Carter hugs Hamas member as Israel fumes
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Zzarchov
How do you figure? Maybe you haven't been paying much attention to the situation in America today..... Who has the upper hand when a nation that's grown accustomed to flipping a switch and letting the cool conditioned air flow over them...flicks the switch and the light stays off...as compared to a society that's learned to live with limited expectations and been victim to religious fanatics for generations?
There are quite a few Moslems kicking around the planet Zzarchov and I don't think I can feel the "love" for the USA in that milling throng....
Behavior like the arrogance of the Americans and their "big-stick-mentality" has had its day. Reality is that the homogeneity of the planet is proceeding. India and China, billions the world over aren't going to quiver in fear or anxiety as the United States of Economic Supremacy crumbles....
Wait a while....
How do you figure? Maybe you haven't been paying much attention to the situation in America today..... Who has the upper hand when a nation that's grown accustomed to flipping a switch and letting the cool conditioned air flow over them...flicks the switch and the light stays off...as compared to a society that's learned to live with limited expectations and been victim to religious fanatics for generations?
There are quite a few Moslems kicking around the planet Zzarchov and I don't think I can feel the "love" for the USA in that milling throng....
Behavior like the arrogance of the Americans and their "big-stick-mentality" has had its day. Reality is that the homogeneity of the planet is proceeding. India and China, billions the world over aren't going to quiver in fear or anxiety as the United States of Economic Supremacy crumbles....
Wait a while....
Perhaps you haven't looked around at the Muslim world today and how badly this war has hurt them by comparison.
Lets look at the human Cost, Including 9/11 the total US death toll is hovering around 10,000 people. Thats as much as die each season in New York state from Traffic Accidents. Its also cost about half a trillion for Iraq, probably half that again for Afghanistan (rounding it out to 3/4 trillion dollars).
Now compare that to the Muslim world, in terms of the numbers dead (probably nearing a million), the amount lost (destroyed infrastructure, lost productivity from living in a warzone, destroyed resources) and youre nearing the two or three trillion mark when you count the ripple effects on the whole region (which also suffer ironically, when America suffers, so they suffer twice).
Moslem love for the US? Big deal, there are more Non-Moslem's who have similar "love" for the Islamic world than there are are Islamic people who feel that way about the US.
And the Islamic world is in bigger need of love than America is, America's wealth is only 10% external, they are one of the few countries that can simply close its borders and retain about the same standard of living. Most Islamic nations tend to be Export heavy and are on Unfriendly terms with India, China, Russia, the EU, America, Australia and Africa.
This "war on terror" isn't really working out well for the Islamic world, It may be a pyrhic victory for the USA, but its sure as hell going alot better for them then for the Islamic fundementalists, who probably should have thought this course of action through alot better.
Lets look at the human Cost, Including 9/11 the total US death toll is hovering around 10,000 people. Thats as much as die each season in New York state from Traffic Accidents. Its also cost about half a trillion for Iraq, probably half that again for Afghanistan (rounding it out to 3/4 trillion dollars).
Now compare that to the Muslim world, in terms of the numbers dead (probably nearing a million), the amount lost (destroyed infrastructure, lost productivity from living in a warzone, destroyed resources) and youre nearing the two or three trillion mark when you count the ripple effects on the whole region (which also suffer ironically, when America suffers, so they suffer twice).
Moslem love for the US? Big deal, there are more Non-Moslem's who have similar "love" for the Islamic world than there are are Islamic people who feel that way about the US.
And the Islamic world is in bigger need of love than America is, America's wealth is only 10% external, they are one of the few countries that can simply close its borders and retain about the same standard of living. Most Islamic nations tend to be Export heavy and are on Unfriendly terms with India, China, Russia, the EU, America, Australia and Africa.
This "war on terror" isn't really working out well for the Islamic world, It may be a pyrhic victory for the USA, but its sure as hell going alot better for them then for the Islamic fundementalists, who probably should have thought this course of action through alot better.
Zzarchov
It's been created by America Zzarchov! Who's been meddling in the political system of Iraq, Iran, every nation in the Middle East and Asia for the past hundred years? Who's had key involvement in "regime-change" with the erection of wonderful people like Suharto and Pinochet? Who Started this fire...to borrow from Billy Joel...?
