Conditioned behaviour

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The cure is to leave the machines nearly empty in the evening and then fuel them up in the morning. The 'game cameras' were stolen, i suggested a wireless one and leave the laptop locked up in one of the machines.
Made it easy,moved the fuel tanks
Let's talk money and rural crime watch?

Lack of response is why so many crimes never get reported. It's a snowball effect starting with the courts that give light sentencing or letting criminals walk entirely. The police have little incentive to investigate when they know the perp will walk away laughing at them.
Statistics show the crime rate is going down. That's because crimes are not reported.
Don't forget people are deterred from reporting crime,by the institution which should be interested in crime,no formal process of interest
Canadians are going to have a preview of crime reporting process with the inquiry into missing and murdered aboriginal women

Take up self protection is our only means to protect our assets and family
 

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Made it easy,moved the fuel tanks
Let's talk money and rural crime watch?


Don't forget people are deterred from reporting crime,by the institution which should be interested in crime,no formal process of interest
Canadians are going to have a preview of crime reporting process with the inquiry into missing and murdered aboriginal women

Take up self protection is our only means to protect our assets and family
Has anyone ever asked you the question, " WHAT IN THE FUK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ?"
 

davesmom

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Take up self protection is our only means to protect our assets and family


And how would we do that? We aren't allowed to have a gun. If we do have a gun it has to be locked away in a different location from the locked-away ammo. If we effectively subdued or injured an intruder/attacker we would be charged with 'undue force' and hauled into court so fast our heads would spin.
It is illegal to discharge a firearm; even the police are subject to investigation if they discharge a firearm.
If a trespasser or intruder injures himself on our property due to a safety hazard we can be held responsible for that too.
Yeah, the criminal has all the odds on his side. He is well protected by law from his victims.
 

JamesBondo

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And how would we do that? We aren't allowed to have a gun. If we do have a gun it has to be locked away in a different location from the locked-away ammo. If we effectively subdued or injured an intruder/attacker we would be charged with 'undue force' and hauled into court so fast our heads would spin.
It is illegal to discharge a firearm; even the police are subject to investigation if they discharge a firearm.
If a trespasser or intruder injures himself on our property due to a safety hazard we can be held responsible for that too.
Yeah, the criminal has all the odds on his side. He is well protected by law from his victims.

The regulations for transporting or storing a shotgun in you vehicle while travelling your property are remarkably simple. The clip can be in the glove box, the ammo in your pocket, and the shotgun 'out of sight' which can be in a case sitting next to you when you are in the vehicle.

Also, discharging a firearm in a farmer's field is mostly Unregulated. Make sure that any reports of shots fired can trace back to a slaughtered animal or a paper target.

And, when it is your word against a criminal's word, make certain that you mention that he threateneed to rip you a new assh0le then smash your skull in. I believe that should be enough of a crime to justify your use of force.
 

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And how would we do that? We aren't allowed to have a gun. If we do have a gun it has to be locked away in a different location from the locked-away ammo. If we effectively subdued or injured an intruder/attacker we would be charged with 'undue force' and hauled into court so fast our heads would spin.
It is illegal to discharge a firearm; even the police are subject to investigation if they discharge a firearm.
If a trespasser or intruder injures himself on our property due to a safety hazard we can be held responsible for that too.
Yeah, the criminal has all the odds on his side. He is well protected by law from his victims.
It is best to follow the laws

Has anyone ever asked you the question, " WHAT IN THE FUK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ?"
No one has asked me those questions because no one cares
 

MHz

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Made it easy,moved the fuel tanks
Let's talk money and rural crime watch?
Motion sensors on power poles that are motion activated and a hi-rez pic is taken of that intersection. Wi-fi and the charge would be an act of terrorism if the camera is messed with and just put out a bogus 'theft of fertilizer' thing and it becomes bomb making material rather than fuel.

That would be about a 300% price of the fine and the catch rate is 100%. How much would 'free fuel' be worth then?

The cycle that can be conditioned with known results is called 'Reactional Attachment Disorder'. It is when an 'infant' goes through a traumatic event cause by neglect of the one that is most in his life at that time and the trust that was there is removed. The infant then starts to trust strangers more than they do family members at some point even though the assessment of being 'abused' might be 'blown out of proportion' distrust enters the picture and anybody new is trusted more and it really is 'strangers' that will f*ck you over a lot faster than a friend or family member. That cycle is a lifelong one as it doesn't exist so there is no cure.
When an abused person has a baby it is quite likely that they will abuse the child at some point and trigger that reaction as a 'conditioned response'.

As an adult in an adult relationship would that not play out the same without the person even knowing that a button has been pushed. If one has then there is a cure that is no more difficult than changing your reaction so it is based on current events rather than a reaction to events that never should have happened in the first place. Too bad it couldn't be put in the city water, oh wait it can, when you use ozone to treat the water it evaporates in a few hours, it changes to 02 so it is still a useful way to help your body. The 'old method of chemical treatment is actually a bit toxic which is still better than a lot toxic, still , . . .

It is best to follow the laws
Only if the laws are just.

