Consevative Party leadership contest

tay

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Oh goodie. Libs are already scared...by one of the nicest persons around.
I haven't seen any indication that the Libs are scared but they should pay attention to the Dairy Farmers during the next round of Free Trade giveaways with Trump.....


Stephen Harper’s Conservatives lived and eventually died on the battlefield of boutique policies tailored to specific segments of the electorate. Those same dynamics ultimately determined the outcome of the former prime minister’s succession on Saturday.

In the end, two unrelated but identifiable groups tipped the balance in Scheer’s favour: the party’s social conservative wing and a well-organized dairy farmers’ lobby.

The religious right had not one but two standard-bearers in the leadership line-up and both Pierre Lemieux and Brad Trost, despite not having served in any of Harper’s cabinet, finished ahead of five former Conservative ministers. Together they won 15 per cent of the vote on the first ballot.

Scheer did not court the religious right over the course of his leadership campaign, but on issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage, he has voted along social conservative lines for as long as he has been an MP. The bulk of Lemieux and Trost’s support ended up in his column on the last ballot.

Bernier’s leadership platform read like a hit list of sacred cows. The Canada Health Act that allows the federal government to have a say in the provincial management of Medicare was one of them.

But it was his commitment to end the supply management system in the dairy and poultry industries that attracted the most attention. It earned him a lot of favourable editorial coverage and substantial support in some regions of Western Canada. On Saturday Bernier came first in Alberta and Manitoba. But it also blunted his edge in his home-province.

Bernier’s strategists had expected a Quebec juggernaut to lift him over the finish line. It never materialized. He won Quebec but not without a fight. He collected 55 per cent of the province’s support overall. In his own Beauce riding, a seat he has carried with more than 60 per cent of the vote in good and bad Conservative times, Bernier lost to Scheer and his dairy industry allies.

And in Atlantic Canada where governments are major players in the economy, his libertarian ideology did not sell well.
It took thirteen ballots for victory to slip from Bernier’s grasp, but the strong mandate he would have needed to put his policy stamp on the party was long gone by the time he conceded defeat to Scheer.

Had he woken up on Sunday morning with a mandate as fragile as that handed Scheer, Bernier would have lacked the legitimacy to sell a hostile caucus and a dubious party on his controversial signature policies.

It was not just Bernier’s big ideas that bit the dust on Saturday.

Kellie Leitch believed she was on to something when she set out to talk the party into branding itself as a champion of Canadian identity. She wore her proposal of a values-test on would-be immigrants like a badge of honour and contended that it put her on the right side of public opinion and in the top leadership tier. Barely seven per cent of the membership supported that contention. For all intents and purposes, she emerges from this campaign a spent political force.

Michael Chong tried to talk his party into renouncing its anti-carbon pricing mantra. He pleaded with the Conservatives to reconnect with the majority of voters — in particular among the younger cohort — who support a more proactive climate change strategy. About one in ten Conservatives followed his lead.

Some of Scheer’s first post-victory fighting words were aimed at Justin Trudeau’s carbon pricing scheme. Not only would the new Conservative leader reverse it, he contends that Canadians should not pay the GST on home-heating bills. If anything, the leadership campaign has cast in stone the Conservatives’ determination to continue to take a pass on the defining environmental issue of the era.

The influence of the religious right within the Conservative family is not matched by an equivalent impact in the ballot box. Over the years, flirting with restrictions on abortion and the party’s resistance to same-sex marriage have cost the party more votes than they have attracted.

As for the dairy farmers who mobilized against Bernier, they are at best fair weather friends who cannot be counted on to automatically sign up for the larger 2019 Conservative battle against supply-management friendly parties like the Bloc, the NDP and the Liberals.

Almost two years after their 2015 defeat, the Conservatives have a permanent leader, but not the bigger tent they need if they are to beat the Liberals in less than two years. On that score, Scheer’s victory is even less impressive than its modest size suggests.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...-but-not-the-bigger-tent-they-need-hbert.html
 

MHz

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He's looking much healthier now that politics left him behind, . . . I mean he left politics behind of course.
Who writes this shit, . . . . what mic button??
 

JLM

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Oh goodie. Libs are already scared...by one of the nicest persons around.


Yeah, it sure as Hell wouldn't hurt my feelings to see the end of that old Trudeau regime, but would all the women in the country see the sense of it? We can't afford them for another 4 years!
 

petros

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Have you heard of Andrew Scheer? He is leading the race but he is dirt free and that is why you haven't heard of him.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sour...XPKzXwFdg81tfVg3A&sig2=5rzUqb3d7_X2aRULbO8pcA

Media says he smiles too much.


OooooOooooo....nasty.

What will you do when the next Conservative leader is dirt free?