American corporate and industrial interests as needed to feed a completely brainwashed consumer society...that's who!
While Saudi Arabia and oil producing nations have been paid unbelieveable amounts of money over the past few generations, has the United States ever talked about "human rights" violations....no not until they had an opportunity to invade on a pretence they developed out of disposing the Shah and being Saddam Husseins "pal" ...until of course his usefulness diminished....
You like to blame people for being what they are and applaud them for their larceny and lies at the same time....
Perhaps you're a Frank Herbert character (Dune/Dune Messiah)...."Be as a reed and bend in the wind..." Let the wind flow over you and you'll survive, resist the wind and you'll be broken..." (Paraphrasing with great abandon)...
Maybe you're a proponent of the notion that fixed ideas of morality (right and wrong) don't exist, that all morality and all ethics are situational and flexible concepts....
Hope you feel that way when you suffer for your ambivalence.
It's been created by America Zzarchov! Who's been meddling in the political system of Iraq, Iran, every nation in the Middle East and Asia for the past hundred years? Who's had key involvement in "regime-change" with the erection of wonderful people like Suharto and Pinochet? Who Started this fire...to borrow from Billy Joel...?
American corporate and industrial interests as needed to feed a completely brainwashed consumer society...that's who!
While Saudi Arabia and oil producing nations have been paid unbelieveable amounts of money over the past few generations, has the United States ever talked about "human rights" violations....no not until they had an opportunity to invade on a pretence they developed out of disposing the Shah and being Saddam Husseins "pal" ...until of course his usefulness diminished....
You like to blame people for being what they are and applaud them for their larceny and lies at the same time....
Perhaps you're a Frank Herbert character (Dune/Dune Messiah)...."Be as a reed and bend in the wind..." Let the wind flow over you and you'll survive, resist the wind and you'll be broken..." (Paraphrasing with great abandon)...
Maybe you're a proponent of the notion that fixed ideas of morality (right and wrong) don't exist, that all morality and all ethics are situational and flexible concepts....
Hope you feel that way when you suffer for your ambivalence.
Uh huh, If I had to guess which one of us suffer's more I'd bet on you...
Regardless of your conspiratorial frothings about who started it,
Its blatantly obvious who is losing the confrontation, and its isn't America. That being said, wars still drain all sides involved so those staying out of it will be the best off.
Regardless of your conspiratorial frothings about who started it,
Its blatantly obvious who is losing the confrontation, and its isn't America. That being said, wars still drain all sides involved so those staying out of it will be the best off.
Wait, gotta stop you there for a second. Isn't no recognition of Israel sorta a good thing?
I mean if they have a 10 year truce and through that whole time they don't reconize Israel's existence.... then technically during that whole time they're not reconizing them, they are not fighting them, since they don't exists...... they are a figment of their own imagination for those 10 years.
Then after the 10 years they wake up in the morning and go "WTF?! Where'd these guys come from?"
But seriously, who cares if they reconize them or not? That's no solid grounds for war.
It was a conspiracy that created the state of Israel Zzarchov!
And if you'd kindly point out to me the location of any American defense of an invaision by any Middle Eastern nation...well I'm more than prepared to be enlightened. On the other hand how long has it been that America and its policies supporting Israel has embroiled the nations around Israel....Syria Jordan Lebanon etc. etc. When was the last time that an Arab power invaded America? When was the last time a puppet regime was established in America by the same methods used to put Suharto and many many others in control of foreign resources?
Conspiracy...
You're the one with conspiracy theories...
The conspiracy that the United States is an innocent victim....
And if you'd kindly point out to me the location of any American defense of an invaision by any Middle Eastern nation...well I'm more than prepared to be enlightened. On the other hand how long has it been that America and its policies supporting Israel has embroiled the nations around Israel....Syria Jordan Lebanon etc. etc. When was the last time that an Arab power invaded America? When was the last time a puppet regime was established in America by the same methods used to put Suharto and many many others in control of foreign resources?
Conspiracy...
You're the one with conspiracy theories...
The conspiracy that the United States is an innocent victim....
You are just being daft now.
