But who likes him now? Probably just Nazis and their fascist suporters.
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But who likes him now? Probably just Nazis and their fascist suporters.
Trudeau was no gem...
William Lyon MacKenzie King........Way down there!
What does it say about the Canadian people that these were our two longest-serving PMs??????????
R.B. Bennett
You can rank them as "awful" in any way you like....
Joe Clark....but mercifully short-lived.....
William Lyon MacKenzie King........Way down there!
What does it say about the Canadian people that these were our two longest-serving PMs??????????
R.B. Bennett
You can rank them as "awful" in any way you like....
Joe Clark....but mercifully short-lived.....
Trudeau was definitely worse than Harper, not to mention more arrogant as far as Mulroney and Trudeau went, Mulroney was a little better- he didn't hold office as long.
What is interesting here JLM, following your train of thought, the question is born,
Why Trudeau when he died millions upon millions of people across Canada held mourning gatherings in the streets of Ottawa to say fair well, to a man that had great vision for his country.
Arrogant? ye maybe he was a tad, but looking at the time and the adversaries he was facing with the FLQ crisis, that, probably would make me also very arrogant to show anyone planning bad for the country will not be tolerated.
As for Mulroney, we witnessed during the end of his term people were placing dolls in the back window of their cars with a doll that resembled Mulroney and rope around his neck, so......................Trudeau to Mulroney comparison millions mourned Trudeau farewell and millions wanted to see Mulroney hung.
Harper also 1 1/2 terms and nothing but debt and deceptive political games.
We don’t know that, TenPenny. Perhaps she was stupid to the extent that she agreed to become PM after Mulroney, agreed to be the sacrificial lamb. That is like volunteering to use the bathroom after somebody who is known to leave the bathroom in a very stinky state.
However, we really didn’t know much about her policies, her positions, how capable she was at governing etc. People were really mad at Mulroney and they were going to punish Tories and Campbell (because Mulroney wasn’t there to take his punishment).
She may well have been a good PM, we will never know, she didn’t get a chance.
Right wingers are just pissy because the majority of Canadians liked Trudeau, even before the spending. I am hard pressed to think of a conservative Canadians liked even half that much. Nice pieces of objective journalism China.
Well said, DichotoMe. Trudeau was well liked right up to his death, the last approval rating I saw was in the high 60s.
I think people by and large have forgotten about his mismanagement of the economy and only remember the enormous contribution he made to Canadian society in the form of Charter and Constitution.
Well said, DichotoMe. Trudeau was well liked right up to his death, the last approval rating I saw was in the high 60s.
I think people by and large have forgotten about his mismanagement of the economy and only remember the enormous contribution he made to Canadian society in the form of Charter and Constitution.
Totally inappropriate comparison, Captain. You are comparing Trudeau to Hitler? Be ashamed.
Anyway, is Hitler popular, well liked now? Trudeau is still enormously popular (as DichotoMe) mentioned. And I think Trudeau will continue to be well liked. The contribution he made to Canada in the form of Constitution and the Charter was priceless (and not valueless).
Good day to you Sir Joseph Porter, the truth is when she became Prime Minister, she did not tell the Canadian people, look the Conservative Party needs major overall and my vision is such and such.
She had no vision, she had the mean Tory streak in her the way she would confront criticism from the media and good thing she did not do further damage to the country being her stay was a short one.
I disagree with you about Chrétien, Coldstream. Any PM who can turn the economy around, turn 40 billion plus deficit into a 10 billion plus surplus (and gets three back to back majorities as a result) cannot possibly be the worst PM ever, no way.
The criteria would be those who have sold out Canadian's birthright and economy to the pirates of international finance, and disassembled the moral structure of our society through abortion, homosexual affirmation, 'multiculturism'.
In my opinion, that is what makes a good PM, not a bad PM.
I agree Socrates, but she was in a difficult position. There really was no way to salvage the PC party after the damage that Mulroney had done. Nothing that she could have done would had been good enough.
So she wasn’t really tested, we don’t know how good she really was. Now if she had become the PM in place of Harper, we would know whether she was capable or not. But coming after Mulroney she was damned before she started.
You don't give yourself any credit Cliffy, your comments are much more ridiculous than anyone else's posts.
The comment wasn't equating Trudeau to Hitler, it was a response to DichotoME stating that Trudeau was popular.. For the record, Hitler was popular at one point as well.
As far as trudeau is currently considered? It seems that there are many people, analysts, writers and the general population that are jumping on the Trudeau-was-an-incompetent-boob bandwagon... His legacy is not favorable, he's associated with developing a massive debt, dividing the nation and supporting utopian ideals that are still being paid for today.
The constitution/charter is a joke and further, for one that praised the independence that it woul;d achieve from the Brits, he never had the balls to cut the ties all together.
The easiest way to assess his magnamity is to analyze his life after politics... Nothing - he dissolved into the mists of time immediately after leaving office.
