Canada spending $850 million per year to settle immigrants, stop the madness

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But this does not add up to the 225,000 + immigrants that we are supposed to immigrate either.
Maybe the 225k number includes all family members ???

Here's the link for 56% family class.

Canada's immigration levels won't jump drastically, Kenney says

"Only 30 per cent of Canadian immigrants are economic migrants, people selected on the basis of their necessary skills or arranged employment offer, Kenney notes. Another 30 per cent are the spouses or dependents of these individuals and 26 per cent are immigrants from family class while 14 per cent are refugees."


You damn near got a thumbs up from me, if it hadn't been for the highlighted section of BS.

I don't know how Israel got into this debate.

Just because you are against immigration doesn't make you a bigot. Tha't what Gordon Brown said about a women he met during the election campaign, which made a large contribtuion to him losing the election. Unless you agree with pro-immigration crowd, you are a bigot? I don't think so. Right now, so many pro-immigration advocates don't want any restrictions, just let it run wild, they are reckless fools.

Immigration like everythng else has to be managed rationally, not for the beneifit of lobbyists, business, or the white guilt crowd.
 

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So over half the immigrants that come here, are based on family connections, not whether they have the skills to work here. So they need settlement money to adjust, and some get it forever being seniors.

Economic immigrants use settlement services too and family class immigrants need to be sponsored (i.e. paid for by their family in Canada), though they do use settlement services. One thing that isn't provided for immigrants (or even citizens) is free or affordable childcare. I've spoken to several family class mothers who explained that their reasons for remaining unemployed was to take care of their children. If they work, they often say, all the money they made would go to daycare.

Now, I'm not saying the government should provide daycare and while I am in favour of restricting family class acceptance to spouses and children only, you know who often provides free child care for working immigrant parents? Those dastardly seniors you've all been bitching about.


For the math challenged, because we seem to have so many here who are...that's 65.3% Economic class, 22.3 % Family class, and 12.4% Humanitarian class. In other words, the majority come here with a job already.

It's not true that economic class immigrants have jobs when they arrive. They have employable skills when they arrive but not always the language skills or the recognized credentials. I know people with PhDs who are unemployed or work for minimum wage.
 

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You damn near got a thumbs up from me, if it hadn't been for the highlighted section of BS.
Israel practices religious discrimination resulting in many injustices, great and small. Non-Jews don't have the same rights as Jews regarding housing, education, medical care, freedom of movement, access to water...

I don't have the time to analyze their data but I have two questions about it. Where was the study done and does it include costs incurred by other levels of government like ESL that is paid from school taxes and perhaps taxpayer subsidized transit. I suspect that there is a huge difference between services used by immigrants in Toronto as opposed to Vancouver.
Don't forget immigrants come here with an education. Schools and universities aren't cheap.
 

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Here's the link for 56% family class.



"Only 30 per cent of Canadian immigrants are economic migrants, people selected on the basis of their necessary skills or arranged employment offer, Kenney notes. Another 30 per cent are the spouses or dependents of these individuals and 26 per cent are immigrants from family class while 14 per cent are refugees."
You math is ****ed. No wonder you can't find a job. 30+30+26=86% who are not on the dole. The other 14% are the ones who tape up the "Help wanted" sign at the Tim's that hired them where you go to drink coffee and complain you can't find work.

 

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As long and the unemployment rate is high (8-15%) in this country immigration should stop, immigrant services, and family "reunification" program abolished..
 

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Don't forget immigrants come here with an education. Schools and universities aren't cheap.
The third world country immigrants that come here and claim they have such great education, you soon find out after working with them for a while that their education is hardly above our high school level here. The university level they claim they achieved is often, again hardly equivalent to our tech schools. In addition, they are not familiar with our design standards, codes, laws or business practices.
You often wind up spending an awful lot of time teaching these people.

Also, they can almost never write a proper report.

As long and the unemployment rate is high (8-15%) in this country immigration should stop, immigrant services, and family "reunification" program abolished..

Absolutely correct, and particularily correct on abolishing this useless reunification program !!

As long and the unemployment rate is high (8-15%) in this country immigration should stop, immigrant services, and family "reunification" program abolished..

Absolutely correct, and particularily correct on abolishing this useless reunification program !!
 

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The third world country immigrants that come here and claim they have such great education, you soon find out after working with them for a while that their education is hardly above our high school level here. The university level they claim they achieved is often, again hardly equivalent to our tech schools. In addition, they are not familiar with our design standards, codes, laws or business practices.
You often wind up spending an awful lot of time teaching these people.

I work with software engineers from from China & India and they most certainly don't have a hard time adapting to the workplace in Canada. Their education is just as good as ours if not better, math and science is heavily promoted in both countries and it shows.