Here is a tinfoil hat. Here is a drool cup, they are prizes for your fabulous victory over the forces of reason.
Now you can lord over your sweet sweet victory.
If you'd like to erode your precious victory by maybe drawing logical conclusions that don't involve conspiracies by the elders of Zion to create Israel, let me know.
Here is a tinfoil hat. Here is a drool cup, they are prizes for your fabulous victory over the forces of reason.
Now you can lord over your sweet sweet victory.
If you'd like to erode your precious victory by maybe drawing logical conclusions that don't involve conspiracies by the elders of Zion to create Israel, let me know.
Can't argue the truth can you Zzarchov?
Plunking the state of Israel where it is and the sixty years of turmoil that ensued was product of a conspiracy..an agreement....
You've failed to indicate from historical fact the number of times the U.S. has fallen victim to those nefarious Arabs....
You're not a big fan of the truth are you!?
Plunking the state of Israel where it is and the sixty years of turmoil that ensued was product of a conspiracy..an agreement....
You've failed to indicate from historical fact the number of times the U.S. has fallen victim to those nefarious Arabs....
You're not a big fan of the truth are you!?
Yep, you win.
Them darn nefarious jews with their greedy little hands, scheming to harm those poor folks in Jordan and Egypt (who made peace) and Syria (who tried to invade Lebanon) and Lebanon (who asked for their help). Its a big conspiracy as you said..who else could have done it but the Elders with their funky scrolls written by Russian nationalists.
And there has never ever been an attack in any way shape or form from Iraq nor Afghanistan on American personel or allies.
Kuwait? Iraq was invited, ask anyone, punch was served. Assasination attempt? Its a practical joke between ol'buddies GB Sr and Saddam. 9/11? The damn garmin screwed up and they got lost in New York traffic..
Yep, you win the Internets.
Them darn nefarious jews with their greedy little hands, scheming to harm those poor folks in Jordan and Egypt (who made peace) and Syria (who tried to invade Lebanon) and Lebanon (who asked for their help). Its a big conspiracy as you said..who else could have done it but the Elders with their funky scrolls written by Russian nationalists.
And there has never ever been an attack in any way shape or form from Iraq nor Afghanistan on American personel or allies.
Kuwait? Iraq was invited, ask anyone, punch was served. Assasination attempt? Its a practical joke between ol'buddies GB Sr and Saddam. 9/11? The damn garmin screwed up and they got lost in New York traffic..
Yep, you win the Internets.
Simple.
It means no recognition of Israel's right to exist.....it means "the right of return" simply moves Muslim Arabs across into what we call Israel, perhaps by the million.....
It means vicious brutal civil war...........way past the extent seen so far in the area.......and perhaps the massacre of all the Jews dumb enough to stick around.
It is insane.
It is also redundant, because Israel will not even negotiate with a group that does not recognize its existence......how could they?
But the muslims didn't do that... Bush and Co. did... so all is going to plan!
BWAHH HA HA HA HA!
Eaglesmack
You're right Eagle..Muslims didn't do that, criminal fanatics did that. Try to get past those stars and stripes blocking your vision and see the world for what it is. "Americans" committed the atrocities at Abu Ghraib but not all Americans.... Americans kidnap anyone they please anywhere in the world and ship them to prisons in Gitmo...or any number of CIA prisons around the world...but not all Americans...
See Eagle.... if you paint with a wide enough brush you can believe George Brush...er Bush....
You're right Eagle..Muslims didn't do that, criminal fanatics did that. Try to get past those stars and stripes blocking your vision and see the world for what it is. "Americans" committed the atrocities at Abu Ghraib but not all Americans.... Americans kidnap anyone they please anywhere in the world and ship them to prisons in Gitmo...or any number of CIA prisons around the world...but not all Americans...
See Eagle.... if you paint with a wide enough brush you can believe George Brush...er Bush....
I would expect it would last a week, tops. They would just get IJ to do the dirty work and claim it wasn't them. Then people like EAO would come on here and say Hamas kept to their part of the bargain.
Wouldn't it be fitting for the Israeli government to distance itself from the IDF. Then the Israeli government could "negotiate" with the IDF to stop the targeted assainations.