Canadians' wide spread ignorance of canada

Cliffy

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There were several regions where there was no glaciation.
It is assumed a land bridge used to connect Alaska and Russia.
It is believed that an un-glaciated strip of land connected from the far north to south of the glaciers reach through what is now Alberta.
The coasts were probably un-glaciated as well.
Then there is the whole issue of glaciers pushing paleo man south out of the glaciated zone.
Paleo points (Clovis and Folsom)are commonly assumed to be around 10 or 11,000 years old.
Digs in several locations in the USA, Central and South America are now dating back from 15,000 to 18,000 years.
Its a fluid subject with lots of debate and new information coming forth.

Trex

In order for there to be a land bridge at the Bering Straight the water level had to drop 400 feet. This would have opened the coast to easy access by foot or small island hopping boats. The ice free corridor in Alberta would have been a much more difficult route and really doesn't make sense. If the water lever dropped that much it would also open a route from Europe. DNA test of eastern aboriginal populations indicates European origins.

Findings in central and south America indicate Hawaiian and Aborigine (Australia) origins. The southern tip of Argentina suggest African. The standard story of the Bering Land bridge is falling apart. The site in Siberia where they formerly thought the Clovis point originate have been found to be younger than those in the US, so migration may have been two way street.
 

Cliffy

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Where I live, they used a Sturgeon Nosed canoe. It is unique in North America/. The only other place on the planet where a Sturgeon nosed canoe can be found is in northern Tibet.
 
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taxslave

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MacLeans magazine had a Canada quiz last week. I got 3 out of twenty. Not bad considering many of the questions were sports related and they said it was a tough quiz. About five years ago when my wife became a Canadian citizen (comes from Germany)I read all the practice questions and they were not all that hard. she did better than me simply because she studied and wanted to ace the test. Most of the
Asian people there couldn't even read or speak enough english to do the test but passed anyway. Kind of pissed her off.
 

Trex

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In order for there to be a land bridge at the Bering Straight the water level had to drop 400 feet. This would have opened the coast to easy access by foot or small island hopping boats. The ice free corridor in Alberta would have been a much more difficult route and really doesn't make sense. If the water lever dropped that much it would also open a route from Europe. DNA test of eastern aboriginal populations indicates European origins.

Findings in central and south America indicate Hawaiian and Aborigine (Australia) origins. The southern tip of Argentina suggest African. The standard story of the Bering Land bridge is falling apart. The site in Siberia where they formerly thought the Clovis point originate have been found to be younger than those in the US, so migration may have been two way street.

I disagree with pretty much everything you say, but hey that's what makes the world go around.
I have a few geological courses under my belt. Grew up knowing a few archaeologists from my Dad's days teaching at Uni and have participated in several digs.
My own personal find flint collection of atl atl, arrow and spear points numbers pretty close to 200 pieces and yes they are both surface finds and legal.
And yes I have a couple of beautiful Paleo's.

The Bering land bridge is reasonably well accepted and although I have never seen hydrological soundings I am almost positive the water is far far shallower there than draining the North Atlantic to allow crossings from Northern Europe.
I had friends on the Yukon Bluefish dig and it still looks like a land bridge is viable.
Clovis points are named after Clovis, New Mexico where they were originally found.
You are indeed however correct in that several different waves and routes were probably taken and you are also correct that they could have gone back and forth.

Sea routes and coastal land routes as well as an ice free corridor are pretty well accepted.
The ice free corridor through Alberta again is pretty well established and would have been a perfectely viable route.
The question is more when and how many times did it open and close?
Many areas of Canada were never glaciated and in fact parts of Alberta never saw a glacier.
Cypress Hills is an excellent example of that.
DNA typing in the Americas shows Polynesian influences not Hawaiian and they of course were seafarers.

I am first generation from the UK and my ancestors were from Kent.
My own personal DNA analysis shows markers from the Sami people who exsisted in
the Scandanavian cultures as well as in Russia.
Obviously a viking or two in the old family woodpile.
Those same aboriginal markers also show up in various native aboriginal tribes in Canada and the United States.
I doubt it will qualify me for a treaty card anytime soon but it certainly does seem to indicate ancient travel from Russia to North America.

Meadowcroft and Cactus Hill sites in the States are well known and well dug.
Chronological testing is intense and is really nailing down the dating.
Its about 15 or 16,000 years old.

Monte Verde in SA is the same deal.
Its well known and well dug.
Very well tested also.
15 or 16,000 years old.

Trex
 

JLM

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There's not much national pride to be drawn from a new poll published just in time for Canada Day. The Canadian Press Harris-Decima survey suggests the country knows little about its own history - even its most recent history.
Only 42 per cent of respondents knew Canada had three territories - which, when compared with some of the other results from the 13-question survey, could be ranked as a towering success.
When asked how old Canada was turning this year, just 21 per cent answered correctly that the country - founded in 1867 - was turning 142 years old.
The wild range of incorrect replies spanned from 30 years to 287 years, placing Canada's founding at sometime between the War of Spanish Succession and the dying days of disco.
"You've got a big range of perception about how old Canada is," said Harris-Decima vice-president Jeff Walker.

Seems like we are always seeing news like this about Americans. Now it's our turn for the truth.8O

Not surprising VanIsle- look at the crap the younger generation is obsessed with- there would be neither the time nor the space in their heads to absorb much of the important stuff. How much of their time is taken up obsessing over things like piercings, tattoos, pot and Michael Jackson? That stuff has to be way more important than old John A....................:lol::lol::lol:
 

Machjo

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Is Canada only 142 years old or is more like 10 thousand? Is Canada a place (geography) or history? Does history only begin on July 1st 1867? If it is history, then it is a biased story. History rarely reflects the truth.

Canada as a political concept evolved over time through European imperialism does indeed officially begin on July 1st 1867. Turtle Island, of course, is much older.
 

Liberalman

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Benjamin Franklin was the first Postmaster of Upper Canada until he flew that dam kite in an electrical storm.

Someone told him that that was a revolutionary idea but because of his hearing he thought that he was supposed join the revolution.

 

VanIsle

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Which state our Nation's capital Toronto is in?????
Should this read something like - "Which province our nation's capital Ottawa is in"