(insert JFK poster about peaceful change or violent revolt, one or the other will always happen)
 

MHz

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The county has the linemen install the device. The country could broadband the whole place at the same time and that would be cheaper than what the residents currently have. A few out of work IT guys could do the software install.
You take the pic via e-mail to the law and they go about laying the charge and collecting the money wit zero effort on investigation. Video is something that will result in a guilty plea because no bogus charges are filed. There should be a surplus of mobile wi-fi towers around as most drilling rigs had one if they were remote enough.
 

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The other day our neighbors had a significant theft of fuel,when asked about if reported to the RCMP ,the responses was "they are not interested and cannot do anything ",when asked if an official report was taken the person could not contest if action was taken to collect information,no paper trails to be given

Strange but true we had the incidence happen to us,brazen act of helping oneself right under our noses,sophisticated my partner never reported it stating our neighbors was going to report it on our behalf???!!!!!!?????????,in rural Alberta one can not even count on our RCMP to collect information or even pretend to be concerned,rural crime watch ,what a joke,
Living in Rural Alberta or Saskatchewan one may not even receive a response to crimes in action,I think I need to contact that lawyer in Saskatchewan and tell him to use this design as education and defense
Not sure if the RCMP even received our information,been waiting to see if they are even going to phone us for significant details like land location,this I know is my romantic Liberal thinking,
Security systems,big dogs,great lighting,and guns are the only answer for rural Alberta,times are changing

Tell the cops shots were fired. They will be there in no time.
 

bobnoorduyn

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I think most of us have had stuff stolen, even last winter I caught the images of two culprits breaking into our shed and helping themselves to two Gerry cans, one with diesel, hope that's the one they used to fill their gas powered vehicle. I still have the game cameras up but also now have 24hr motion sensor video hooked up to 3TB DVR. And no, the RCMP made a courtesy phone call but it pretty much ended there.


As for defense you kind of have to weigh the risk; if I see someone is prowling our property I will be armed, but that will be the last line of defense. Usually prowlers are cowards looking for easy spoils, they almost always run. If they advance on you, (me), just get verbally assertive but back up toward cover, preferably your home entrance. If by some chance they wish to engage you, (me), a quick decision has to be made, best is to give them three options, get the hell away, submit to arrest, or receive three warning shots, two to the chest one to the head.


The stakes escalate exponentially if someone forcibly and unannounced enters your home knowing full well it is occupied, you know they're not coming over for tea. I say unannounced because there have been cases where folks have done that because they notice your house on fire, but they would likely be yelling. As well a home in Quebec was raided by the SDQ, they did not announce themselves during a night time dynamic entry, (a very scary experience for the homeowner and his family for sure) and one officer was fatally shot by the homeowner, who was cleared of all charges other than having a licensed restricted firearm, but not where it was supposed to be, I think he was eventually cleared of that charge too.


Remember, firearms must be stored lawfully; as long as you are in the home they are not necessarily stored. A firearm that is in use is not subject to the storage rule. I used to do a lot of shooting and on any give Sunday afternoon might have had seven or more firearms on my front porch in various stages of being cleaned. Practicing dry firing, shouldering or any other such activity is equally legitimate. Predator protection or control in rural areas are as well.


The reasons criminals seem to have more rights is that they have experience with the law, most of us do not. As such,we are a soft target for law enforcement and prosecutors. The first rule I abide by, and as a former advocate advise others to do is, when questioned, even if you haven't been advised you are a suspect but there is any reasonable chance you are, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT, USE IT. You would be amazed at how many folks do incriminate themselves. The second is hire a lawyer who is proficient in firearms law, there are many, but hiring one who deals primarily in other crimes could be a costly mistake.


The Firearms Act is poorly written and confuses most police, judges, and prosecutors. That was done on purpose at the direction of, a lawyer, Alan Rock, who "came to Ottawa with the firm belief that only the military and law enforcement should be allowed to own firearms".

It is best to follow the laws


"The law is for the blind obedience of fools and the mere guidance of wise men"~ author unknown.
 
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The other day our neighbors had a significant theft of fuel,when asked about if reported to the RCMP ,the responses was "they are not interested and cannot do anything ",when asked if an official report was taken the person could not contest if action was taken to collect information,no paper trails to be given

Strange but true we had the incidence happen to us,brazen act of helping oneself right under our noses,sophisticated my partner never reported it stating our neighbors was going to report it on our behalf???!!!!!!?????????,in rural Alberta one can not even count on our RCMP to collect information or even pretend to be concerned,rural crime watch ,what a joke,
Living in Rural Alberta or Saskatchewan one may not even receive a response to crimes in action,I think I need to contact that lawyer in Saskatchewan and tell him to use this design as education and defense
Not sure if the RCMP even received our information,been waiting to see if they are even going to phone us for significant details like land location,this I know is my romantic Liberal thinking,
Security systems,big dogs,great lighting,and guns are the only answer for rural Alberta,times are changing


I was talking to someone yesterday and they told me a story were their house got broken into on the Thanksgiving weekend and vandalized but the scoundrels must have gotten spooked off by something because they had put 4 laptops and other items on a bed sheet, likely to use as a carrier/bag.

