CDN Election 2019

taxslave

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So you really believe 250 grand isn't a huge #? I guess with that kind of thinking I DON'T have an argument.
In a municipal election maybe. Canada wide it is not much even if we ignore the number that couldn't be bothered to vote. Presumably they would have all voted Liberal anyway because they didn't have enough ambition to make sure TrudOWE didn't get elected.
 

taxslave

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Which makes me wonder when real, true Conservatives are gonna either take the party back, or reform the party.
Kind of hard to do for several reasons..
First the raving religious will make stupid comments which the liberal party owned CBC will blow all out of proportion.
Second there are way too many people that have no clue what fiscal responsibility means. Thousands of them think if they make the minimum payment on one credit card with a cash advance on another card means they have money to spend. Much like all our lefty politicians.
Third until there is a new method of representation that is area or number of communities represented the vote rich Toronto and Montreal areas will always override the rest of the country.
 

JLM

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You're not getting it, are you?


That they moved ahead of the Liberals doesn't matter squat. Why?


Because people STILL remained to the LEFT of the Conservatives.


If the Cons had gotten an increase in numbers to pull ahead of the Liberals, as you said, both in popular vote and in seats, they'd be in the majority, no question.




However.


They just BARELY pulled ahead of the Liberals in vote tally but lost in seats. If you look at the numbers between 2015's election, and this year, the Cons only increased their popular vote by half a million. The difference between what the Libs had in 2015 and what they lost this year, was over a million.



Meanwhile, the Bloc increased their numbers, and so did the Greens, by half a million EACH between 2015 and 2019.


Which in the end, makes UP for the losses the Liberals had, especially when you look at the separation of vote numbers between the Liberals and Conservatives being only 240,000.


The Cons had a disaster of an election when you look honestly at the numbers. To say anything else is being ignorant of what is going on, and the Cons have got to seriously get to work if they want to be viable in Canada as a party.
I don't put too much stock in this "left" and "right" shit. Liberals and Conservatives are pretty much interchangeable in most of their platforms.
 

JLM

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Kind of hard to do for several reasons..
First the raving religious will make stupid comments which the liberal party owned CBC will blow all out of proportion.
Second there are way too many people that have no clue what fiscal responsibility means. Thousands of them think if they make the minimum payment on one credit card with a cash advance on another card means they have money to spend. Much like all our lefty politicians.
Third until there is a new method of representation that is area or number of communities represented the vote rich Toronto and Montreal areas will always override the rest of the country.


Ain't that the truth!
 

pgs

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I don't put too much stock in this "left" and "right" shit. Liberals and Conservatives are pretty much interchangeable in most of their platforms.
They used to say liberals campaign from the left and govern from the right . Is that still true ?
 

Hoid

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the conservatives are the perennial second choices in Canada.

they get in when everyone is pissed withe the lefties - and they proceed to get themselves voted out

canada is left leaning
 

Ron in Regina

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the conservatives are the perennial second choices in Canada.

they get in when everyone is pissed withe the lefties - and they proceed to get themselves voted out

canada is left leaning
I hear you. If ALL of Canada was given a reason to vote 'withe the lefties' the Conservative Party wouldn't have to exist, but that's not the case. Who's issue is that? Glass houses and such.
 

Serryah

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I don't put too much stock in this "left" and "right" shit. Liberals and Conservatives are pretty much interchangeable in most of their platforms.


Yet it's good enough to claim the Conservatives did well/better this election?


Sorry, not buying it.


Though I do agree that Liberal and Conservative are interchangeable by times; nowadays you have the added parties of the NDP, Green and Bloc to throw into the mix; all left leaning.


Extreme right - like the stupid PPC - won't fly in Canada, and Conservative is as far right as you can get. Conservatives need a more middling ground party that still has Con core values but more social positive sights.


Aka the "Old" party.
 

Serryah

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Kind of hard to do for several reasons..
First the raving religious will make stupid comments which the liberal party owned CBC will blow all out of proportion.
Second there are way too many people that have no clue what fiscal responsibility means. Thousands of them think if they make the minimum payment on one credit card with a cash advance on another card means they have money to spend. Much like all our lefty politicians.
Third until there is a new method of representation that is area or number of communities represented the vote rich Toronto and Montreal areas will always override the rest of the country.


