Carter hugs Hamas member as Israel fumes

[Zzarchov]

It did alot of harm to those people who swore an Oath to protect, who paid their taxes for that protection, and he allowed to suffer, forcing his successor to do his job.

Im all for talk, and negotiations of war, but when people who depend on you are in trouble, talking is over. Negotiation and peace is a two way street.

 

[talloola]

It did alot of harm to those people who swore an Oath to protect, who paid their taxes for that protection, and he allowed to suffer, forcing his successor to do his job.

Im all for talk, and negotiations of war, but when people who depend on you are in trouble, talking is over. Negotiation and peace is a two way street.

It's fine for talking to be over, but it has to start to begin with, didn't happen.

 

[Zzarchov]

Are you serious?

You know im in specific talking about Mr.Carter and his handling of the Hostage crisis? Or rather lack there of.

 

[Colpy]

Are you serious?

You know im in specific talking about Mr.Carter and his handling of the Hostage crisis? Or rather lack there of.

Read Guests of the Ayatollah by Mark Bowden..........incompetent!

Okay, Juan, I'll accept that Carter is NOT stupid, he just has no common sense, and extremely poor judgement.

I think hugging Hamas leaders and visiting the grave of Yassir Arafat pretty well makes the case for those accusations.

 

[MikeyDB]

Reducing political economic and environmental dynamics to the cult of personality...is a waste of time. When a potential "new" president declares that he believes the rationale behind invading Iraq was legitimate, when this same fellow declares that 100 years is not too great a price to pay for the mistakes of the Bush administration...that fellow is a lunatic and should be recognized for what he is.

While the "might is right" faction here at Canadian Content supports the invaision of Iraq and blindly follows the conditioning of "Israel is a democracy...Israel is a democracy...Israel is a democracy....the strategy of bombs and bullets hasn't worked. It hasn't worked because the world isn't a "black-and white" "good vs. evil" kind of place. Carter has demonstrated that when one strategy is failing...and failed for years...perhaps it's time to change the dynamic as opposed to feeding into the same failed and failing game-plan that's been solving absolutely nothing for decades!

 

[#juan]

The hostage crisis was the latest and most dramatic in a series of problems facing Americans at home and abroad in the last year of the Carter presidency. Was Carter to blame for allowing it to happen? It's hard to say, since the hostage crisis was merely the latest event in the long and complex relationship between the United States and Iran.
It wasn't Carter who installed the Shah into that miserable country. Revenge for the Shah's shoddy treatment of the people was the driving force behind the hostage crisis. Carter was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Carter admits he made mistakes but what choices did he have?

 

[Praxius]

The fact that he is loved by everyone shows his ineffectiveness at reality.

If EVERYONE respects and loves you, it means you've got out of your way not to say unpleasant truths and instead shove around sugar frosted pleasantries that no one actually pretends will work, but they can't disagree with the pleasant sounding words.

Or if everyone respects and loves you, perhaps you're actually doing something right *GASPS* GEEZZ What a concept!! Who woulda thunk it?

He got to be President of the US without having to rig the election.... what have you done laitly?

I'd also like to point out a logical fallacy in your post. Sincewhen is being a nuclear physicist any kind of indicator of your skill as a leader?

That he hasn't blown himself up yet along with those around him.... hmmm... that's a start in my books.

Its as bad was when people keep spouting off Einstein as if he has some kind of authority or insight into the Israeli-Palestinian Struggle.

Well in all seriousness, nobody is right about everything all the time, nor should someone think they are. For myself personally, I don't think Carter will make much progress at all... but once again, it doesn't hurt to try.

Point out he's a president sure (albiet an ineffective one when it came to foreign policy), but being a physicist has nothing to do with this.

Well he's been more effective then some we currently know, but that's besides the point.

 

[Praxius]

To be fair, Bush has done alot more to end racism, religious intolerance and perpetual wars of Imperialism than Carter, thats why everyone hates him.

Racism? Remember "George W. Bush Doesn't Like Black People!" / New Orleans? How are they doing there still?

Religious Intolerance? Sure... so long as you're not a Muslim you should live just fine in the US. And he sure helped bring together the Iraqis so well..... what a hero.

Perpetual Wars of Imperialism? Do you even know who you're talking about anymore?

He's done a lot for all of the above that's for sure.... but it's got nothing to do with "Ending" anything, but started it.

Like Wow..... I think you need to read a few books about recent history.

The regimes he has toppled and the people who lived under them (there being the problem) are all very supportive of racism, religious intolerance and imperialism.

Yes and they're all living in such peace and better way of life now thanks to Bush..... make sure you don't forget your flack jacket when you goto get food for your kids dear.

To a large portion of the world those are all accepted and good things (so long as your race is the one on top, your religion is the only one tolerated and the empire growing is your own)

Ok now you lost me.

 

[MikeyDB]

Easy enough Paxius...

"Ifn yer not with us then yer agin us..."

This moron managed to alienate and bifurcate the world. A champion of stupidity.

 

[talloola]

Are you serious?

You know im in specific talking about Mr.Carter and his handling of the Hostage crisis? Or rather lack there of.

