Canada will not shy from using force, Harper warns world dictators
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The few that I have worked on did not have heaters. Or tunes. Not much fun when there is ice.
Excellent news!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Guess what?
Quebec is only a tail, and it is no longer wagging the Canadian dog..........even less so once the new 30 seats in Ontario Alberta and BC are in...........
Look around at the ROC.....your view of what is Canadian has been twisted by your proximity to Quebec........
Political power has shifted westward.....where the idea of a confident, strong Canada taking its place on the world stage is a popular one.......
Sunday, 27 February 2011 23:53
Libya's Gadhafi threatened to nationalize Petro-Canada operations.
From the Winnipeg Free Press - Jan 31, 2011
by Jim Bronskill
OTTAWA - A newly leaked U.S. diplomatic note says Libya threatened to nationalize Petro-Canada's operations in the North African country over a spat with the Conservative government.
It's the latest revelation in a bizarre international saga that first grabbed headlines two years ago.
Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi cancelled a late September 2009 stopover in Newfoundland after Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon promised a tongue-lashing for the hero's welcome Libya extended to a man convicted in the Lockerbie bombing.
The U.S. cable, obtained from WikiLeaks by British newspaper the Daily Telegraph, says Libya's state oil company called in a senior Petro-Canada official with a threat to nationalize the firm's operations in Libya if Canada did not apologize.
At the time, Petro-Canada had just merged with fellow Canadian oil giant Suncor.
The cable says Canada's ambassador to Libya, Sandra McCardell — whose name is misspelled throughout — told the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli the Libyans demanded the apology within 24 hours.
"McArdle said she has advocated some kind of public and private statements from the Canadian (prime minister) and (foreign minister), which would indicate a Canadian welcome for the Libyans and hopefully turn the situation around," the cable says.
"Libyans here are frantically calling the Canadian Embassy, concerned that if the issue is not resolved, Gadhafi's trip home will be complicated by lack of a place to stop for necessary refuelling."
The Sept. 28, 2009, cable also says McCardell told her U.S. counterpart that Ottawa had initially planned to refuse the eccentric Gadhafi permission to stop on Sept. 29-30 in Newfoundland en route to Spain from the United Nations.
"On instructions from Ottawa, McArdle said that she informed the Libyan government in mid-September that Gadhafi was not welcome to visit Canada at this time," the cable says.
It adds that McCardell, who had just arrived in Tripoli and had not yet presented her diplomatic credentials, seriously believed she could become persona non grata or have her agreement revoked.
"Fearful of delivering bad news to Gadhafi, McArdle explained that the notoriously slow Libyan bureaucracy delayed passing Ottawa's message to the Leader for several days."
In the meantime, Canadian companies with business interests in Libya "launched a furious lobbying effort" and persuaded Stephen Harper's Conservative government to allow the trip to go forward, the note says.
"However, McArdle said that the Canadian government's precarious domestic situation and upcoming elections pressed the Foreign Minister (Cannon) to go public with his very stern message."
Though Gadhafi's government did not follow through on its apparent threat to take over Petro-Canada's operations, a second WikiLeaks cable obtained by the Daily Telegraph indicates it doled out a milder punishment.
The Libyan government issued an order Sept. 30, 2009, forcing Petro-Canada and its operator, Libya's Hrouj company, to cut production by 50 per cent, the note says.
The move came less than a day after McCardell had told the U.S. ambassador that she and Libya's foreign minister had settled the issue.
The U.S. cable says while reasons for the production cut were unknown, a source whose name is excised from the note "intimated that the order had come from the highest levels, i.e. Moammar Gadhafi himself."
The move may be a "cheap" way for the Libyans to punish Petro-Canada for Ottawa's gruff words, it adds.
Diplomats from Britain and Italy, nations with significant investments in Libya, appeared unsettled by the news, the note says.
Indeed, the earlier cable reveals both Britain and the United States were prepared to intervene on Petro-Canada's behalf "to emphasize that it is not good for Libya to threaten existing and potential investors and violate the sanctity of contracts with such abandon."
