Conservative bosses cheating in elections

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Avro

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No it won't happen.....and I'll tell you why.

We did that. It was called the Reform Party. The Mulroney PCs were corrupt and dangerous to the nation, so we split off..........

And left the even MORE corrupt Liberals in power unopposed for well over a decade when we split the vote.

You have to pick the best of the worst.....that is the way it works.
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Yep, that's well and good Colpy....still dosen't justify sending them a check in the face of clear wrong doing.

How about sending them a letter instead, showing your displeasure....no....well send them some pennies then.

You can bring up the Libs all you want, but that dosen't excuse the cons and the arrogance they have in not dealing with it.

At least under the Libs we were paying down the debt and had a robust economy.

See how I did the same thing you are doing....justify it no matter what.

Lil' Stevie likes guns therefore they can do anything they want blah blah blah....politics as usual.:roll:
 
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A word that seems to have disappeared from the political landscape is: integrity.

All but been lost in the anus of time.
 
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Avro said:
Why have intergrity when people keep sending you checks like nothing went wrong?
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I send them cheques because they are the group that is closest to my philosophy.

I belong to the party, and I contribute to the party, because I believe it is important that the people, as individuals, be involved in politics more often than just Election Day.

My hope is that the Conservatives succeed in doing away with the money-per-vote donation we all make to the parties, in fact I wish that all gov't subsidies to parties could be eliminated...........because that in itself will force people to become more involved, if they want a multi-party system

If you expect perfect integrity from ANY organization made of human beings....especially an organization concerned with the use of power........well, I am amazed at your innocence, and regret your inevitable disillusionment.

It is a relative thing.....and the Conservatives are not doing so badly.

They have a long way to fall yet to be worse than the alternative.

Everything is relative. Unfortunately.
 
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That's fine Colpy.

Everyone has a vice.

Sending a check isn't really getting involved especially if you won't send it with an asterisk.

*better not get complacent or the money stops.

I'll not give one dime to any of them....I stopped doing that years ago.

Although, I think I'd let the Libs steal some more money for a surplus and a better economy.
 
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Avro said:
That's fine Colpy.

Everyone has a vice.

Sending a check isn't really getting involved especially if you won't send it with an asterisk.

*better not get complacent or the money stops.

I'll not give one dime to any of them....I stopped doing that years ago.

Although, I think I'd let the Libs steal some more money for a surplus and a better economy.
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Good luck with that........one poll is showing Harper's boys at 43%. Now, I don't quite believe that, but I do know that no one is taking more seats than the Conservatives in the next election.

What you will achieve if you DO succeed putting Ignatieff in the PM's chair.....is giving power to the BQ.

Ignatieff will be Gilles finger puppet.

Think about THAT for a moment......
 
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Appeals court shreds Tory defence in campaign-finance case

In 2006 financial scandal was a major rallying-point for Conservative campaign. Now there is no confusion that what the Conservatives have done is illegal and corrupt in sneaking in over a million dollars more than allowed by Elections Canada. What hypocritical bastards to wag the finger at Liberals while breaking the law to get elected.
If any Conservative supporter on this board has any integrity at all, they will hang their head in shame.

A civil court victory the Conservative Party has touted as vindication against charges of election wrongdoing has been unanimously overturned by the Federal Court of Appeal.

The ruling confirms Elections Canada's interpretation of electoral spending laws and says it was reasonable for the electoral watchdog to reject the way the Conservative Party reported national advertising expenses for the 2006 election.

The unanimous, three-judge panel's ruling guts the Conservatives' main line of defence since charges were laid last week against four top party officials.

Until Tuesday, the government had questioned why Elections Canada was pursuing charges on a matter that had already been settled in the civil suit.

“We've been repeatedly in court about this,” Prime Minister Stephen Harper said last week when word of the charges surfaced. “The courts to this point have ruled in our favour.”

Shortly before the appeal ruling became public knowledge Tuesday, Mr. Harper told the House of Commons the dispute comes down to a “difference of opinion” on interpretations of the Elections Act.

“We maintain that our people acted under the law as they understood it at the time,” the Prime Minister said. “When it was clear that Elections Canada had changed its interpretation of the law, this party had already adjusted its practices in the 2008 election campaign.”

In the civil case, the party argued that the chief electoral officer had no authority to refuse to give rebates to candidates even if he found their expense claims dubious.

However, the Federal Court of Appeal ruled the Conservative party's interpretation “would weaken compliance with the limits set by Parliament on the amount of money that candidates may spend on their election and can recover by way of reimbursement from public funds.”

