from the left part of this board, which is the bulk of the population, cheering on the uprising in this region to oust these dictators.

Now, we are stepping in to stop the "said dictator" from massacring his own people and suddenly we are painted as wrong again?

Damned if you do. Damned if you don't?

Not at all mate. It's a good thing that people choose to live under a democratic government, but it's their freedom they have to fight for if it's worth it to them. Our problem is thinking we're so special we can just give it to them and they will graciously thank us and it's bff. That is never the case and we should stop allowing our government to get us involved this way.

It's simple, if it's an internal conflict, we can impose sanctions via the UN. If it's an external conflict, then we can step in if asked to, and stop one country from attacking another via NATO.

Not a difficult formula but the best one without question. Remember it was Bushco who wanted to be the police man of the world. Not Canada.

 

[JLM]

Okay, let's go with your plan. Why have we not invaded North Korea yet? I can only assume that you are in favour of an armed intervention there.

I've never been particularly big on jumping into "armed interventions".............but once in a blue moon there comes a time when it's foolish to hesitate (like when Iraq bombed Kuwait) Is N. Korea in the same situation as Libya?

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Not at all mate. It's a good thing that people choose to live under a democratic government, but it's their freedom they have to fight for if it's worth it to them. Our problem is thinking we're so special we can just give it to them and they will graciously thank us and it's bff. That is never the case and we should stop allowing our government to get us involved this way.

It's simple, if it's an internal conflict, we can impose sanctions via the UN. If it's an external conflict, then we can step in if asked to, and stop one country from attacking another via NATO.

Not a difficult formula but the best one without question. Remember it was Bushco who wanted to be the police man of the world. Not Canada.

Our mandate under the UN shifted under the leadership of Jean Chretien and the US President at the time was Bill Clinton. Prior to this UN soldiers observed and reported. (with the exception of the Korean war) It was Clinton who took sides in the armed conflict in Mogadishu and it was also Clinton who shifted the UN mission in Bosnia by vilifying the Serbs while ignoring equal atrocities committed by all factions. You can blame Iraq on Bush, but the change in UN policy started before he was even nominated as a Republican candidate.

If we are going to live in a global community we have a obligation to look out for our neighbors. If that means keeping a tyrant's command and control in disarray while the resistance regroups I think it is a worthwhile endeavor. My humble opinion.

 

[TenPenny]

I've never been particularly big on jumping into "armed interventions".............but once in a blue moon there comes a time when it's foolish to hesitate (like when Iraq bombed Kuwait) Is N. Korea in the same situation as Libya?

Are you trying to suggest that the average NKorean citizen has better living conditions than the average Libyan, and therefore we shouldn't intervene?

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Are you trying to suggest that the average NKorean citizen has better living conditions than the average Libyan, and therefore we shouldn't intervene?

I think Korea should be on the list as well.

 

[Avro]

Not that this makes you either right or wrong.....but you have little support for that stand in the country.

I just saw on the CBC that the House voted last night to support the mission.....unanimously!!!!!

Even the BQ is on board....wow.

Yeah, a house full of liberal interventionalists and polititians.

Now I know I'm right.

If children are being abused in a house in your neighbourhood, do you turn a blind eye?

Of course not, they are Canadians.

I have no problem lending a hand to the children of Canada and up holding Canadian laws within the borders of Canada.

Beyond that.....nope.

 

[JLM]

Are you trying to suggest that the average NKorean citizen has better living conditions than the average Libyan, and therefore we shouldn't intervene?

I don't recall making any assertion re N. Korea vs. Libya.