Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan

[I think not]

Re: RE: Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan

Afghanistan is unwinnable.

Why?

Surely there are other options in the war on terror than occupying this perverse gulag of sand and mountain. I don't want young Canadians pinned in this mad shooting gallery for the next 40 years. Time to put our thinking caps on!

OK, think. What are the options? Personally I only see two.

Stay and fight or cut and run.

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan

Afghanistan is unwinnable.

Why?

Surely there are other options in the war on terror than occupying this perverse gulag of sand and mountain. I don't want young Canadians pinned in this mad shooting gallery for the next 40 years. Time to put our thinking caps on!

OK, think. What are the options? Personally I only see two.

Stay and fight or cut and run.

Because the war has been going on for 5 years even more than WW2, and still no progress,great technologie empire of the "coalition of the willing", can't even took unorganised group out of their cave, it is a shame,now go home kids.

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan

I just watched "The National" on CBC.

Jack Layton made a complete fool of himself.

He wants to negotiate a comprehensive peace plan with the Taliban, and he wants to withdraw Canadian soldiers.

When it was pointed out there was no one to negotiate with, he just slogged on, mentioning G. W. as often as he could squeeze it in.

MY GOD!

When it was pointed out that if you built a school in Taliban territory, they burn it down the next day, and if it happened to include female students, the teachers would be beheaded, and their bodies displayed publically as a warning, he STILL tried to push on with the "negotiation" BS.

The man is a complete idiot.

Peter McKay, who is no intellectual giant, made a fool of Layton. He pointed out that the Taliban hanged women from the goalposts of Kabul's soccer stadium for appearing in public without being TOTALLY covered.......but Jack wants to negotiate.

Jack is an idiot.

Did I say that before?

You say jack is BS, but everything you claim about hezbollah and israel is pure bs. Get a grip.

 

[Logic 7]

Colpy: All NDPers are idiots and hypocrites. The latest piece of garbage from those brainless NDPers is that they want Canada to become a Republic rather than a Nation. What a bunch of stupid idiots. Jack and his Dog Chow made that statement yesterday in Quebec. They do not want Canada to have a miltary and they support terrorists. Unions do that big time as well.

What an upside down cake Canada has become.

You guys are seriously pathetic, all you guys can say, is "" blah blah blah idiots, hypocrytes, blah blah blah , idiots, hypocryte, anti-american, anti-israel, THE ONLY NATION THAT SUPPORTS TERRORISM IN THE WORL, ARE USA, ISRAEL AND SAUDI ARABIA, so get your facts straights.

 

[GentleGiant]

Logic7 is definitely illogical and an NDP supporter.

Nuff Said !

 

[GentleGiant]

I met two soldiers at Costco in Kanata at 0950am this morning and they are disgusted with those idiot NDPers. A few civilians supported their comments and they too along with myself have no respect whatsoever for NDP idiots who are insulting our brave men and women who have a responsibility to assist oppressed Nations like Afghanistan.

Jack Lay-it-on should be arrested and jailed along with his supporters because what they are doing is treasonous.

Take a good look at Bosnia when our Military protected Muslims from the Serbs. Did we lose some of our soldiers over there? Yes we did.

These idiot lefty's are disgusting and they are on every public forum around the world making idiotic posts and posting misinformation.

I think the time has come for the forums in Canada to clean house and put an end to this insulting and treasonous statements the leftys are making.

Yes our soldiers did put their lives on the line( over 115,000 who are dead and buried around the world ) so that we can have peace security and freedom of speech. But to malign our Government and Military or any other country's Government and Military is absolute garbage and these jerks should be banned.

Without the USA, Australia, Canada and The UK all of us would be under strictness, no freedom of speech and would be worshipping Adolf Hitler.

 

[mabudon]

RE: Canada should pull it

HAHAHAHAHAHA STOP IT MAN YOU'RE KILLING ME!!
I hope you are just some sort of propaganda bot cos the stuff you post makes NO sense whatsoever.. I really shouldn't reply to it cos ignoring you is the only way to make you go away but SHOOT I just can't help myself

One thing I find interesting is that you are not afraid to use the obvious admission of defeat by blowing the Nazi horn so DANG LOUD, I know it's the right-wing strategie du jour but to actually see it pursued with such gusto is TOTALLY hilarious.
Good for a laugh I guess

 

[Colpy]

So, Logic 7, shine rays of enlightenment through the fog of our ignorance.

Explain to us how peace, love, and gentle understanding can be established with the Taliban, who publically hang ladies that dare show their hair.

Explain to us how we can allow the Taliban to re-establish a regime in Afghanistan, and how that regime will become a model world citizen, living in peace, while being ruled by the folks that aided, abetted, and then sheltered the people responsible for numerous atrocious acts of terror against the west, including 9-11.

Explain how the people of Afghanistan will be ruled with sweet reason by the people who blow up ancient statues that are considered world treasures.

Explain why we should abandon a nation to the clutches of people who won't allow girls to learn to read.