I misunderstood your statement, thought you were referring to bush's talking, which
he doesn't do, he ignores his enemies, then threatens them.

 

[Praxius]

Easy enough Paxius...

"Ifn yer not with us then yer agin us..."

This moron managed to alienate and bifurcate the world. A champion of stupidity.

Yeah, but I must say that it is an impressive feat by anyone to have the majority of the planet out for your blood. I can only think of a small handfull of people in history able to do that.

 

[Avro]

Colpy you are in fair position to state your opinion on him being an idiot or not (Carter) But for me, at least he's trying to do something that nobody else would bother to look into. If hypothetically he helps improve relations between the two sides, or possibly find a resolution through his ways, then I have no place to bicker. Although as recent history has shown us, chances of any solution to the problem is probably still a very long time away.

Still doesn't hurt to try.

Not to mention he got every one of those hostages out alive. If Bush had been in charge they'd all be dead and the U.S. would be occupying another country unsuccessfully for no reason.

Bush, a hero of Colpy, has also had his approval ratings dip below that of Carter......OUCH!

 

[Praxius]

Actually Bush would have just Air Striked the whole area and claim the hostages were helping the terrorists by being hostages in the first place.

 

[Avro]

Good point, never thought of that. They would have been labeled unpatriotic for being captured.

 

[talloola]

I just heard on Fox news that the u.s. government thinks it might have a way to
prevent pres. carter from re entering the u.s.

that is preposterous, but if they changed the name to george bush, I would definitely
go along with that, good idea.

the height of arrogance, they never cease to amaze me with their incompetance.
Carter is just trying to reach out and 'TALK', if bush would only do that, maybe he
doesn't do it because his grasp of the english language is so bad, and the more he
keeps his mouth shut the better he sounds.

 

[Avro]

What exactly is so insane about McCain)

you asked....

Bush II coming up, maybe worse.

 

[Praxius]

you asked....

Bush II coming up, maybe worse.

As I said too, he's just more of the exact same as Bush. And the only reason why I still think he'll win, is because the Democrats are screwing themselves up on purpose it would seem to make people vote for him by default.

And if the default plan doesn't work, then there's always those rigged up electronic voting machines.

And if that doesn't work and they switch back to the old fashion pencil and paper, they can still hire a crazy person from the hospital to run in and grab some ballot boxes and chuck them into a river.

And if that doesn't work, they can always do the classical "Add dead people to the voters list" trick.

Actually wern't there pet's added to the voters list when Bush won the first time? There's been so much corruption I can't keep up anymore.

 

[Zzarchov]

you asked....

Bush II coming up, maybe worse.

Wait, so your whole problem with Bush is that he is involved militarily at all? I thought your problem was that he was incompetantly involved military.

News flash, Every US president since the 30's has been involved in military actions.

 

[Colpy]

you asked....

Bush II coming up, maybe worse.

PLEASE folks, watch the video.

McCain is making a one-line joke, for God's sake...........it even appears he is gently mocking the extreme hawk that asked him the question......

Give it a break.

 

[Praxius]

Update:

Carter set to meet Hamas leader
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/04/18/carter-hamas.html

Former U.S. president Jimmy Carter arrived in Syria Friday for a controversial meeting with Khaled Mashaal, the exiled political leader of the militant Palestinian group Hamas.

Carter, who has characterized his trip to the Middle East as a private peace mission, was also to meet Syrian President Bashar Assad.

Carter's trip has angered Israeli officials, who have shunned the former president, and drawn criticism from the White House. Dozens of congressmen, both Democratic and Republican, have written to Carter asking him not to meet with Hamas officials.

Both the U.S. and Israel have designated Hamas, which refuses to recognize Israel's right to exist, as a terrorist group.

During his trip, Carter sparked controversy after he hugged a senior Hamas politician, a move Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said "dignified" a group committed to Israel's destruction.

He also laid a wreath at the grave site of former Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, whom the U.S. and Israel blamed for the breakdown of peace talks and subsequent wave of violence.
No agreement without Hamas: Carter

But the Nobel Peace laureate has rejected criticism about his trip, arguing that isolating Hamas does little to spur on the peace process between Palestinians and Israelis.

"You can't have an agreement that must involve certain parties, unless you talk to those parties to conclude the agreement," he said in a speech at the American University in Cairo. "You have to involve Hamas … They have to be involved in some way."

Carter said he told Hamas leaders from Gaza that they should stop rocket attacks on Israel, which have prompted deadly Israeli military assaults on the crowded Mediterranean coastal territory.

Any killing of civilians is "an act of terrorism," he said.

But Carter also said that for every Israeli killed in combat, between 30 to 40 Palestinians are killed because of the extreme military capability of Israel.

He also said that the Israeli blockade of Gaza, which has left the territory short of fuel and consumer goods, is an "atrocity." Israel has said the blockade is part of a crackdown spurred by increased Palestinian rocket attacks in southern Israel.

Which hasn't worked, so why continue to keep the blockade going on?

And yes they shoot rockets, they send airt strikes in, civilians on both sides are dying.... so when do each side actually say enough is enough? How many more civilians much die to get payback for the previous civilians who died? How many after that? And that?