All BUT.... Now, if someone else were to read those same memoirs, would the same "all but" admission be read?
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All BUT.... Now, if someone else were to read those same memoirs, would the same "all but" admission be read?
SJP,
You're debating skills not terribly effective, are they.
Mulroney has his special place in Canada's history as a villain, however, no one comes close to Trudeau.
The reality is that any political leader, regardless of political affiliation or nation 'inherits' a situation. The kicker on your example does not recognize the economic environment(s). Fact is, Trudeau took power during boom times and managed to cripple the economy before the recession hit... Mulroney didn't and neither did Chretein albeit, the economy boomed during his tenure.
SJP, your responses are devoid in recognition of these influences. Not unexpectedly, you base an analysis on a point in time without considering the bigger picture. Certainly by employing a narrow focus and ignoring the pertinent variables, you make an argument. Problem is, the argument is baseless.
Trudeau was too arrogant to fully and clearly admit as much... For that matter, the liberal party would never allow that to be published knowing that it would kill the already damaged party.
Trudeau's saving grace was that he was the last Prime Minister who was an economic nationalist. The steady decline in Canadian industry and sovereignty was enacted by Mulroney (with the FTA), and has been advanced by every PM since that.
Trudeau's great mistake was the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, an anathema to a Parliamentary system. That put the moral structure of our society into the hands of courts and judges. The courts of course are filled with political hacks and intellectual mediocrities (none more mediocre the the CJC of Canada, Beverly McLachlan), not responsible or answerable to the people whose moral standards they now dictate, informed only by amorphous and ethereal vanities of 'individual rights'.. without the rigour of obligations to the whole.
Trudeau likely didn't know the Charter would be used to legitimize such caustic wounds as abortion, homosexual 'marriage' on our nation. He was fixated on Quebec and considered the Charter a bullwark against arbitrary separation. But it is now being used to dissolve the natural constitutional order of our society.. and that is on his ticket.. and it is cancerous.
That is your opinion, Captain. In my opinion, Trudeau left in honour, at the end of a long, illustrious and distinguished political career, with achievements that other PMs could only dream of (repatriating the constitution and implementing the Charter).
The reality is that any political leader, regardless of political affiliation or nation 'inherits' a situation. The kicker on your example does not recognize the economic environment(s).
Sure he does, Captain, but that cannot be used as an excuse. Chrétien also inherited a mess, a worse one than Mulroney did. Yet he was able to fix the economy. The fact that Mulroney inherited a situation may buy him one or two years. But eight years? No way, the mess he left at the end of eight years is entirely his fault.
Sometimes people will give a new leader some grace period. Nobody argues that Obama inherited a truly horrendous situation. American people will give him one or two years of grace. However, if by say mid 2010 the economy is not on the mend, Obama’s party will pay dearly at the 2010 elections.
That excuse carries a politician only so far.
Sure he does, Captain, but that cannot be used as an excuse. Chrétien also inherited a mess, a worse one than Mulroney did. Yet he was able to fix the economy. The fact that Mulroney inherited a situation may buy him one or two years. But eight years? No way, the mess he left at the end of eight years is entirely his fault.
Sometimes people will give a new leader some grace period. Nobody argues that Obama inherited a truly horrendous situation. American people will give him one or two years of grace. However, if by say mid 2010 the economy is not on the mend, Obama’s party will pay dearly at the 2010 elections.
That excuse carries a politician only so far.
Trudeau's great mistake was the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, an anathema to a Parliamentary system
Are you kidding, Coldstream? Charter was the best thing Trudeau ever did (indeed, any PM ever did). Take away the Charter and repatriation of constitution and what does Trudeau have left? Nothing. Minus the Charter and the constitution, Trudeau would have been as bad as Mulroney.
Trudeau likely didn't know the Charter would be used to legitimize such caustic wounds as abortion, homosexual 'marriage' on our nation.
Perhaps not. But if he had realized that indeed that is how the Charter was going to be used, he would have been happy indeed. And courts legalized issues such as abortion, gay rights, while Trudeau was alive, he never spoke out against them. He was a strong believer in getting the government out of peoples’ bedrooms. Nothing would have made him happier that the knowledge that Charter would be used to get the government out of the business of legislating morality.
Are you kidding, Coldstream? Charter was the best thing Trudeau ever did (indeed, any PM ever did). Take away the Charter and repatriation of constitution and what does Trudeau have left? Nothing. Minus the Charter and the constitution, Trudeau would have been as bad as Mulroney.
Trudeau likely didn't know the Charter would be used to legitimize such caustic wounds as abortion, homosexual 'marriage' on our nation.
Perhaps not. But if he had realized that indeed that is how the Charter was going to be used, he would have been happy indeed. And courts legalized issues such as abortion, gay rights, while Trudeau was alive, he never spoke out against them. He was a strong believer in getting the government out of peoples’ bedrooms. Nothing would have made him happier that the knowledge that Charter would be used to get the government out of the business of legislating morality.
Trudeaumania
Sara Jordan Publishing
Trudeaumania ...
Pearson left, he was tired,
Though he still was much admired...
Though he still was much admired...
Trudeaumania ...like a whirlwind he came flyin'.
Trudeaumania ...he was an intellectual giant.
Trudeaumania ...he was an intellectual giant.
He was hip. He was smooth.
Just a bachelor on the move....
Just a bachelor on the move....
Trudeaumania ...people screaming, shouting, cryin'.
Trudeaumania ...dazzling voters without tryin'.
Trudeaumania ...dazzling voters without tryin'.
Bridge
He came from Quebec,
But his attitude was this...
But his attitude was this...
All regions with an equal voice,
None better than the rest...
None better than the rest...
Trudeaumania ...
He got English. He got French.
He got both sides officially entrenched...
He got both sides officially entrenched...
Trudeaumania then came the FLQ Crisis
Showed terrorists no compromises.
Showed terrorists no compromises.
In his time, inflation rose,
He brought in Wage and Price Controls...
He brought in Wage and Price Controls...
Trudeaumania ...married Margaret, caused a scadal.
She was young and hard to handle.
She was young and hard to handle.
Bridge
By 1979 though, his government lost it's fire
His party was defeated, he made plans to retire...
His party was defeated, he made plans to retire...
Joe Clark, from Alberta,
He now held the key...
Prime Minister, you see.
He now held the key...
Prime Minister, you see.
He had one major goal.
He believed with all his soul...
He believed with all his soul...
Trudeaumania ...to bring it home from Great Britain
Canada's own. It was only fittin'.
Canada's own. It was only fittin'.
By the year '82,
He'd done all that he could do...
He'd done all that he could do...
Trudeaumania his accomplishment inspiring.
Time was right to be retiring.
Time was right to be retiring.
John Turner then took over,
Canadians knew him well....
Canadians knew him well....
Trudeaumania, Trudeaumania
God I pray he takes up flying like JFK Jr. Or skiing, like Micheal Trudeau.Wednesday October 15, 2008
Canada’s future PM, Justin Trudeau
Hey Kreskin Ye, especially talking like this while the enemy are watching and listening, that, in my opinion is political testicular fortitude. BIG POLITICAL BALLS.
Plus he did what he said "just whatch me"
His remarks about terrorists sound much like Bush's remarks after 9/11, funny how it was the same man who later gave so many rights to criminals.