Now, let me explain something to you, my young friend.

Evil exists.

It is loose in the world.

When you come up against a violent, wicked enemy that hopes to destroy you and are attacked, the ONLY reply
is to destroy them.

I understand the problem with the invasion of Iraq, and although I disagree, I can see how people think the west should never have gone in. They didn't attack us.

I can understand the view that the Israelis are the bad guys in the Middle East, although I strongly disagree.

How people can want us out of Afghanistan is beyond me. The Islamic fanatics there ATTACKED US. They killed over 2500 people. They had plans to kill many more in various attacks. They had at least one cell in Montreal, that planned to attack the Jewish community there, before it was re-routed to LAX.

If the Taliban are re-established in Afghanistan, we will be subjected to a string of attacks carried out by trained fanatics.

How would you prevent that?

 

[Cosmo]

Colpy: All NDPers are idiots and hypocrites. The latest piece of garbage from those brainless NDPers is that they want Canada to become a Republic rather than a Nation. What a bunch of stupid idiots. Jack and his Dog Chow made that statement yesterday in Quebec. They do not want Canada to have a miltary and they support terrorists. Unions do that big time as well.

What an upside down cake Canada has become.

GentleGiant ... I've scanned your posts and have found you to be consistently insulting and rude. You are not only entitled to your opinion, but encouraged to voice it here -- the caveat being you must do so in a civil manner. Please take the time to re-read your posts and think about them before you hit the "submit" button. Cosmo

 

[Zzarchov]

Im an NDP supporter, and I don't think having anti-government speech should get you punished, as that is by nature what free speech is, anti-government speech. Free speech without that is like saying you can have all the ice cream you want as long as you don't eat any of it. Completely pointless.

I think the problem with the NDP leadership is they are a Domestic Issues party. They really aren't any more well versed in the world scene than your average joe in the street. But thats fine, I don't vote for them based on their world issues stance since my aim is only to try for a Liberal/NDP coalition. Im slightly Right of NDP and Left of Liberal so its my democratic choice, and calling me a traitor for it makes me wonder whos side your on?

We should also all remember we are an all voluteer military. When I signed up I knew I might get sent someone to die, But I wanted the money for school. So I went in, got the money and left. But I wouldn't complain If I got called up during that time, nor would any soldier I know.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan

Im an NDP supporter, and I don't think having anti-government speech should get you punished, as that is by nature what free speech is, anti-government speech. Free speech without that is like saying you can have all the ice cream you want as long as you don't eat any of it. Completely pointless.

I think the problem with the NDP leadership is they are a Domestic Issues party. They really aren't any more well versed in the world scene than your average joe in the street. But thats fine, I don't vote for them based on their world issues stance since my aim is only to try for a Liberal/NDP coalition. Im slightly Right of NDP and Left of Liberal so its my democratic choice, and calling me a traitor for it makes me wonder whos side your on?

We should also all remember we are an all voluteer military. When I signed up I knew I might get sent someone to die, But I wanted the money for school. So I went in, got the money and left. But I wouldn't complain If I got called up during that time, nor would any soldier I know.

I would certainly never argue with the first part of your post. Jack Layton has every right to make a complete fool of himself, as does anyone else on any subject.

I used to be, many many years ago, a supporter of the NDP. However, when the party CEASED to be a western grassroots party of sensible farmers and labour, and became the arm of pie-in-the-sky, ivory tower "intellectuals", it lost all relevance, IMHO.

The last good leader they had was David Lewis.

Jack is simply out of touch with reality on SO many issues.........

 

[#juan]

One of the reasons we have an opposition

is to take the government to task on any issue. While I might not agree with Jack Layton, he has every right to voice his opinion, and take the government to task. We have a very skinny conservative minority government, meaning that most of the elected MPs are not part of the government.

If we think there is a lot of bitching about the war now, wait till we start to lose twenty or thirty a week or more. It would help if anyone knew what the objectives in the war were all about. Is there a specific target we have to take? Is there a hill to be stormed like Vimy Ridge? There is nothing remotely like that. We just have to keep fighting the endless supply of Taliban coming in from Pakistan. It's like the little Dutch boy with fourteen holes in the dike and only ten fingers.

 

[elevennevele]

When the Defense Minister starts talking about us fighting 'them' in Pakistan you know we are in way over our heads.

What is after Pakistan? The borders of Iran? It seems there will be no end to the supply of enemy combatants we will have to fight. How could there be? Our very actions are a perpetual recruitment tool for Middle Easterners to fight foreigners off ‘their’ land. But such is the ‘war on terror’ concept which is actually just becoming the war on the people of the Middle East who occupy land which supposedly had the USA’s oil interests. Afghanistan just being a prelude to a greater war for Iraq.

And now it's also a war for the USA’s and our “Pride”. But pride only came into it after our politicians started to define fluid, unpredictable situations with terms such as, “we don’t cut and run”, or “to leave now is to have the soldiers die in vain”, or “we are going to stay the course”, or to make Afghanistan synonymous with “supporting the troops”.