"The situation between the Libyans and the Canadians reflects vintage Libyan policy to strike hard at any quarter that insults the Leader publicly."
In October 2009, Libya retaliated further, making it clear that Canadian travellers were not welcome in the country by refusing to grant visitor visas.
Isn't it Suncor/Petro-Can in trouble in Syria these days? Why?
Canadian firms look to restart Libyan operations
OTTAWA—Canadian companies are plotting their return to Libya as the revolution that ousted dictator Moammar Gadhafi takes hold and the world plans its support for the new rebel authority.
The first hurdle to international firms wishing to capitalize on Libya’s oil could fall toward the end of this week when economic sanctions put in place in February to choke off the regime could be lifted.
Flowing from that will be a careful political and security assessment by multinationals to ensure it’s safe to send tens of thousands of foreign workers back into the war-ravaged country.
When the crisis began in Libya, multinational firms scrambled to get their employees to safety in Egypt and Tunisia. Refugee camps sprung up in the country and western militaries were called in to run evacuation flights.
“As I’m sure you would expect, we’re watching the situation extremely carefully and waiting to see how it all unfolds,” said Kelli Stevens, a spokesperson with Calgary-based Suncor.
“The biggest thing is that if we were to go back we would want to do so safely, responsibly, in compliance with sanctions.”
The energy firm, working in partnership with the state-owned National Oil Corporation, was producing about 50,000 barrels of oil a day before the uprising.
Though it looks like the chairman of the state oil agency has since fled the country, and the NOC hasn’t been producing oil since early March, Stevens said “it certainly exists as an entity.”
“We have what’s called exploration and production sharing agreements,” she said. “That’s been the basis for our business in the past and we look for it to be the same in the future.”
Reports have suggested that oil sanctions could be lifted as early as Friday, following a meeting of world leaders Thursday evening in Paris to discuss the transition to democracy in Libya with the interim National Transitional Council.
In Paris, a number of companies are planning to meet next week with France’s ambassador to Libya and the rebel council’s envoy to France to discuss business opportunities for firms as the country rebuilds.
The rebel envoy to Canada, Abubaker Karmos, said the priority must be on unfreezing Gadhafi’s funds that were seized around the world under the authority of the United Nations Security Council sanctions. He told the CBC there is up to $170 billion frozen in banks around the world that needs to be released so that the Libyan people can receive the services they have gone without over the last six months.
“People need food, people have been without wages for almost five or six months. Tripoli has been without running water for the last five or six days. There’s no electricity, shortages of fuel, shortages of medical supplies,” Karmos said. “We really need the money to stabilize the main cities and we can take it from there.”
A spokesperson for Montreal’s SNC Lavalin, which was working on an irrigation project and building a prison and airport when the uprising began, said they’re still monitoring the situation in Libya.
“For the moment, our position is unchanged. Our projects are still on hold, and we intend to return to Libya once the situation is resolved and diplomatic relations are re-established,” said Leslie Quinton.
Harper backed al Qaeda even tried to attack Canadians....
World News: Canadian oil workers safe after fleeing into Libyan desert - thestar.com
Libya's Gadhafi threatened to nationalize Petro-Canada operations.
From the Winnipeg Free Press - Jan 31, 2011
by Jim Bronskill
OTTAWA - A newly leaked U.S. diplomatic note says Libya threatened to nationalize Petro-Canada's operations in the North African country over a spat with the Conservative government.
It's the latest revelation in a bizarre international saga that first grabbed headlines two years ago.
Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi cancelled a late September 2009 stopover in Newfoundland after Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon promised a tongue-lashing for the hero's welcome Libya extended to a man convicted in the Lockerbie bombing.
The U.S. cable, obtained from WikiLeaks by British newspaper the Daily Telegraph, says Libya's state oil company called in a senior Petro-Canada official with a threat to nationalize the firm's operations in Libya if Canada did not apologize.
At the time, Petro-Canada had just merged with fellow Canadian oil giant Suncor.
The cable says Canada's ambassador to Libya, Sandra McCardell — whose name is misspelled throughout — told the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli the Libyans demanded the apology within 24 hours.