The OPP came but did not take any fingerprints or pics and suggested that since nothing appeared to be stolen, there wasn't much they could (or would?) do.

Strange days indeed........
 

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Huh! I thought "conditioned behavior" was another term for "Politically Correct" - who knew it was about reporting crime! :)
 

personal touch

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Tell the cops shots were fired. They will be there in no time.
Sure they will be there,maybe in the morning,tell this to the family whos loved one was found dead in her home after making a 911 call 3weeks earlier,see what they have to say about response time in rural Alberta

It was a good sounding title even though it had little to do with anything.
Alberta suffers from a chronic affliction of conditioned behaviour,Ludlow You are ignorant and silly

Huh! I thought "conditioned behavior" was another term for "Politically Correct" - who knew it was about reporting crime! :)
The process of reporting crime is intertwined with political correctness and evidently political policy and process,
The case surrounding the circumstances of the death of Karman Willis exemplifies these facts to being truth,that reporting crime can be altered and riddled with prejudices and conditioned behaviour,we should see examples of the reporting methods and information collection in the upcoming missing and murdered indigenous woman's inquiry,
Shall I say more

Political correctness and conditioned behaviour for information collection and identification was just examples by a legal action taken by RCMP women,Canadians were mortified reporting methods,handling of information,identification of information could be taken with little regard
Shall I say more?

I care about you making sense. Just be yourself and you will.
Funny

I think when one has strong knowledge and convictions, being yourself is so easy
 

darkbeaver

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RURAL ALBERTA? Two humans for every three hundred sg kilometers, yeah we hear you, hurry up with the grain will yah.

Alberta is a frontier landmass and must be exploited before the introduction of pub;lic education. AQ vast empty space of empty heads begging explotation, the NSLP can helpo you peasents. Organixzation is what you need, I know the word is new to you, I'm sure you will adfapt, after a period od subjugation, six months and you'll bve rollion in the good times the rest of Canada enjoys. We love you.
 

personal touch

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RURAL ALBERTA? Two humans for every three hundred sg kilometers, yeah we hear you, hurry up with the grain will yah.

Alberta is a frontier landmass and must be exploited before the introduction of pub;lic education. AQ vast empty space of empty heads begging explotation, the NSLP can helpo you peasents. Organixzation is what you need, I know the word is new to you, I'm sure you will adfapt, after a period od subjugation, six months and you'll bve rollion in the good times the rest of Canada enjoys. We love you.
Thanks for recognizing Alberta is behind and more so rural living is really behind in so many aspects
 

MHz

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Alberta suffers from a chronic affliction of conditioned behaviour,Ludlow You are ignorant and silly
Perhaps being a Yank that is how he has been conditioned. Albertans got sucked in when the Social Credit go in by elimination all personal debt of the individual voters. Oil and Grain subsidies were part of the re-payment. In reality the loans were put into 1 folder and it became the Heritage Trust Fund. The voters kept them in power for 20 years and they could do no wrong. If that era was examined as closely as we look at things today it could be when we sold out to big biz as once I was old enough to work it was still the wild west compared to having rules and following them like we were doing in 2015.
Being in Canada and inventive out of necessity, making adjustments should be easy. The old gold fields that have tailings on them should still have enough gold on the lease to justify moving the material around. The least amount would be found in the piles themselves bit it still has to be moved and it might as well be recleaned using today's standards just to test and tune your equipment.
When the old dredges came through they floated on water and a bucket wheel was the pick-up machine and it disturbed the ground before the buckets picked it up so the finer gold would have jiggled itself deeper than the buckets went. That is where the most of the gold will be found and to pick that up you have to vacum the bottom. Under water and onshore methods would have to be designed and built and the material loaded on a barge for sorting.

The tailings this time would be scattered around according to 21st century standards and the lease holders would want that anyway as they could come back every 10 years and vacum the holes out that they left when doing the restoration. Most places would bulldoze clean material to each side of the old tailings pile and the bucket wheel would pick up the old tailings pile and the new material that was pushed up to it. The tailings would use a conveyer belt to get deposited on the clean ground that was used for the raw material. They will be graded to road specs and that is permanent access. Behind the bucket wheel barge is another floating barge with pumps and suction devices to vacum the bottom until it is at solid bedrock. That material should be very rich in gold and the tailings from that barge would place the tailings where the creek-bed will be and that will be landscaped for the fish and for catching gold as it comes down stream to be cleaned out as needed or left for the tourists to find in their gold panning adventure.

As far as I know there are a lot of miles of tailings that nobody is going to 'clean-up' at the moment as gold recovery is not part of the 'plan'. Gold belongs to the Gov in the end but it might be 20% for them and 80% for the recovery team to make it a win/win.

What if enough could be recovered that it could pay off the national debt in 20 years and there would still be another 20 years of good mining ahead. To support the miners you would need a supply line that probably is 4x as big.

No doubt there are other projects that can pay for itself. The old city dumps could be mined out and recycled after sorting.