Canadian 9/11 Petition for Parliament

[Machjo]

This could be the US military doctrine, with respect to Canada though - is this really what our defence and national policies should be about? Also, was Canada aware of this when it first took part in the invasion of Afghanistan? Initially it was the hunt for Bin Laden- he is still at large (or is perhaps dead), after nearly 10 years.

David Chandler's analysis of the rate of collapse (free fall) of the WTC is quite interesting:

YouTube - David Chandler - The Physics Of 9/11 Truth - PT 1-2

Basically the free fall collapse is a major problem for the official 9/11 report.

David Chandler's analysis of the rate of collapse (free fall) of the WTC is quite interesting:

YouTube - David Chandler - The Physics Of 9/11 Truth - PT 1-2

Basically the free fall collapse is a major problem for the official 9/11 report.

I'm not saying there was no conspiracy. What I am saying is that the government study found no foul play other than the planes crashing into the building, and since I'm no structural engineer, I must accept the official position until it is conclusively proven false by an authoritative body, which could comprise either the local government of NYC, the state government of New York State, the Federal government of the US, or an appropriate branch of the UN. Canada appears nowhere along that list.

Honestly though, I think a new independent study would be good so as to put an end to this discussion once and for all. Canada could certainly show its support for any UN study of the matter, but beyond that it should butt out. We have no jurisdiction over the US.

Now of course we could argue that Canada has a responsibility towards the Canadian victims of 9/11. While that would be a fair argument, it still doesn't mean Canada could conduct an investigation on foreign soil as we are not a sufficiently neutral party. Again, at most, the Canadian government could promote a UN investigation of the matter, but even that would require the support of the majority of member states.

 

[TenPenny]

Are you familiar with the science involved in building a ****house?

I'm more familiar with building science than you are with being a human.

 

[Machjo]

The government of the USA declared in no uncertain terms that it was conspiracy Machjo. That much is already known. In that light are you prepared to posit some other cause not requiring conspiracy? Spontaneous crumbling perhaps.

Really? Do you have a link to that? And if so, why the lack of any outcry from the international community, considering the trouble this has caused since 9/11 the world over, not to mention that citizens from many countries died there?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Actually there were two conspiracies. First there was the one that led to the hijacking of four aircraft and them hitting the two WTC towers and the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, second there was the one to cover up how inept the security was that allowed the first one to succeed. But that claim about the buildings falling at free fall speed that the 9/11 truthers keep bringing up is just a simple lie. They didn't fall at free fall speed, and that's obvious from even a casual look at the videos. There are visible pieces breaking off the buildings during the collapse and free falling, much faster than the main collapse is happening.

 

[ironsides]

The government of the USA declared in no uncertain terms that it was conspiracy Machjo. That much is already known. In that light are you prepared to posit some other cause not requiring conspiracy? Spontaneous crumbling perhaps.

Did not.

 

[911petition]

Actually there were two conspiracies. First there was the one that led to the hijacking of four aircraft and them hitting the two WTC towers and the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, second there was the one to cover up how inept the security was that allowed the first one to succeed. But that claim about the buildings falling at free fall speed that the 9/11 truthers keep bringing up is just a simple lie. They didn't fall at free fall speed, and that's obvious from even a casual look at the videos. There are visible pieces breaking off the buildings during the collapse and free falling, much faster than the main collapse is happening.

Photographic evidence proved free fall, check out David Chandler.

 

[Cannuck]

Photographic evidence proved free fall, check out David Chandler.

Watching the building fall proved it wasn't free fall.

 

[JLM]

Photographic evidence proved free fall, check out David Chandler.

For a supported structure to fall at "free fall" (32 ft./sec/sec) is an absolute physical impossibility. Only twits will argue about that. :lol:

 

[darkbeaver]

Please review the meaning of the word conspiracy. As Dexter has pointed out, there is no question that the buildings were destroyed because of conspiracy. Simply put, the destroyers of those buildings did conspire. That much is fact. Those who deny conspiracy are too stupid to comment further in this matter.

Really? Do you have a link to that? And if so, why the lack of any outcry from the international community, considering the trouble this has caused since 9/11 the world over, not to mention that citizens from many countries died there?