"McArdle said she has advocated some kind of public and private statements from the Canadian (prime minister) and (foreign minister), which would indicate a Canadian welcome for the Libyans and hopefully turn the situation around," the cable says.
"Libyans here are frantically calling the Canadian Embassy, concerned that if the issue is not resolved, Gadhafi's trip home will be complicated by lack of a place to stop for necessary refuelling."
The Sept. 28, 2009, cable also says McCardell told her U.S. counterpart that Ottawa had initially planned to refuse the eccentric Gadhafi permission to stop on Sept. 29-30 in Newfoundland en route to Spain from the United Nations.
"On instructions from Ottawa, McArdle said that she informed the Libyan government in mid-September that Gadhafi was not welcome to visit Canada at this time," the cable says.
It adds that McCardell, who had just arrived in Tripoli and had not yet presented her diplomatic credentials, seriously believed she could become persona non grata or have her agreement revoked.
"Fearful of delivering bad news to Gadhafi, McArdle explained that the notoriously slow Libyan bureaucracy delayed passing Ottawa's message to the Leader for several days."
In the meantime, Canadian companies with business interests in Libya "launched a furious lobbying effort" and persuaded Stephen Harper's Conservative government to allow the trip to go forward, the note says.
"However, McArdle said that the Canadian government's precarious domestic situation and upcoming elections pressed the Foreign Minister (Cannon) to go public with his very stern message."
Though Gadhafi's government did not follow through on its apparent threat to take over Petro-Canada's operations, a second WikiLeaks cable obtained by the Daily Telegraph indicates it doled out a milder punishment.
The Libyan government issued an order Sept. 30, 2009, forcing Petro-Canada and its operator, Libya's Hrouj company, to cut production by 50 per cent, the note says.
The move came less than a day after McCardell had told the U.S. ambassador that she and Libya's foreign minister had settled the issue.
The U.S. cable says while reasons for the production cut were unknown, a source whose name is excised from the note "intimated that the order had come from the highest levels, i.e. Moammar Gadhafi himself."
The move may be a "cheap" way for the Libyans to punish Petro-Canada for Ottawa's gruff words, it adds.
Diplomats from Britain and Italy, nations with significant investments in Libya, appeared unsettled by the news, the note says.
Indeed, the earlier cable reveals both Britain and the United States were prepared to intervene on Petro-Canada's behalf "to emphasize that it is not good for Libya to threaten existing and potential investors and violate the sanctity of contracts with such abandon."
"The situation between the Libyans and the Canadians reflects vintage Libyan policy to strike hard at any quarter that insults the Leader publicly."
In October 2009, Libya retaliated further, making it clear that Canadian travellers were not welcome in the country by refusing to grant visitor visas.
Isn't it Suncor/Petro-Can in trouble in Syria these days? Why?
Canadian firms look to restart Libyan operations
OTTAWA—Canadian companies are plotting their return to Libya as the revolution that ousted dictator Moammar Gadhafi takes hold and the world plans its support for the new rebel authority.
The first hurdle to international firms wishing to capitalize on Libya’s oil could fall toward the end of this week when economic sanctions put in place in February to choke off the regime could be lifted.
Flowing from that will be a careful political and security assessment by multinationals to ensure it’s safe to send tens of thousands of foreign workers back into the war-ravaged country.
When the crisis began in Libya, multinational firms scrambled to get their employees to safety in Egypt and Tunisia. Refugee camps sprung up in the country and western militaries were called in to run evacuation flights.
“As I’m sure you would expect, we’re watching the situation extremely carefully and waiting to see how it all unfolds,” said Kelli Stevens, a spokesperson with Calgary-based Suncor.
“The biggest thing is that if we were to go back we would want to do so safely, responsibly, in compliance with sanctions.”
The energy firm, working in partnership with the state-owned National Oil Corporation, was producing about 50,000 barrels of oil a day before the uprising.
Though it looks like the chairman of the state oil agency has since fled the country, and the NOC hasn’t been producing oil since early March, Stevens said “it certainly exists as an entity.”
