Canadian 9/11 Petition for Parliament

[911petition]

Actually no, this forum is about the Canadian petition, not the American one.
This is a real petition - able to be read in parliament, as opposed to an online one.
It has nearly 500 valid signatures in just the last 7 weeks. Check it out: Canadian 9/11 Petition | The Petition For A Public Canadian 9/11 Investigation

 

[Ron in Regina]

Actually no, this forum is about the Canadian petition, not the American one.
This is a real petition - able to be read in parliament, as opposed to an online one.
It has nearly 500 valid signatures in just the last 7 weeks. Check it out: Canadian 9/11 Petition | The Petition For A Public Canadian 9/11 Investigation

So....though many Canadians also lost their lives in this horrible event, it did happen in
the U.S.A. & what difference would a petition read in Canadian parliment make?
What difference do you seriously expect? Even if this had the signatures of
millions of Canadians on it & was read in the Canadian parliment.......so what?

 

[JLM]

Actually no, this forum is about the Canadian petition, not the American one.
This is a real petition - able to be read in parliament, as opposed to an online one.
It has nearly 500 valid signatures in just the last 7 weeks. Check it out: Canadian 9/11 Petition | The Petition For A Public Canadian 9/11 Investigation

I wouldn't sign anything where there are no substantiated facts about the author. I checked your profile and it's totally blank. So from just that alone I would say the petition is 50% invalid and from the subject matter I would say the other 50% is invalid. :lol:

 

[Jack_Of_Spade]

I am so tired of every event having a legion of conspiracy theorists. We never made it
to the moon, Kennedy was killed by Martians, the towers were brought down by the
Jews or the Americans or Chavez in South America, and the list goes on and on. Pick
an event from history and some will find a conspiracy. No I will not sign such a silly
document.

Kennedy was killed by Martians???? OMG it all makes sence now! LOL
Seriously Grumpy conspiracy theorist have a place in history. Even though at the time they look like the voice of insanity in a sane world often history vindicates them. Conspiracy are motivated by a gut feeling that something isn't right . they are likely right . The problem is a gut feeling doesn't give you the exact thing that is wrong so the imagination takes over which can take him off course. Its like when you sence your wife lied to you about something . Its a gut feeling . You dont know what the lie is but you know that somethings not right . So then your imagination takes over and well who know where that takes you.

 

[ansutherland]

What was that exact flaw again?

As for design anomaly, there are a couple. They are detailed below from Wikipedia. The incorporation of an entire electrical substation is one of them. Here's a diagram of the basic design resulting from that station http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Wtc7_transfer_trusses.png

"The substation had a caisson foundation designed to carry the weight of a future building of 25 stories containing 600,000 sq ft (55,700 m²).[5] The final design for 7 World Trade Center was for a much larger building covering a larger footprint than originally planned when the substation was built.[6] "


"Mechanical equipment was installed on floors four through seven, including 12 transformers on the fifth floor. Several generators in the building were used by the Office of Emergency Management, Salomon Smith Barney and others.[1] Storage tanks contained 24,000 gallons (91,000 L) of diesel fuel to supply the generators.[7] Fuel oil distribution components were located at ground level, up to the ninth floor.[8] "

"a 10-story gash in the center of the south facade, toward the bottom, extending approximately a quarter of the way into the interior.[4][40] A unique aspect of the design of 7 World Trade Center was that each outer structural column was responsible for supporting 2,000 sq ft (186 m²) of floor space, suggesting that the simultaneous removal of a number of columns severely compromised the structure's integrity.[41] Consistent with this theory, news footage shows cracking and bowing of the building's east wall immediately before the collapse, which began at the penthouse floors.[4] In video of the collapse, taken from the north by CBS News and other news media, the first visible sign of collapse is movement in the east penthouse 8.2 seconds before the north wall began to collapse, which took at least another 7 seconds.[4][42] "

As for design anomaly, there are a couple. They are detailed below from Wikipedia. The incorporation of an entire electrical substation is one of them. Here's a diagram of the basic design resulting from that station http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Wtc7_transfer_trusses.png

"The substation had a caisson foundation designed to carry the weight of a future building of 25 stories containing 600,000 sq ft (55,700 m²).[5] The final design for 7 World Trade Center was for a much larger building covering a larger footprint than originally planned when the substation was built.[6] "


"Mechanical equipment was installed on floors four through seven, including 12 transformers on the fifth floor. Several generators in the building were used by the Office of Emergency Management, Salomon Smith Barney and others.[1] Storage tanks contained 24,000 gallons (91,000 L) of diesel fuel to supply the generators.[7] Fuel oil distribution components were located at ground level, up to the ninth floor.[8] "