It’s rhetoric like this which puts us into a box. Which puts our soldiers pride and our pride as Canadians on the front lines. Only because we support politicians who define it as such for this country. Politicans who throw away caution to the wind.

Afghanistan is a war of potentially unlimited duration where, as we are told, the patriotic and caring thing to do for our troops is to keep shoveling them into the fire.

If the USA were serious about Afghanistan, they would have used their resources to seal the borders, to police the country in it’s entirety, and to really bring economic viability to the people along with genuine security. They would not have stretched themselves to pursue Iraq’s resources. Again, this is when they decided it wasn’t about removing the perpetrators of 911 anymore, but instead about a policy of occupation and ideological control.

There was maybe one chance of that when all the world gave it’s support. But the USA blew it and now we are throwing our people at it for their continued screw ups and ‘enemy creation policies’ as though our people were firewood.

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan

So, Logic 7, shine rays of enlightenment through the fog of our ignorance.

Explain to us how peace, love, and gentle understanding can be established with the Taliban, who publically hang ladies that dare show their hair.

Explain to us how we can allow the Taliban to re-establish a regime in Afghanistan, and how that regime will become a model world citizen, living in peace, while being ruled by the folks that aided, abetted, and then sheltered the people responsible for numerous atrocious acts of terror against the west, including 9-11.


Evil exists.

It is loose in the world.


If the Taliban are re-established in Afghanistan, we will be subjected to a string of attacks carried out by trained fanatics.

How would you prevent that?

First of all, 9-11 there is no evidence that alqueada did it, so please stop using this.

Secondly evil exist, true, but when you can't see what you are doing is evil, then you are evil yourself, probably the most powerful line in the bible.

Whatever you can think of them, yes they are radicals and probably very evil, but we have to deal with them peacefully and diplomatically, since we have witnesses that this war on terror, serves absotly nothing.

Otherwise, why don't we get rid of Zionist? Fundamentalist christians??

 

[Hotshot]

Re: RE: Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan

First of all, 9-11 there is no evidence that alqueada did it, so please stop using this.

I wish people would learn how to spell in this forum. And yes, the terrorists from the 9-11 incident were linked Al Qaida. You must be smoking some of those funny cigarettes.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan

First of all, 9-11 there is no evidence that alqueada did it, so please stop using this.

Secondly evil exist, true, but when you can't see what you are doing is evil, then you are evil yourself, probably the most powerful line in the bible.

Whatever you can think of them, yes they are radicals and probably very evil, but we have to deal with them peacefully and diplomatically, since we have witnesses that this war on terror, serves absotly nothing.

Otherwise, why don't we get rid of Zionist? Fundamentalist christians??

First of all Osama has a history of attacks against the USA, both threatened and carried out. Then he CONFESSED! (That Osama! What a KIDDER! Life of the party!)

Secondly, "......all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." I would say negotiating with Islamists is much, much worse than doing nothing. We need to kill them, not negotiate with them. (Note I say ISLAMISTS, by which I mean radical Muslims that wish to destroy western civilization)

BTW, I was RAISED by fundamentalist Christians. Hardcore, backwoods Baptists, no drinking, no dancing, certainly no sex before marriage. Extremely conservative. They were (and my Mom still is) as gentle, as honest, as generous, and as straight forward as people can be. I never saw them try to force anyone to adopt their beliefs, and at the foundation of their religion was freedom of choice. So you're stepping on toes BIG time with your last crack, where you equate fundamentaliast Christians with Islamic terrorists.

Not that I'm surprized.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan

First of all, 9-11 there is no evidence that alqueada did it, so please stop using this.

Bin Laden: Yes, I did it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml

 

[gc]

Re: RE: Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan

First of all, 9-11 there is no evidence that alqueada did it, so please stop using this.

Bin Laden: Yes, I did it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml

Now, purely for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate...admitting to a crime doesn't necessarily mean that they are guilty, just look at John Mark Karr for a recent example. Of course, I'm sure 99% of the time they are guilty.

 

[Blackleaf]

A newly released video shows British soldiers fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The material was filmed in the Helmand province. Paul Wood reports on the British campaign in the country.

Watch it here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/

Click on "Video from Afghan frontline" in the Video and Audio News section in the centre of the website. Once on the little video screen, click on "The British Campaign in Afghanistan" in the pink writing ont he right.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan

First of all, 9-11 there is no evidence that alqueada did it, so please stop using this.

Bin Laden: Yes, I did it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml

Now, purely for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate...admitting to a crime doesn't necessarily mean that they are guilty, just look at John Mark Karr for a recent example. Of course, I'm sure 99% of the time they are guilty.

Agreed. Considering however prior the invasion of Afghanistan he denied any involvement in 9/11 twice and since the invasion he accepted responsibility, i would wager a guess he isn't exactly innocent. Especially since he has taken responsibility for other attacks.