“We have what’s called exploration and production sharing agreements,” she said. “That’s been the basis for our business in the past and we look for it to be the same in the future.”
Reports have suggested that oil sanctions could be lifted as early as Friday, following a meeting of world leaders Thursday evening in Paris to discuss the transition to democracy in Libya with the interim National Transitional Council.
In Paris, a number of companies are planning to meet next week with France’s ambassador to Libya and the rebel council’s envoy to France to discuss business opportunities for firms as the country rebuilds.
The rebel envoy to Canada, Abubaker Karmos, said the priority must be on unfreezing Gadhafi’s funds that were seized around the world under the authority of the United Nations Security Council sanctions. He told the CBC there is up to $170 billion frozen in banks around the world that needs to be released so that the Libyan people can receive the services they have gone without over the last six months.
“People need food, people have been without wages for almost five or six months. Tripoli has been without running water for the last five or six days. There’s no electricity, shortages of fuel, shortages of medical supplies,” Karmos said. “We really need the money to stabilize the main cities and we can take it from there.”
A spokesperson for Montreal’s SNC Lavalin, which was working on an irrigation project and building a prison and airport when the uprising began, said they’re still monitoring the situation in Libya.
“For the moment, our position is unchanged. Our projects are still on hold, and we intend to return to Libya once the situation is resolved and diplomatic relations are re-established,” said Leslie Quinton.
Harper backed al Qaeda even tried to attack Canadians....
World News: Canadian oil workers safe after fleeing into Libyan desert - thestar.com
My goodness and they still have Gadhaffi to catch and ???lynch, and have not cleaned up the blood and human parts from the streets.Let alone ensure that the basic infrastructure is working to make sure food, and other essentials are available to the Libyans. Or have they forgotten already who they were saving from the G-regime??
No surprise that Harper is in their like a dirty shirt.
No surprise that Harper is in their like a dirty shirt.
While it's popular (and perhaps expected from some) to show your balls to the bad guys, I can't see a threat from Canada or any other small military to be taken very seriously. Sure we might appreciate the political and emotional sentiment but that's as far as it's going.
We're still standing behind some pretty burly dudes when we say this.
Mind you, if Steve-o took his shirt off and came over as Putinesque, well ok. Otherwise, mantitz and pasty white ain't cuttin' it.
Maybe we need an aircraft carrier again.
We're still standing behind some pretty burly dudes when we say this.
Mind you, if Steve-o took his shirt off and came over as Putinesque, well ok. Otherwise, mantitz and pasty white ain't cuttin' it.
Maybe we need an aircraft carrier again.
One of the rare time's I felt pride in being Canadian in my life, was when Jean Chretien told the USA to go **** themself in IRAQ.
Harper in this coment sounds like USA's Dog withought a medal.
The whole West of Canada might as well join the USA. then at least you would have a medal.
Harper in this coment sounds like USA's Dog withought a medal.
The whole West of Canada might as well join the USA. then at least you would have a medal.
You keep dogging my peeps dude.While it's popular (and perhaps expected from some) to show your balls to the bad guys, I can't see a threat from Canada or any other small military to be taken very seriously. Sure we might appreciate the political and emotional sentiment but that's as far as it's going.
We're still standing behind some pretty burly dudes when we say this.
Mind you, if Steve-o took his shirt off and came over as Putinesque, well ok. Otherwise, mantitz and pasty white ain't cuttin' it.
Maybe we need an aircraft carrier again.
Can you provide a quote for that?
While you're at it, can you tell me what "Canadian like" is?
To me he sounds like Lester B. Pearson.
Japan needs a medal?
I want to know what medal we would get. He mentioned that we would get a medal if we got all West of Canada and also that Harper sounded like the USAs Dog "withought" a medal. I assumed he meant "without."
Easy. Molsons, a snowmobile and a barbed wire fence. You'll be a three piece Canadian but still very Canadian.
I don't drink, I have a snowmobile, and I don't get the barbwire fence reference.
Am I doomed to be unCanadian like forever now?
