Climate Change - Coal the bad guy -Not oil or conventional gas.

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Let us say Canada - Germany comparable on sunlight etc - Are you willing to have your electricity bill increase 400 % - Now we then bring in industry that would be unable to compete in many sectors. Lots of unemployed people.

Is this not pertinent?

What does this have to do with the report in the OP?
 

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Let us say Canada - Germany comparable on sunlight etc - Are you willing to have your electricity bill increase 400 % - Now we then bring in industry that would be unable to compete in many sectors. Lots of unemployed people.

Is this not pertinent?

And on a side note... the wind farm off Cape Cod is going to cost $2.5 BILLION and they will see their electric bill increase by 100%.
 

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Everyone already knows electricity is going to skyrocket in the next few years.

I thought this thread was about the science, not the economy.
 

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And on a side note... the wind farm off Cape Cod is going to cost $2.5 BILLION and they will see their electric bill increase by 100%.


I understand that there is a lot of shale gas development in the NE United States... I will wager that with the sketchy economic times we are experiencing, you'll see more than a few nat gas powered facilities being proposed and approved.
 

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BOOM!

There it is!

 

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"One of the world’s top climate scientists"

More grandstanding and meowing for grant money. We put way too much credence on "experts" and "professionals" in our society today. They don't have a f****ing clue what they're talking about.
 

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Everyone already knows electricity is going to skyrocket in the next few years.

I thought this thread was about the science, not the economy.

It is about conventional oil, ol sands, convential gas, shale gas, green -renewable power - costs.

Why would someone think that converting from DC to AC was a big deal? Do you not know anything about our existing transmission system?

The revenge of Thomas Edison | Smart Shift | Executive | Financial Post
 

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Everything is about how much money power companies can charge us for existing technology. People keep dragging out the tired old crap about solar and wind. Ya,ya, ya, it is expensive to build... yadda, yadda, yadda... ad nausium. There are feasible alternatives and they can be easily and cheaply developed...if the power and oil corps would allow it. But, the usual suspects on here would rather keep their heads firmly between their cheeks.

Most of the posts in this thread are like echos of dinosaur farts in a canyon.
 
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Did he not grade the energy by polluting factors?

I didn't read his study. But it's often the case that science is misreported by the popular press. If the author felt the need to comment after the press releases, it's a good indication that such was the case.
 

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I didn't read his study. But it's often the case that science is misreported by the popular press. If the author felt the need to comment after the press releases, it's a good indication that such was the case.

I went around the net. He is not of the opinion that the Oil Sands are as bad as some opponents make it out to be.
He does state that the Oil Sands are the largest contributor to GG in Canada and are adding to our addiction to fossil fuels.

He stated that all fossil fuels had to be regulated.

And no i did not save the links - On my desk top and it is old and slow. Yes, I am as well.:roll:
 

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I went around the net. He is not of the opinion that the Oil Sands are as bad as some opponents make it out to be.

What he did was put the contributions of oil sand pollution to global warming in context. I doubt he was surprised that they were smaller than coal, more likely he thought the change from Alberta's bitumen would be a bit larger. Perhaps he thought the oil sands were a larger resource than it actually is.
 

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Oh what a great link! I can get Free Energy tour dates and upload their latest single on my iPOD.

There are feasible alternatives and they can be easily and cheaply developed...if the power and oil corps would allow it. But, the usual suspects on here would rather keep their heads firmly between their cheeks.
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Oh goodie! I would like to hear about them!

 

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What he did was put the contributions of oil sand pollution to global warming in context. I doubt he was surprised that they were smaller than coal, more likely he thought the change from Alberta's bitumen would be a bit larger. Perhaps he thought the oil sands were a larger resource than it actually is.

He was surprised at the results for the oil sands. Clear that he had a preconceived opinion based on other research or commentary. We are all guilty of that.
But he listed them in order of magnitude. Coal at the bottom or highest GG, unconventional gas was better than coal, I take that to be shale gas.
 

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So, why should we pay attention to the arrogant euro trash and their "climate agenda")?
Them being so smart that they destroyed our trapping and the seal hunt, not to mention that they were not thinking about that when we saved their collective asses. The loss of most of the trapping business cost many native groups dearly, that should trump the euro trash bs "carbon" agenda, or are they racist?
Heck if we go back to wearing furs we would have far less emissions from fuel heating, hydro, and textile plants.