You're just spouting off like a backwood hillbilly again, flooding the forums with your generalizations and lies. Go back to your KKK forums, Durry
 

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I work with software engineers from from China & India and they most certainly don't have a hard time adapting to the workplace in Canada. Their education is just as good as ours if not better, math and science is heavily promoted in both countries and it shows.

You're just spouting off like a backwood hillbilly again, flooding the forums with your generalizations and lies. Go back to your KKK forums, Durry
Bigots will congregate to feel superior. Notice that they don't congregate in ethnic neighbourhoods.

I remember when I first moved to Quesnel. I went into a bar where a bunch of guys were drinking at 2pm on a week day. They were all whining about the rag heads that were stealing their jobs at the mill. I said, "they are working because they are willing to work while you sit in here drinking beer all day and whine, you lazy bozos!"
 

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The third world country immigrants that come here and claim they have such great education, you soon find out after working with them for a while that their education is hardly above our high school level here. The university level they claim they achieved is often, again hardly equivalent to our tech schools. In addition, they are not familiar with our design standards, codes, laws or business practices.
You often wind up spending an awful lot of time teaching these people.

Also, they can almost never write a proper report.



Absolutely correct, and particularily correct on abolishing this useless reunification program !!



Absolutely correct, and particularily correct on abolishing this useless reunification program !!

I agree with you D, that in general education in other countries is substandard to Canadian schooling with a few notable exceptions.

At one time, all education throughout the commonwealth was standardized through to grade12. In Canada, many provinces have since deviated from that standard and also cut education funding. As a result, those countries which maintained the CW standard are delivering better education than Canada. India is an example of a commonwealth country which still follows the original standards. Not everyone in India can afford to send their children to these schools, but anyone graduating from that system in India has a superior education than the equivalent public school education in Canada. Indian doctors, nurses and teachers get about the same quality of training as Canadians because both our countries still follow the same CW standards (more or less) in these areas.

The Japanese school system is second to none regarding rote learning. Canada doesn't come close. But our system nurtures creative thought better, than their system and our students don't have the same level of pressure as Japanese students to succeed. (leading to suicide).

I work in the IT industry and occasionally I rub shoulders with people who have had extremely good IT training. I'd rate computer science graduates of Standard University in California as having the best CS education in the world. A close second is the India Institute of Technology. In general, IIT CS graduates have a better education than graduates from any Canadian university, including the University of Waterloo.

I've heard similar comments about engineers and scientists with degrees in material sciences (chemical, metalurgical...) coming from eastern Europe (Russia, Poland, East Germany...).

But yes in general I would agree with you regarding immigrants from most third world and former east bloc countries.

Bigots will congregate to feel superior. Notice that they don't congregate in ethnic neighbourhoods.

I remember when I first moved to Quesnel. I went into a bar where a bunch of guys were drinking at 2pm on a week day. They were all whining about the rag heads that were stealing their jobs at the mill. I said, "they are working because they are willing to work while you sit in here drinking beer all day and whine, you lazy bozos!"
In general immigrants have a much better work ethic than native born Canadians. Also, the top students in most schools and universities are immigrants or children of immigrants. But that effect only lasts one or two generations.
 

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Good article about how immigration policy is broken. And the federal govt forces cities to pay for much of it. Also, many immigrants don't even see a visa officer before they come to Canada.

A few frank words about immigration - The Globe and Mail
Don't worry. They are coming west by the van full and getting great jobs.

Do you need a job? Would you go half way around the world to utilize your education and get one? Why can't Canadians get off their fat asses and emigrate let alone immigrate to China to get work?
 

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I work with software engineers from from China & India and they most certainly don't have a hard time adapting to the workplace in Canada. Their education is just as good as ours if not better, math and science is heavily promoted in both countries and it shows.

Some immigrants who come to Canada are brilliant and do well, but this is a minority.

HInglish, Konglish, Japlish, a mixture of Asian languages and English, a sign, the English Asians learn is locally based and not necessarily of high quality. I read of a Nigerian learning proper British English and no one could understand him in England. On TV in India, people frequently switch from English to Hindi when they speak and it's no problem. They aren't communicating for a Canadian audience here.
 

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Israel practices religious discrimination resulting in many injustices, great and small. Non-Jews don't have the same rights as Jews regarding housing, education, medical care, freedom of movement, access to water...


Don't forget immigrants come here with an education. Schools and universities aren't cheap.

Did you know that Japan practices discrimination against people of Korean descent, even when born in Japan? Did you know that Koreans born in Japan are limited in terms of the highest career position that they can hold, or that some of them have plastic surgery on their eyes to appear Japanese?