I agree with most of this, save that while the Left might pay minimum on our card, etc, the Right won't even pay on the first card, cut using the second card and give the parents who own the cards tax breaks for not having the cards anymore to use.
 

Hoid

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look at it this way - the nattys were all worried about Maxime siphoning off rightie votes from Scheer - while Trudeau has the NDP and the greens and the bloc siphoning votes off of the liberals.

The left vote is massive
 

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Serryah

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JLM

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By the numbers, it wasn't, not by a long goddamn shot.


The only idiot is you if you think Sheer had some sort of advantage with this election.


But I do agree, the system is broken and needs to be fixed.


How many goddamn votes would the Conservative Party need to make you happy? It would have take a bloody miracle for a party so far down as they to completely recover in a single term. He was 3/4 of the way there, what more do you expect?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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By the numbers, it wasn't, not by a long goddamn shot.
The only idiot is you if you think Sheer had some sort of advantage with this election.
But I do agree, the system is broken and needs to be fixed.
Could cause a severe salt shortage. Tighty whitey rightie tears are a national resource.
 

JLM

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Yet it's good enough to claim the Conservatives did well/better this election?


Sorry, not buying it.


Though I do agree that Liberal and Conservative are interchangeable by times; nowadays you have the added parties of the NDP, Green and Bloc to throw into the mix; all left leaning.


Extreme right - like the stupid PPC - won't fly in Canada, and Conservative is as far right as you can get. Conservatives need a more middling ground party that still has Con core values but more social positive sights.


Aka the "Old" party.


There's one basic reason why the "left" parties in Canada generally get more votes than the "right". Left is good for the people who expect the Gov't to do everything for them and charge the cost up for the future. There's a general feeling of entitlement that grows larger every year.
 

spilledthebeer

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It's a type of star, actually. One that basically failed to be a real star. Other definitions are "an unwiped anus" and "a traitorous semi-Albertan halfwit."

All of them apply to Boomster.




How fascinating that T-bonsforbrains should know so very



many TRULY CRUDE EXPRESSIONS about stars and arses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Such knowledge reveals how much time he spends with his head up his own arse...............................


or even worse - with his head up the arse of somebody else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 

spilledthebeer

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You're not getting it, are you?


That they moved ahead of the Liberals doesn't matter squat. Why?


Because people STILL remained to the LEFT of the Conservatives.


If the Cons had gotten an increase in numbers to pull ahead of the Liberals, as you said, both in popular vote and in seats, they'd be in the majority, no question.


However.


They just BARELY pulled ahead of the Liberals in vote tally but lost in seats. If you look at the numbers between 2015's election, and this year, the Cons only increased their popular vote by half a million. The difference between what the Libs had in 2015 and what they lost this year, was over a million.



Meanwhile, the Bloc increased their numbers, and so did the Greens, by half a million EACH between 2015 and 2019.


Which in the end, makes UP for the losses the Liberals had, especially when you look at the separation of vote numbers between the Liberals and Conservatives being only 240,000.


The Cons had a disaster of an election when you look honestly at the numbers. To say anything else is being ignorant of what is going on, and the Cons have got to seriously get to work if they want to be viable in Canada as a party.






If you wish to say that a Conservative minority govt IS USELESS...............................................


in the current Cdn environment where there are THREE LEFT WING PARTIES in parliament.......................


and there is also the Bloc taking up seats.......................................


then I WILL AGREE with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


All FOUR PARTIES- the three LOONIE LEFT COUSIN parties and the Bloc................................


would each do their best to destroy a Conservative govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals would attack for ideological reasons and to score political points to use in the next election to come......................


The Bloc would attack simply because they are political vandals with NO AGENDA other than grabbing gravy for Quebec!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The current LIE-beral minority govt is a TRIUMPH of fear and loathing and BRIBERY......................................


over common sense and logic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the gravy is running out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Our idiot Boy Justin and his federal LIE-beral losers are following EXACTLY the same play book.............................


as Ontari-owe LIE-berals under Wynne-bag did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy can look forward to telling an ever expanding series of LIES about the CLAIMED success..............................


of LIE-beral policy that is really disintegrating into IDIOT NONSENSE in full public view!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The current LIE-beral minority govt will be VERY LUCKY - if it survives through two budgets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!