"a 10-story gash in the center of the south facade, toward the bottom, extending approximately a quarter of the way into the interior.[4][40] A unique aspect of the design of 7 World Trade Center was that each outer structural column was responsible for supporting 2,000 sq ft (186 m²) of floor space, suggesting that the simultaneous removal of a number of columns severely compromised the structure's integrity.[41] Consistent with this theory, news footage shows cracking and bowing of the building's east wall immediately before the collapse, which began at the penthouse floors.[4] In video of the collapse, taken from the north by CBS News and other news media, the first visible sign of collapse is movement in the east penthouse 8.2 seconds before the north wall began to collapse, which took at least another 7 seconds.[4][42] "

In addition, I think Occams Razor is a good argumentative standard when faced with any argument, especially conspiracy theories. It suggests that the argument that makes the fewest new assumptions is likely the best argument.

I would also like to point out to those that mention the 1500 signature of one sort of expert and 10,000 signatures of another, have you verified that they knew what they were signing? This sort of thing happens all the time when someone falsely indentifies their cause to illicit the support of experts then misuses then misrepresents the expert.

I have done the work to verify some of the signatures on petitions such as these where biologists were said to have signed a petition saying that evolution was not an adequate explanation for our origins. Many of these biologists later complained saying that they only signed because the question was "is there current debate in the scientific community regarding evolution?" Of course there is, but not about whether or not evolution took place, rather how it works. This petition though would lead some to believe that many biologists disbelieve evolution, which is not true.

 

[911petition]

So many questions...
I will attempt to do this in order,
Q) What difference would a Canadian petition make since its an American problem.
A) It was the basis for the war in Afghanistan. If it proves to be false, then the very purpose of the war is in question.
Further, it is also the reason for secret trials and endangerment of rights which all Canadians value and trust in.
Q) Your list of design "anomalies" on WTC7 that were the cause in your view
A) I have 1492 verified Architects and Engineers who support my view regarding the physics of WTC7. How many
have signed on to your "anomalies" theory? Further, there are no other theories which have this many accredited
professionals willing to sign that the official story is false.
Q) The petition itself is not valid
A) The petition was approved by the Clerk of Petitions in the House of Commons as being in "Good Order"

The other philosophical arguments are irrelevant as this is not a philosophical question.

The content of the petition is based on Chemistry and Physics. These are facts that do not change under
any circumstance or the person who brings them up. Read the evidence below, you'll see it is based on
science.

PETITION TO THE HONORABLE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA

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We, the undersigned citizens of Canada
who now avail themselves of their ancient and undoubted right thus to present a grievance common to your Petitioners in the certain assurance that your honourable House will therefor provide a remedy, humbly sheweth our belief that there is sufficient doubt about the omissions and inconsistencies in the official United States of America 9/11 Commission Report to show that 9/11 was an act of state sponsored terrorism. Foremost, the official United States of America 9/11 Commission Report omits new forensic evidence of the use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and the collapse of the third World Trade Center Building 7. And, as a result, Canada now being a partner with the United States of America in the Global War of Terror, therefore has a responsibility to verify the findings of the United States of America 9/11 Commission Report before committing our military and other resources to the conflict.
THEREFORE,
Your Petitioners pray for the Government of Canada to conduct a
PARLIAMENTARY REVIEW
of the omissions and inconsistencies in the official United States of America 9/11 Commission Report and of the new forensic evidence listed below. Your petitioners pray that the Government of Canada hear our policy recommendation to protect Canadians against future acts of state sponsored terrorism.
The new forensic evidence includes, but is not limited to:
Total destruction of buildings with pulverization of concrete floors - proceeding symmetrically through the path of the greatest resistance - at nearly free-fall acceleration;
Several tons of molten iron/steel found in the debris piles of all 3 high-rises and billions of previously molten iron microspheres in all of the WTC dust;
Nano-thermite composite incendiaries discovered throughout the WTC dust.
DVD Material entitled: “9/11: Blueprint for Truth” by AE911Truth.org
The peer-reviewed paper Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe, by Niels H. Harrit, et al. posted at the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal.
Your Petitioners pray for the Government of Canada to conduct a parliamentary review using advice from citizens groups and expert witnesses in the field of 9/11 studies in order to protect Canadians against future acts of state sponsored terrorism and ensure that our military resources are spent properly.
Your petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray,
The Undersigned