"International community" the term was introduced to allude to some mythical benevolent quasi democratic body that does not exist except in your mind. It is a psycological construct employed instead of an actual body of the learned. Substitute "the money" for "international community" and you see the black and white of the matter. So what you're befuddled about is why "the money" does not investigate "the money". You expect the same voice the "international community" which is this voice "the money" (power) to question or refute an operation that it paid for.
The official explanation for 9/11 requires the complete suspension of logic. The coincidental failures of multiple systems of security leave no room whatever for the stupid romantic notions of the underdogs magical overcoming of power of that magnitude. You have no choice in the matter of conspiracy. The only choice offered is between inside conspiracy and outside conspiracy. If you choose the Arab scenario then you have literally selected magic in complete defiance of human intelligence and science. That is the way it is.

Actually there were two conspiracies. First there was the one that led to the hijacking of four aircraft and them hitting the two WTC towers and the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, second there was the one to cover up how inept the security was that allowed the first one to succeed. But that claim about the buildings falling at free fall speed that the 9/11 truthers keep bringing up is just a simple lie. They didn't fall at free fall speed, and that's obvious from even a casual look at the videos. There are visible pieces breaking off the buildings during the collapse and free falling, much faster than the main collapse is happening.

It is very diplomatic indeed to use the word "inept". When reviewing this crime one does not even have to get past the airports involved to understand conspiracy. The buildings are the center of nothing except geography. The security failures alone are condemning and conclusive.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Photographic evidence proved free fall, check out David Chandler.

Video evidence proves it wasn't free fall. I have checked out Chandler, and I'm not impressed. He takes measurements from stop-motion videos and tries to extrapolate the size of individual pixels to physical measurements in the real world; have you any clue how many ways there are for inaccuracies to accumulate in measurements and calculations like that? I'd estimate his error bars to be around 50%. He's wasting his time.

 

[JLM]

Video evidence proves it wasn't free fall. I have checked out Chandler, and I'm not impressed. He takes measurements from stop-motion videos and tries to extrapolate the size of individual pixels to physical measurements in the real world; have you any clue how many ways there are for inaccuracies to accumulate in measurements and calculations like that? I'd estimate his error bars to be around 50%. He's wasting his time.

From what I read here, Chandler obviously doesn't understand basic concepts of physics. Where there is any resistance (the rest of the building underneath) there can not be free fall.

 

[lone wolf]

There is a big difference between free fall and free to fall....

 

[darkbeaver]

I'm more familiar with building science than you are with being a human.

I don't agree very often with your perspectives but I would never make the mistake of thinking that you are not human enough.

 

[911petition]

The debate here (on both sides) highlights the need for a full and impartial investigation of 9/11. This is why the petition was developed.

 

[JLM]

The debate here (on both sides) highlights the need for a full and impartial investigation of 9/11. This is why the petition was developed.

That would be about the biggest and unnecessary waste of funds that I can think of. :smile: If we found out more stuff, would it change anything in the future?

 

[911petition]

Well, the first requirement is to determine the actual facts. It may well be that spending (military and public sector) in Canada needs to be changed as a result of the findings in a new investigation. Spending may even go down - which would be a benefit to other budget priorities in Canada.

Also, knowing the facts may well prevent such an occurance from happening again.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The debate here (on both sides) highlights the need for a full and impartial investigation of 9/11. This is why the petition was developed.

There isn't a debate, there's a paranoid conspiracy theory that's been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked on every point but is kept alive by people who don't understand what they're talking about and keep repeating each other's false claims.

 

[Cannuck]

The debate here (on both sides) highlights the need for a full and impartial investigation of 9/11. This is why the petition was developed.

There are people that believe Elvis is still alive. That just proves some people are nutty, not that there is evidence Elvis is alive.

 

[FiveParadox]

I wonder if someone could explain to me why, exactly--even if there were anything suspicious surrounding the events of the World Trade Center's destruction--it is the business of Her Majesty's Government for Canada, or even the Parliament of Canada, to explore in an official capacity. Certainly, both nations are sovereign bodies, and that sovereignty does not apply across one another's borders.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Ugh 9/11 Truthers'

Terrorism through annoyance.

Thanks alot AQ