“Abuses could well proliferate and the statutory objective of promoting a healthy democracy through levelling the electoral playing field [be] undermined,” the ruling says.

A spokesman for the elections watchdog said “the decision preserves the integrity of the political financing regime which ensures fairness in the electoral system.”

The disputed expenses were claimed as local advertising by 67 Tory candidates.

Elections Canada maintains the scheme allowed the national party to exceed its spending limit by more than $1-million, while letting candidates claim rebates on expenses they hadn't actually incurred.

Spokesman John Enright said the agency appealed the case in order to “promote responsible management and payment of public funds and protect the money and interests of Canadians.”

The appeal ruling relates to a civil suit launched by two of the Conservative candidates.

The decision found that the cost of regional media buys claimed by the local candidates was “more of a cost-shifting arrangement than an agreement by the participating candidates to purchase advertisements.”

And the appeal panel agreed with only one part of Justice Luc Martineau's original ruling — “that the amount reported for a candidate's share of a pooled advertising expenses cannot be arbitrary, or based solely upon the available room under each candidate's spending limit, but must be reasonably related to the value of the benefits received.”

That part of the original ruling was being appealed by the Conservative Party because it would have effectively put up to 10 Conservative candidates, including three current cabinet ministers, over their 2006 spending limit.

Late last week, charges of wilfully overspending were laid against the party and four of its top campaign and fundraising officials, including Senators Irving Gerstein and Doug Finley.

The government has steadfastly defended itself by citing the initial court ruling of January 2010.

Pierre Poilievre, Mr. Harper's parliamentary secretary, cited the court decision 11 times Monday during the 45-minute question period in the Commons.

“They'll have to tear up their talking points because they've just been demolished,” Liberal MP Dominic LeBlanc said Tuesday.

A spokesman for the Director of Public Prosecutions, meanwhile, said the civil case and the charges under the Elections Act are “distinct” but related.

“While both cases originate from the same series of events, they are distinct proceedings,” Dan Brien said Tuesday.

“The DPP was aware of the decision of Justice (Luc) Martineau in Federal Court when he decided to initiate this prosecution.”
 
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This is just the first hundred.....there's more coming later:lol:

Reasons not to vote Liberal


1. Cancelling the Sea King replacement
2. Sponsorship scandal
3. Gun Registry
4. HRDC boondoggle
5. Problems with Transition Job Funds program
6. Tainted blood
7. Radwanski Spending Affair
8. Pearson Airport
9. GST Flip Flop
10. Airbus Investigation
11. Voting against Red Book promise of independent Ethics Commissioner
12. Irving fishing lodge stays/travel on Irving jets for cabinet ministers
13. Martin traveling on private corporate jets as Finance Minister
14. Don Boudria’s stay at Boulay owned chalet
15. Denis Coderre staying with Boulay
16. Alfonso Gagliano being appointed Ambassador to Denmark
17. Shawinigate
18. Claude Gauthier (PM’s friend)’s Transelec getting CIDA grant that was questioned by the Auditor General and even CIDA.
19. Liberal fundraiser Pierre Corbeil charged with fraud by RCMP after he approached several Quebec companies seeking federal job training grants and asking for payments to Liberal Party, having gotten the names from senior Quebec Liberal Minister, Marcel Massé.
20. Michel Dupuy, Heritage Minister, lobbying the CRTC.
21. Tom Wappel refusing to help blind veteran
22. Gagliano’s son benefiting from contracts from his father’s department
23. Gagliano’s former speechwriter, Michèle Tremblay was on a $5,000 a month retainer with the Canada Lands Company to provide speeches for the Minister. Former President John Grant let her go saying “we got nothing in return.” Grant claimed that all Crown Corporations reporting to Mr. Gagliano were told to put Ms. Tremblay on a monthly retainer.
24. Iltis replacement
25. Purchase of new Challenger jets for the Prime Minister and cabinet
26. NATO Flying Training program contract
27. Liberal friends appointed as IRB judges being investigated by RCMP
28. Hedy Fry’s imaginary burning crosses
29. Maria Minna’s improper municipal vote
30. Minna giving contracts to two former campaign staffers for public relations work for a conference that had already been held
31. Lawrence MacAulay and contracts directed to Holland College
32. Lawrence MacAulay and Tim Banks
33. Lawrence MacAulay hired his official agent, Everett Roche, for $70K, but Roche never did any work for it. (Oct 2002)
34. Art Eggleton and contracts to his ex-girlfriend
35. Copps’ aide Boyer’s spending habits
36. Collenette resigns for breach of ethical guidelines involving a letter he wrote to the Immigration and Refugee Board
37. APEC Inquiry
38. Andy Scott's 1998 resignation that came eight weeks too late, after a media circus wore him down for indiscreetly shooting his mouth off on an airplane.
39. Anti-American comments by Liberal MPs, officials, and the former Minister of Natural Resources.
40. Rock and the Apotex/Cipro affair
41. Rock giving Health Canada contract to car cleaning company.
42. Manley lobbying CIBC on behalf of Rod Bryden
43. Manley’s fundraiser suggesting donors to his leadership write it off as a business expense.
44. Manley using his pre-budget consultations as Minister of Finance to solicit support for his leadership bid.
45. Coderre’s relationship with Group Everest
46. Martin’s fundraiser/employee of Finance Jim Palmer
47. Martin’s “blind trust” and his relationship with CSL.
48. Gerry Byrne requesting fundraising money be sent to his home address, with no records kept.
49. Gerry Byrne pouring bulk of ACOA money into his own riding.
50. Virginia Fontaine Addictions Foundation
51. Prime Minister’s former assistant, Denise Tremblay’s huge travel expenses on Veterans Review and Appeal Board as Minister pleaded poverty to veterans’ widows.
52. Chrétien appointing Hon. Roger Simmons (former Trudeau minister convicted of income tax evasion) as Consul-General in Seattle
53. Chrétien trying to bring hit-and-run driver Carignan back into caucus.
54. The RCMP is investigating possible fraud and bribery within Industry Canada, involving possible "overpayments" to recipients of federal business grants. The probe centres on the National Research Council, which hands out federal grants to small- and medium-sized businesses.
55. More than half a dozen bureaucrats have been "removed" from their jobs at a Human Resources Development Canada (HRDC) in Toronto following a police investigation into projects funded under one of the department's grants and contributions programs
56. Revenue Minister Elinor Caplan called in the RCMP and ordered a sweeping security review after four tax department computers were stolen containing confidential personal information on more than 120,000 Canadians.
57. More than $7 billion stashed in Foundations by Finance Minister Paul Martin with little or no accountability
58. Dhaliwal overseing Richmond-airport-Vancouver transit line while being owner of the airport limousine service
59. Tom Rosser, former Dhaliwal advisor lobbying Natural Resources department and minister on environmental issues only months after leaving government.
60. $5.3 million GG northern travel
61. GG budget doubles in 5 years
62. Robert Thibault giving a grant as ACOA minister to a wharf and boatyard where his brother-in-law has a monopoly.
63. Royal LePage contract, which the government was forced to cancel in the wake of serious concerns being raised.
64. Shutting down the Somalia Inquiry
65. Home heating rebate, which was sent to prisoners and deceased.
66. Martin firing Bernard Dussault, Chief Actuary of CPP
67. Ethel Blondin-Andrew buys fur coat on government credit card
68. Chrétien’s imaginary homeless friend.
69. Liberal MP Rick Laliberte’s extensive travel budget
70. Liberal Senator Thompson living in Mexico
71. Vendetta against former BDC President François Beaudoin
72. The flag give-away – which estimates suggest might now have cost $45 million instead of the promised $6 million, and reportedly involved fake invoices.
73. Gagliano’s two week trip, at taxpayers’ expense, for a two day event with the head of the Royal Canadian Mint and Maurizio Caruso.
74. Secretary of State for multiculturalism and status of women Sheila Finestone using government car (which junior ministers are only allowed to use for government business) to drive home to Montreal, which even Sheila Copps criticized. (Ottawa Citizen, May 22, 1994)
75. Liberal MP Jag Bhaduria’s hate mail to his former employers, wishing that they had been shot by killer Marc Lepine
76. Liberal MP Jag Bhaduria making false claims about his academic qualifications.
77. Paul Martin and Maria Minna attending fundraising dinner for group linked to Tamil Tigers in May 2000 (National Post, Sept. 8th, 2001).
78. David Anderson, as National Revenue Minister, suing the government for lost wages after being removed as IRB appointee by Conservative government seeking $454,000 from a deficit-ravaged federal treasury. (Vancouver Sun, July 24, 2004). Anderson eventually agreed to drop the suit.
79. David Anderson suggesting that the BC doesn’t need extra House of Commons seats, because they wouldn't be worth much given the poor quality of most West Coast MPs. (Vancouver Sun, July 24, 2004)
80. A consultant on an executive interchange program persuaded Natural Resources to undertake a $700-million reorganization of its research facilities for which no business case had been made. The program was fast-tracked because he had developed a social relationship with the deputy minister. He was eventually charged with diverting $525,000 to a numbered company he controlled. (Globe and Mail, May 30, 2005)

And the list continues under Prime Minister Martin:

81. Raid on reporter Juliet O’Neill’s home by RCMP
82. Permanent Resident Cards
83. Judy Sgro going on vacation as cards became mandatory and landed immigrants were left stranded
84. Minister Frulla’s renovations
85. Pay raises for chiefs-of-staff in ministers offices, while spending is frozen for public service.
86. The government’s changing numbers on how much money has gone to CSL
87. Lobbyists in Paul Martin’s transition team being allowed to return to lobbying immediately, after being involved in process of picking new cabinet and senior staff.
88. Minister Comuzzi’s anti-Quebec comments
89. Martin government using closure after only six days in the House of Commons, followed by using time allocation in the Senate.
90. Problems with DND’s contracts with Compaq Computers that may have cost taxpayers up to $159 million for work not performed.
91. Martin using government jets to tour the country campaigning before election, spending up to $1 million for air travel alone.
92. Martin’s relationship with Earnscliffe
93. Questionable contracts to Earnscliffe
94. The appointment of former Liberal MLA Howard Sapers as the Correctional Investigator of Canada
95. Pierre Pettigrew’s flip flopping on health care
96. David Dingwall’s expenses as head of Royal Canadian Mint
97. Liberals planning to give David Dingwall a severance package after he resigned
98. The secret National Unity Fund reserve
99. Calling an early election after earlier promising first to get to the bottom of the sponsorship scandal
100. Martin suggesting changes to legislation and introducing bill that benefited CSL, despite concerns from his own Deputy Minister that he was in a conflict-of-interest (Ottawa Citizen, May 26, 2004)
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1. Reason to vote Liberal(or NDP, Green): If we don't we won't have a democracy for much longer.

One of things that pissed off a lot of people with the Liberals was the concentration of power in the PMO where unelected insiders made most of the choices. We've got a PM who's convinced himself he's a separate executive branch and a PMO that's a black hole as far as information goes, letting this continue will be the end of any real political freedom in Canada. It's a lot easier to maintain that freedom through election than build it from scratch, just ask all the people putting their lives on the line in the middle-east right now.
 
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DaSleeper said:
And not with the Liberals??????:lol:

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And that's why I vote for neither.....

Vote NDP, or Green, or Bloc.... anything but the Cons or Libs.... they need their asses to burn for a few years. Maybe then they might learn their lessons.

People worry and complain about the Bloc wanting to break up the country..... I think the Liberals and Cons are doing a good enough job of that.
 
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These rules were changed after the election, so why is what something the Liberals themselves have likely already done even relevant, aside from attempting score political points? Liberals keep telling us that they can do better, but so far they have failed miserably to convey what “better” means. Past experience tells us that both Liberals and Conservatives are owned and by the wealthy and the multinational corporations, because both derive the bulk of their funding from these two sectors, so how are we to believe word one from their mouths?
Both parties support the latest corporate consumer rip-off with the imposition of the HST in both ON & BC. This was a corporate wet-dream, meaning that $billions in tax responsibility was transferred from the corporate spreadsheet to consumers, and it applies to many goods and services not previously taxed under the PST. This means that consumer’s disposable income is significantly reduced, while the corporate sector realized additional profits and government realize additional tax revenues, and consumers get to pay for that privilege, thank you very much. Every time we turn around concessions to the wealthy and multinational corporations means that we as consumers have less disposable income to live on, and the tax-free day slips past July into August and beyond.
There was a joke floating around the internet stating that it was the newest T-1 General Tax Return that consisted of only 2 lines. The first asked how much you made, and the last instruction was, “Send it in.” I’m beginning to wonder if this is really a joke, or a glimpse into the near future. You tell me!
 
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The presently running attack ads are of coarse part of the upcoming election campaign but will not be counted as election expenses until after the writ is dropped and the election called.

Another example of the wealthy elite cheating in election campaigns.

These AH's need to be whacked with a stick.
 
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Harper is like William Bennett. I think the current (ex-Reform) conservatives have the best intentions out of all the parties; but in the long run, they will become corrupt and inefficient and host to wannabe-powermongers (Ignatieff and Layton) like the Liberals and NDP.


I don't see myself ever voting "Liberal"; unless, the Liberals are reformed and disown Trudeau.
 
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Trotz said:
Harper is like William Bennett. I think the current (ex-Reform) conservatives have the best intentions out of all the parties; but in the long run, they will become corrupt and inefficient and host to wannabe-powermongers (Ignatieff and Layton) like the Liberals and NDP.


I don't see myself ever voting "Liberal"; unless, the Liberals are reformed and disown Trudeau.
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I doubt they will miss your vote.
 
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