Yeah, it sure as Hell wouldn't hurt my feelings to see the end of that old Trudeau regime, but would all the women in the country see the sense of it? We can't afford them for another 4 years!

If my mom who is an OG leftie likes him and voted for him last election any other smart woman will too.

He stole a 40+ year "safe seat" Dipper riding and is well liked even on the huge Rezes in the Riding.
 

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If my mom who is an OG leftie likes him and voted for him last election any other smart woman will too.

He stole a 40+ year "safe seat" Dipper riding and is well liked even on the huge Rezes in the Riding.

Electable.

A whole lot of the delegates were not.
 

Bar Sinister

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I haven't seen any indication that the Libs are scared but they should pay attention to the Dairy Farmers during the next round of Free Trade giveaways with Trump.....


Stephen Harper’s Conservatives lived and eventually died on the battlefield of boutique policies tailored to specific segments of the electorate. Those same dynamics ultimately determined the outcome of the former prime minister’s succession on Saturday.

In the end, two unrelated but identifiable groups tipped the balance in Scheer’s favour: the party’s social conservative wing and a well-organized dairy farmers’ lobby.

The religious right had not one but two standard-bearers in the leadership line-up and both Pierre Lemieux and Brad Trost, despite not having served in any of Harper’s cabinet, finished ahead of five former Conservative ministers. Together they won 15 per cent of the vote on the first ballot.

Scheer did not court the religious right over the course of his leadership campaign, but on issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage, he has voted along social conservative lines for as long as he has been an MP. The bulk of Lemieux and Trost’s support ended up in his column on the last ballot.

Bernier’s leadership platform read like a hit list of sacred cows. The Canada Health Act that allows the federal government to have a say in the provincial management of Medicare was one of them.

But it was his commitment to end the supply management system in the dairy and poultry industries that attracted the most attention. It earned him a lot of favourable editorial coverage and substantial support in some regions of Western Canada. On Saturday Bernier came first in Alberta and Manitoba. But it also blunted his edge in his home-province.

Bernier’s strategists had expected a Quebec juggernaut to lift him over the finish line. It never materialized. He won Quebec but not without a fight. He collected 55 per cent of the province’s support overall. In his own Beauce riding, a seat he has carried with more than 60 per cent of the vote in good and bad Conservative times, Bernier lost to Scheer and his dairy industry allies.

And in Atlantic Canada where governments are major players in the economy, his libertarian ideology did not sell well.
It took thirteen ballots for victory to slip from Bernier’s grasp, but the strong mandate he would have needed to put his policy stamp on the party was long gone by the time he conceded defeat to Scheer.

Had he woken up on Sunday morning with a mandate as fragile as that handed Scheer, Bernier would have lacked the legitimacy to sell a hostile caucus and a dubious party on his controversial signature policies.

It was not just Bernier’s big ideas that bit the dust on Saturday.

Kellie Leitch believed she was on to something when she set out to talk the party into branding itself as a champion of Canadian identity. She wore her proposal of a values-test on would-be immigrants like a badge of honour and contended that it put her on the right side of public opinion and in the top leadership tier. Barely seven per cent of the membership supported that contention. For all intents and purposes, she emerges from this campaign a spent political force.

Michael Chong tried to talk his party into renouncing its anti-carbon pricing mantra. He pleaded with the Conservatives to reconnect with the majority of voters — in particular among the younger cohort — who support a more proactive climate change strategy. About one in ten Conservatives followed his lead.

Some of Scheer’s first post-victory fighting words were aimed at Justin Trudeau’s carbon pricing scheme. Not only would the new Conservative leader reverse it, he contends that Canadians should not pay the GST on home-heating bills. If anything, the leadership campaign has cast in stone the Conservatives’ determination to continue to take a pass on the defining environmental issue of the era.

The influence of the religious right within the Conservative family is not matched by an equivalent impact in the ballot box. Over the years, flirting with restrictions on abortion and the party’s resistance to same-sex marriage have cost the party more votes than they have attracted.

As for the dairy farmers who mobilized against Bernier, they are at best fair weather friends who cannot be counted on to automatically sign up for the larger 2019 Conservative battle against supply-management friendly parties like the Bloc, the NDP and the Liberals.

Almost two years after their 2015 defeat, the Conservatives have a permanent leader, but not the bigger tent they need if they are to beat the Liberals in less than two years. On that score, Scheer’s victory is even less impressive than its modest size suggests.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...-but-not-the-bigger-tent-they-need-hbert.html

Excellent analysis; thanks for posting it.
 

Danbones

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LOL, it was just globalist trudy's turn to replace globalist harper
;)
silly
 

Cliffy

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My friend has a bumper sticker that say "I'm already against the next war"... well, I'm already against the next conservative leader.
 