Just to go on a more positive tone, I'd like to nominate Robert Stanfield as the best party leader to never be elected PM.
I'll give Stockwell Day the "Whew We Really Dodged a Bullet on that One Award"
I'll give Stockwell Day the "Whew We Really Dodged a Bullet on that One Award"
I attended a performance of ‘The Gondoliers’ (a Gilbert and Sullivan opera) at the Stratford Festival a few years ago. There they had changed the lyrics of one song completely, and made it into a song about the beloved Pierre Trudeau.
I thought posters here may be interested in the song, so I am going to reproduce it here. First the original song:
SONG--DON ALHAMBRA, with MARCO and GIUSEPPE.
DON AL. There lived a King, as I've been told,
In the wonder-working days of old,
When hearts were twice as good as gold,
And twenty times as mellow.
Good-temper triumphed in his face,
And in his heart he found a place
For all the erring human race
And every wretched fellow.
When he had Rhenish wine to drink
It made him very sad to think
That some, at junket or at jink,
Must be content with toddy.
MAR. and GIU. With toddy, must be content with toddy.
DON AL. He wished all men as rich as he
(And he was rich as rich could be),
So to the top of every tree
Promoted everybody.
MAR. and GIU. Now, that's the kind of King for me.
He wished all men as rich as he,
So to the top of every tree
Promoted everybody!
DON AL. Lord Chancellors were cheap as sprats,
And Bishops in their shovel hats
Were plentiful as tabby cats--
In point of fact, too many.
Ambassadors cropped up like hay,
Prime Ministers and such as they
Grew like asparagus in May,
And Dukes were three a penny.
On every side Field-Marshals gleamed,
Small beer were Lords-Lieutenant deemed,
With Admirals the ocean teemed
All round his wide dominions.
MAR. and GIU. With Admirals all round his wide dominions.
DON AL. And Party Leaders you might meet
In twos and threes in every street
Maintaining, with no little heat,
Their various opinions.
MAR. and GIU. Now that's a sight you couldn't beat--
Two Party Leaders in each street
Maintaining, with no little heat,
Their various opinions.
DON AL. That King, although no one denies
His heart was of abnormal size,
Yet he'd have acted otherwise
If he had been acuter.
The end is easily foretold,
When every blessed thing you hold
Is made of silver, or of gold,
You long for simple pewter.
When you have nothing else to wear
But cloth of gold and satins rare,
For cloth of gold you cease to care--
Up goes the price of shoddy.
MAR. and GIU. Of shoddy, up goes the price of shoddy.
DON AL. In short, whoever you may be,
To this conclusion you'll agree,
When every one is somebodee,
Then no one's anybody!
MAR. and GIU. Now that's as plain as plain can be,
To this conclusion we agree--
ALL. When every one is somebodee,
Then no one's anybody!
I thought posters here may be interested in the song, so I am going to reproduce it here. First the original song:
SONG--DON ALHAMBRA, with MARCO and GIUSEPPE.
DON AL. There lived a King, as I've been told,
In the wonder-working days of old,
When hearts were twice as good as gold,
And twenty times as mellow.
Good-temper triumphed in his face,
And in his heart he found a place
For all the erring human race
And every wretched fellow.
When he had Rhenish wine to drink
It made him very sad to think
That some, at junket or at jink,
Must be content with toddy.
MAR. and GIU. With toddy, must be content with toddy.
DON AL. He wished all men as rich as he
(And he was rich as rich could be),
So to the top of every tree
Promoted everybody.
MAR. and GIU. Now, that's the kind of King for me.
He wished all men as rich as he,
So to the top of every tree
Promoted everybody!
DON AL. Lord Chancellors were cheap as sprats,
And Bishops in their shovel hats
Were plentiful as tabby cats--
In point of fact, too many.
Ambassadors cropped up like hay,
Prime Ministers and such as they
Grew like asparagus in May,
And Dukes were three a penny.
On every side Field-Marshals gleamed,
Small beer were Lords-Lieutenant deemed,
With Admirals the ocean teemed
All round his wide dominions.
MAR. and GIU. With Admirals all round his wide dominions.
DON AL. And Party Leaders you might meet
In twos and threes in every street
Maintaining, with no little heat,
Their various opinions.
MAR. and GIU. Now that's a sight you couldn't beat--
Two Party Leaders in each street
Maintaining, with no little heat,
Their various opinions.
DON AL. That King, although no one denies
His heart was of abnormal size,
Yet he'd have acted otherwise
If he had been acuter.
The end is easily foretold,
When every blessed thing you hold
Is made of silver, or of gold,
You long for simple pewter.
When you have nothing else to wear
But cloth of gold and satins rare,
For cloth of gold you cease to care--
Up goes the price of shoddy.
MAR. and GIU. Of shoddy, up goes the price of shoddy.
