There are some good points on here regarding jurisdiction. The petitioners are signing for different reasons, however, they all agree that a new investigation is needed.
Canadian 9/11 Petition for Parliament
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Fair enough. But if the petition is addressed to a body that has no jurisdiction nor legitimate authority, be it moral or legal, of any kind, then that petition will be as effective as if it had been addressed to Canadian Tire or Burger King.
It's a new religion......Probably gonna ask for a tax exemption
Too late.
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The petition is addressed to the Government of Canada and we have confirmation it is in order. It includes reasoning as to its importance to Canada and its involvement in the war on terror.
A few points here:
1. The event occurred on US soil, outside Canada's jurisdictional boundaries.
2. Even if it were found that Building 7 were detonated via some conspiracy, it still would not change the fact that the pilots who flew the planes into the other buildings were in fact working under Osama Bin Laden, protected under the Taliban, thus giving the UN a legitimate reason to approve of the US attacking the Taliban so as to capture Bin Laden, as the UN did. All such a revelation would change is that on top of Al Qaeda, we'd then have to hold some US conspirators equally accountable. None of this would change the illegality of the Iraq war even if a new independent commission that met the requirements of the 911 Truthers should prove beyond all reasonable doubt that there was no conspiracy.
From the standpoint of US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, the only thing proving such a conspiracy would change would be that we'd have to add a few high-ranking US officials to the list of people responsible for 9/11, the pilots and Al-Qaeda remaining on the list.
It would seem to me that such a petition would need to be addressed either to the US federal government or the UN General Assembly. Addressing it to the US Federal government is likely the best bet, as if the government just wants to put this issue to rest once and for all, it could agree to such a commission just to prove there is no conspiracy.
A petition to the UN would likely be less effective in that at most it could get a UN Resolution asking for an independent investigation. Since such a resolution would be non-binding, at most it could embarrass the US Federal government, unless of course some country or other proposes war against the US, which is a highly unlikely scenario to say the least.
If you don't want to be a victim of terror (several Canadians were on 9/11), then you have to be involved in fighting it. Can't just hide behind Uncle Sam.
True enough. But then you need to be fighting terror, not around terror. Saddam Hussain had even expressed his condolences for 9/11, there was no evidence of his having had any involvement in 9/11, nor any that he had WMDs. Now, was it reasonable to seek sanctions, military or otherwise, against Iraq for his human rights abuses? Sure. And Bush did that and the international community denied him that, but he decided to wage war against Iraq anyway.
As for Afghanistan, the Taliban's protection of Bin Laden was legitimate grounds for the international community to permit war against Afghanistan specifically to capture Bin Laden and bring him to justice. So 2 wars, more than a decade, and billions if not trillions of dollars later, where is Bin Laden and are we any safer?
Knee-jerk reactions to events only make things worse. Now as for 911 conspiracy theories, I tend to lean away from them mainly because of the complexities involved in pulling such a large-scale conspiracy successfully. I'd be had-pressed to believe there was a conspiracy to destroy those buildings. That said, we've totally failed in our primary mission, which was to capture Bin Laden.
Godzilla knocked down the Twin Towers and the government is trying to hide its existence. We have it caged up someplace, at least a baby one or two. Film report is under its name Godzilla. Put that in your 9/11 report and tuck it away.
Interesting, which high ranking officials would also need to be included in your opinion? Or is that something that still needs to be investigated?
Knee jerk reactions are life savers in at least half of lifes situations. The complexities involved in many undertakings are directly proportional to the rewards for success in that undertaking. You will of course be familiar with the sucessful D Day conspiracy. You say you are hard pressed to believe there was conspiracy to destroy those buildings but even the official lies attribute those destructions to exactly the agents of conspiracy and nothing else but. On the one hand the alleged complexities of the alleged "Amateur Arab 19"conspiracy pass your filters unimpeded, but the other popularly alleged conspiracy by the ever so much superiorly equiped alleged "international governmental community" can not pass those same filters of yours.
The primary mission is total spectrum domination, Irag was and is simply the eastern border of the proposed new empire, a vital step in that domination. So very much contrary to your analysis the primary mission of Iraq invasion was a total albeit barbaric and bloody success made possible exclusively and conclusively by the same conspiracy that you labour to paint as impossible. It is usual to admit the reality of that which has already happened. So you have to ask yourself wheather you will continue to believe conspiracy of this scale is impossible when in fact it was never once thought not to be a terrorist conspiracy.
PS: we have a choice between conspiracies we have no choice that 9/11 was a conspiracy
scenario A/ 19 amateurs overcome the most complex security apparatus in the world with box cutters
scenario D/ the combined will of multiple government insturments and the systems they own and control be used by traitors within
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I have proof that Godzilla attacked NY on 9/11, do you have any proof that the official governmeny report was wrong?
YouTube - Godzilla, King Kong and the Monster of Cloverfield visit New York
Godzilla was destroyed by the Japanese army in nineteen sixty four. That film evidence is conclusive. Typical misinformation by the conspirators helpers.
Yes, but some survived the ending in 1998 Godzilla movie with Mathew Broderick. Three years to grow up, maybe, so many ways a conspirator can go.
Well, first off, we need to prove there was a conspiracy. Let's not put the horse before the cart now, shall we.
This could be the US military doctrine, with respect to Canada though - is this really what our defence and national policies should be about? Also, was Canada aware of this when it first took part in the invasion of Afghanistan? Initially it was the hunt for Bin Laden- he is still at large (or is perhaps dead), after nearly 10 years.
David Chandler's analysis of the rate of collapse (free fall) of the WTC is quite interesting:
YouTube - David Chandler - The Physics Of 9/11 Truth - PT 1-2
Basically the free fall collapse is a major problem for the official 9/11 report.
David Chandler's analysis of the rate of collapse (free fall) of the WTC is quite interesting:
YouTube - David Chandler - The Physics Of 9/11 Truth - PT 1-2
Basically the free fall collapse is a major problem for the official 9/11 report.
David Chandler's analysis of the rate of collapse (free fall) of the WTC is quite interesting:
YouTube - David Chandler - The Physics Of 9/11 Truth - PT 1-2
Basically the free fall collapse is a major problem for the official 9/11 report.
David Chandler's analysis of the rate of collapse (free fall) of the WTC is quite interesting:
YouTube - David Chandler - The Physics Of 9/11 Truth - PT 1-2
Basically the free fall collapse is a major problem for the official 9/11 report.
With all this conspiracy nonsense going on, does anybody even know if Canada was involved directly with getting bin Laden when all this started. I know they have been fighting Taliban all along.
The conspiracy folks keep saying this but I just don't see it. In fact practically all the talking points of the conspirists have been soundly refuted.
The government of the USA declared in no uncertain terms that it was conspiracy Machjo. That much is already known. In that light are you prepared to posit some other cause not requiring conspiracy? Spontaneous crumbling perhaps.