JLM

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My friend has a bumper sticker that say "I'm already against the next war"... well, I'm already against the next conservative leader.


Christ, Cliffy, that guy is about as good as they get, you know you can't be too fussy when it comes to politicians, not exactly the paragons of society! :)
 

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I wonder if Scheer is going to give Leitch a job as Minister of Nutbars?

According to one of her riding staff, she directed a lot of her own activities and developed her own policies. If this lady was telling me the truth, Leitch should look for guidance and a better staff. She's new and should be helped.

If she maintains her present policy plan unchanged going into the next leadership race, she'll get laughed off the podium.

My personal belief is she only did as well as she did (7 %) because she was one of few females running for the job.

Water under the bridge now, until 2019 anyway.
 

JLM

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I wonder if Scheer is going to give Leitch a job as Minister of Nutbars?

According to one of her riding staff, she directed a lot of her own activities and developed her own policies. If this lady was telling me the truth, Leitch should look for guidance and a better staff. She's new and should be helped.

If she maintains her present policy plan unchanged going into the next leadership race, she'll get laughed off the podium.

My personal belief is she only did as well as she did (7 %) because she was one of few females running for the job.

Water under the bridge now, until 2019 anyway.


That's a little harsh, Murphy. For one thing if you know anything about Math, 1/13 is pretty close to 7%. I would think to be a medical doctor is a fairly sure indication of a lot of knowledge and savvy. She may well have a good bedside manner without being a People person in the accepted sense. I'm not sure there is a lot of shame in not being cut out to be a politician. Anyway I don't agree with slagging the woman.
 

Murphy

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She really, really needs someone to look after her image, the way she talks and a team for policy development.

Not being harsh. Realistic. As a doctor, she should know that you cannot go it alone. There are also things that you can say publicly and other stuff is best kept to oneself. She is very much a political neophyte with rough edges.
 

Danbones

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As long as we elect someone who can be cajoled or bribed by the communazizioglobalistards we can elect anyone we want.
 

tay

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I wonder if Scheer is going to give Leitch a job as Minister of Nutbars?

According to one of her riding staff, she directed a lot of her own activities and developed her own policies. If this lady was telling me the truth, Leitch should look for guidance and a better staff. She's new and should be helped.

If she maintains her present policy plan unchanged going into the next leadership race, she'll get laughed off the podium.

My personal belief is she only did as well as she did (7 %) because she was one of few females running for the job
.

CONS don't want women out of the kitchen.

Supposedly she is a Pediatric Doctor. Maybe she should go back to being a kids Doctor since there is a Doctor shortage. Although I suppose it may be uncomfortable for her if she has to look after a refugee kid......
 

Murphy

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I have talked with her on several occasions. She has been at my house, and not just on the stoop. Politically speaking, she is naive. Here's an article from a couple of hours ago that speaks about some of my concerns. She has to know when to shut up. She has to learn what is okay to talk about publicly and what isn't. She needed guidance, but never had any.

The underlining is mine.

Kellie Leitch's problem now is that you only get one tearful apology: Robyn Urback
It's hard to see Leitch coming back from this weird, divisive campaign
By Robyn Urback, CBC News Posted: May 29, 2017 5:00 AM ET

excerpt...

...And then there's Team Leitch, which opened strong with attacks against the establishment "elite," only to be undermined by its own candidate, who was recorded back in January crowing about "the 22 letters" at the end of her name. Indeed, a surgeon/professor/former cabinet minister railing against the elites is a tough sell to begin with, without your candidate demonstrating how transparently she doesn't believe her own campaign rhetoric.

The trajectory of her campaign was dealt two big blows in early 2017: the first, the entry of celebrity attention-seeker Kevin O'Leary, and the second, the resignation of campaign manager Nick Kouvalis, who stepped aside after calling a prominent academic a "cuck" on Twitter.

Leitch continued to preach anemically about Canadian values in awkward interviews and videos, but her early momentum was lost. She never got it back.

Some have suggested that Leitch's poor showing on Saturday is a repudiation of the type of dog-whistle xenophobia her campaign seemed to embrace. That seems somewhat unlikely, considering that two-thirds of Canadians say they actually support her proposal to screen would-be immigrants for "Canadian values."

More likely, it's a repudiation of candidates running inauthentic campaigns for which they are completely ill-suited. Kellie Leitch's campaign didn't fit the candidate; that's where she went wrong — right from the beginning.

The rest here.

Kellie Leitch's problem now is that you only get one tearful apology: Robyn Urback - CBC News | Opinion

She's young enough to try again. You can bet that there will be a lot of self analysis going on at her camp. Hopefully, she is smart enough to recognize and accept her shortcomings.