I guess it's happening all over the place ... Israel, Japan ... not Canada ... well, on second thoughts ... it happens in Canada. Women have breast augmentation to advance their careers, and men have breast augmentation when they love women so much they want to be one (transgender).

Some immigrants who come to Canada are brilliant and do well, but this is a minority.

HInglish, Konglish, Japlish, a mixture of Asian languages and English, a sign, the English Asians learn is locally based and not necessarily of high quality. I read of a Nigerian learning proper British English and no one could understand him in England. On TV in India, people frequently switch from English to Hindi when they speak and it's no problem. They aren't communicating for a Canadian audience here.

That's just like learning France French and trying to talk to people in Quebec ... it's a complete failure in communication.
 

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Did you know that Japan practices discrimination against people of Korean descent, even when born in Japan? Did you know that Koreans born in Japan are limited in terms of the highest career position that they can hold, or that some of them have plastic surgery on their eyes to appear Japanese?

I guess it's happening all over the place ... Israel, Japan ... not Canada ... well, on second thoughts ... it happens in Canada. Women have breast augmentation to advance their careers, and men have breast augmentation when they love women so much they want to be one (transgender).

That's just like learning France French and trying to talk to people in Quebec ... it's a complete failure in communication.

And Koreans can't stand Japanese either. So what, Asian countries all can't stand each other. Asian countries are very very old, they know who belongs, we're much more flexible. We are lucky but we're not all diversity oriented as the flower children believe.

I heard from another European man, who worked in France, and he can't stand Quebec French. Calls it a terrible 14th century tongue.
 

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Did you know that Japan practices discrimination against people of Korean descent, even when born in Japan? Did you know that Koreans born in Japan are limited in terms of the highest career position that they can hold, or that some of them have plastic surgery on their eyes to appear Japanese?

I guess it's happening all over the place ... Israel, Japan ... not Canada ... well, on second thoughts ... it happens in Canada. Women have breast augmentation to advance their careers, and men have breast augmentation when they love women so much they want to be one (transgender).



That's just like learning France French and trying to talk to people in Quebec ... it's a complete failure in communication.
Ethnocracies. All are bound to fail shortly.
 

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I spent 3yrs in Paris....Quebec films have French subtitles...as do from Algeria and other french speaking African countries...
 

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And Koreans can't stand Japanese either. So what, Asian countries all can't stand each other. Asian countries are very very old, they know who belongs, we're much more flexible. We are lucky but we're not all diversity oriented as the flower children believe.

I heard from another European man, who worked in France, and he can't stand Quebec French. Calls it a terrible 14th century tongue.

Exactly. So what if Israel doesn't give Palestinians the same rights as Israelis ... just like Koreans in Japan. So what if the Middle East is the same in its practices as the Far East.

Quebec French ... I was 16, flying to Paris with a stopover in Montreal. I loved the tube escalators at the airport ... anyway, I think I tried to order a coffee or juice at the airport in Montreal using the French I'd been learning since about the age of 4 and I was treated like an alien that couldn't speak a word of French. I never did get whatever it was I was trying to buy. It traumatized me to the point that I was a little scared to open my mouth after landing in Paris ... but I was able to talk with the French, order juice or coffee without problems.
 

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Exactly. So what if Israel doesn't give Palestinians the same rights as Israelis ... just like Koreans in Japan. So what if the Middle East is the same in its practices as the Far East.

Quebec French ... I was 16, flying to Paris with a stopover in Montreal. I loved the tube escalators at the airport ... anyway, I think I tried to order a coffee or juice at the airport in Montreal using the French I'd been learning since about the age of 4 and I was treated like an alien that couldn't speak a word of French. I never did get whatever it was I was trying to buy. It traumatized me to the point that I was a little scared to open my mouth after landing in Paris ... but I was able to talk with the French, order juice or coffee without problems.

So let's not take in too many Asians who want to resist becoming Canadians, with the assistance of Canadian agitaors. Asians are traditional people that wish to use modern technology to continue things with as little change as possible. Aside from all Asians hating each other, can you think of an Asian country where women's rights are considered important? Hardly fits in with "Asian values." Perhaps they might in a few centuries when they get over their animositites.

And you were speaking French! The same parochial mentality that insists on Arret for stopsigns and not Stop. I guess they don't have a clue how bad their French is. I never did try, but I could have ordered a coffee in Montreal to see what happens.

I spent 3yrs in Paris....Quebec films have French subtitles...as do from Algeria and other french speaking African countries...

Wow. Shocking. So Quebec French sucks in France. The European man I met expressed a common French sentiment. The French in Quebec came from northeast France, about four hundred years ago, and it was far different from Paris French that dominates the country. Paris had the court and govt.

A bit over a century ago, there were numerous dialects in France, so Quebec has an archaic branch that is not understood any longer.