DON AL. In short, whoever you may be,
To this conclusion you'll agree,
When every one is somebodee,
Then no one's anybody!
MAR. and GIU. Now that's as plain as plain can be,
To this conclusion we agree--
ALL. When every one is somebodee,
Then no one's anybody!
Here is the song with the changed lyrics. I thought the song was great.
SONG--DON ALHAMBRA, with MARCO and GIUSEPPE.
DON AL. There lived a King, as I've been told,
In the wonder-working days of old,
When hearts were twice as good as gold,
And twenty times as mellow.
Charisma triumphed in his face,
Though arrogant he found a place
For all the loving human race
And every voting fellow.
When new elections gave him pause
He fought for every upright cause
And promised to reform the laws
For most of them were shoddy
MAR. and GIU. Shoddy, most of them were shoddy
DON AL. Most franchised voters changed their hats
(The Tories and New Democrats)
Were blinded by his smart cravat
And his brilliant education
DON AL. His new regime had sunlit days
Society was just they say
And all rushed off without delay
For his coronation
New roads were built construction spread
The state was banished from the bed
And paradise lay just ahead
Or so said all his minions
DON AL. As years went by his charms were down
His smile replaced by shrug and frown
But still he kept his golden crown
With the help of eastern voters
Recessions came depressions went
Interest rates rose nineteen percent
And scandals racked his government
But still he retained promoters
DON AL. Some said they thought he would hear the call
To quit his throne for Montreal
But he stood fast withstood them all
Surprising everybody
The end is easily foretold
When every novelty grows old
All that glitters is not gold
It’s the same old story
When party leaders promise much
You should suspect their friendly touch
And don’t forget your treat is Dutch
It all costs everybody
In short whatever king you see
Be sure to trace his family tree
For Prime Ministers are bourgeoisie
And just like anybody
Now that is plain as plain can be
To this conclusion you will agree
That Prime Ministers are bourgeoisie
And just like anybody
SONG--DON ALHAMBRA, with MARCO and GIUSEPPE.
DON AL. There lived a King, as I've been told,
In the wonder-working days of old,
When hearts were twice as good as gold,
And twenty times as mellow.
Charisma triumphed in his face,
Though arrogant he found a place
For all the loving human race
And every voting fellow.
When new elections gave him pause
He fought for every upright cause
And promised to reform the laws
For most of them were shoddy
MAR. and GIU. Shoddy, most of them were shoddy
DON AL. Most franchised voters changed their hats
(The Tories and New Democrats)
Were blinded by his smart cravat
And his brilliant education
DON AL. His new regime had sunlit days
Society was just they say
And all rushed off without delay
For his coronation
New roads were built construction spread
The state was banished from the bed
And paradise lay just ahead
Or so said all his minions
DON AL. As years went by his charms were down
His smile replaced by shrug and frown
But still he kept his golden crown
With the help of eastern voters
Recessions came depressions went
Interest rates rose nineteen percent
And scandals racked his government
But still he retained promoters
DON AL. Some said they thought he would hear the call
To quit his throne for Montreal
But he stood fast withstood them all
Surprising everybody
The end is easily foretold
When every novelty grows old
All that glitters is not gold
It’s the same old story
When party leaders promise much
You should suspect their friendly touch
And don’t forget your treat is Dutch
It all costs everybody
In short whatever king you see
Be sure to trace his family tree
For Prime Ministers are bourgeoisie
And just like anybody
Now that is plain as plain can be
To this conclusion you will agree
That Prime Ministers are bourgeoisie
And just like anybody
I think the main difference between Trudeau and Mulroney was that a lot more people saw through Mulroney, where as probably a smaller percentage of us saw through Trudeau. So I suppose Trudeau WAS a little slicker.
As far as trudeau is currently considered? It seems that there are many people, analysts, writers and the general population that are jumping on the Trudeau-was-an-incompetent-boob bandwagon... His legacy is not favorable, he's associated with developing a massive debt, dividing the nation and supporting utopian ideals that are still being paid for today.
You have got hold of wrong end of the stick, Captain. Legacy is not made from economic performance. Hundred years from now nobody will remember that Mulroney put the economy in a ditch and Chrétien rescued it. Both Mulroney and Chrétien will be forgotten, neither of them have done anything of a lasting legacy (Mulroney may possibly be remembered for the GST).
However, Trudeau will be remembered for repatriating the constitution and for giving us the Charter. That is part of the lasting legacy which will endure as long as Canada endures.
You have got hold of wrong end of the stick, Captain. Legacy is not made from economic performance. Hundred years from now nobody will remember that Mulroney put the economy in a ditch and Chrétien rescued it. Both Mulroney and Chrétien will be forgotten, neither of them have done anything of a lasting legacy (Mulroney may possibly be remembered for the GST).
However, Trudeau will be remembered for repatriating the constitution and for giving us the Charter. That is part of the lasting legacy which will endure as long as Canada endures.