Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan
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GentleGiant said:
We are not getting rid of them with these policies. We are breeding them with these policies. We are not fighting a uniformed enemy army. We are fighting against an ideology with bombs.
We (the USA primarily) has increased global terrorism activity at least fourfold by 2005 since the Iraq invasion. “Global Terrorism”, and it simply continues to rise with these policies. These policies are just not working.
That is simply reality.
What we are doing in Afghanistan isn’t going to protect our subways, or our way of life here. Domestic security is what is going to protect us here, and not stripping our civil liberties to do it is what is going to protect our way of life.
Debating with some of you here is no easier than trying to debate with the taliban ideologue. Some of you are so wrap up in your ideology that you won’t accept the truth of ‘the reality’ that is presenting itself over what you all wish were happening by these policies. For instance, how many times do we have to hear the US administration say they are making progress in Iraq? None of you notice the patterns now with Afghanistan?
This isn’t a comic book where heroes simply vanquish an enemy. The ‘change’ that societies make for the better usually come through a slow process of economic stability. We can’t even offer these people we claim to be liberating this basic framework.
And the gap between their reality and our own is something you hero worshippers have a long way to go toward understanding.
History repeats itself once again.
Re: RE: Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan
No, your a person with some perspective, and there is a community of people with perspective out there that blur across the different political parties in Canada. The reemergence of labeling is one of the most immature and dangerous political actions I have the displeasure to witness in this stage of my life.
It’s an old fascist technique of herding the population. Everybody wants to be a part of the community. People are wired to conform as very few have the personal strength to weather indifference by others against what their conscience actually tells them.
Just like those experiments where they have a classroom of people and a controlled fire is created. Smoke starts pouring into the room, but the subjects don’t realize that a majority of the class are actors, who will sit at their desk, half ignoring the smoke. And what does this experiment prove? That those who are not actors will also sit at their desk in conformity with the larger group against their better judgment.
Sheep.
And those who fall prey to this game of labeling others as handed down by the media and the politicians show this trait about themselves.
Sheep.
tamarin said:
No, your a person with some perspective, and there is a community of people with perspective out there that blur across the different political parties in Canada. The reemergence of labeling is one of the most immature and dangerous political actions I have the displeasure to witness in this stage of my life.
It’s an old fascist technique of herding the population. Everybody wants to be a part of the community. People are wired to conform as very few have the personal strength to weather indifference by others against what their conscience actually tells them.
Just like those experiments where they have a classroom of people and a controlled fire is created. Smoke starts pouring into the room, but the subjects don’t realize that a majority of the class are actors, who will sit at their desk, half ignoring the smoke. And what does this experiment prove? That those who are not actors will also sit at their desk in conformity with the larger group against their better judgment.
Sheep.
And those who fall prey to this game of labeling others as handed down by the media and the politicians show this trait about themselves.
Sheep.
The problem is simple:
If we leave Afghanistan to the Taliban, they will once again turn it into a staging area and training camp for terrorists.
If that happensthe NEXT time 17 people in Toronto are bent on mayhem, they wouldn't be buying fertilizer from the RCMP, nor getting busted smuggling guns in from the USA..........nor will their training consist of paintball and getting lost on some farm in Ontario..........
Instead they would have good weapons and the training to use them, and good explosives with the training to use them.
How many Canadians would die then?
IMHO, as long as we keep Afghanistan out of the hands of the Taliban, the mission is a limited success. Should we, in the process, succeed in stabilizing that nation, the mission will be a miraculous success.
If we leave Afghanistan to the Taliban, they will once again turn it into a staging area and training camp for terrorists.
If that happensthe NEXT time 17 people in Toronto are bent on mayhem, they wouldn't be buying fertilizer from the RCMP, nor getting busted smuggling guns in from the USA..........nor will their training consist of paintball and getting lost on some farm in Ontario..........
Instead they would have good weapons and the training to use them, and good explosives with the training to use them.
How many Canadians would die then?
IMHO, as long as we keep Afghanistan out of the hands of the Taliban, the mission is a limited success. Should we, in the process, succeed in stabilizing that nation, the mission will be a miraculous success.
Colpy : excellent post. What you stated is 100% correct.
Unfortunately we have more than a few hundred terrorist activists residing in different parts of Canada thanks to those idiot Lieberals who allowed them into this country and it is a difficult struggle for our police forces to find them and arrest them. However when they do arrest them then the lefty judges allow them out on bail underconditions such as they must stay at home. Ha Ha Ha . Yeah right! They will have disappeared and when they re-surface lookout.
Afghanistan has been a terrorist training region for years for terrorists groups such as Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah ( Imagine Iran sending them there ) and even some Tamil Tigers and Chechnyans went there as well.
There are also a huge number of Islamist extremists who went there as well.
Canada is very vulnerable and soon the price will be paid on our soil because of what those idiot Lieberals did and the communistic NDPers supported. From the old days CCFers to NDPers only worse in todays world.
To conclude the cowardly lefty's will love to read and watch the results of terrorist actions here in Canada and they will cry and scream blah blah blah ad naseum.
Unfortunately we have more than a few hundred terrorist activists residing in different parts of Canada thanks to those idiot Lieberals who allowed them into this country and it is a difficult struggle for our police forces to find them and arrest them. However when they do arrest them then the lefty judges allow them out on bail underconditions such as they must stay at home. Ha Ha Ha . Yeah right! They will have disappeared and when they re-surface lookout.
Afghanistan has been a terrorist training region for years for terrorists groups such as Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah ( Imagine Iran sending them there ) and even some Tamil Tigers and Chechnyans went there as well.
There are also a huge number of Islamist extremists who went there as well.
Canada is very vulnerable and soon the price will be paid on our soil because of what those idiot Lieberals did and the communistic NDPers supported. From the old days CCFers to NDPers only worse in todays world.
To conclude the cowardly lefty's will love to read and watch the results of terrorist actions here in Canada and they will cry and scream blah blah blah ad naseum.
Afghanistan is unwinnable. Surely there are other options in the war on terror than occupying this perverse gulag of sand and mountain. I don't want young Canadians pinned in this mad shooting gallery for the next 40 years. Time to put our thinking caps on!
RE: Canada should pull it
Yeah, at this stage of the game, namecalling and allusions to the Nazis aren't gonna get the job done no-how.
It really looks as if the "situation" over there is totallly out of hand- I thought the "war" in Afghanistan was long over anyways, what happened to that deal?? I mean, since they have a phony government that was installed by western powers, we CAN't be fighting an actual "war" there, can we??
At this point, I think we're in a similar position to the one the Soviets found themselves in, which is basically how long can we afford to throw human lives and money into the fire and watch it burn before we actually have to stop doing so??
I can't see a way out.
What was posted above is true, the notion that Afghanistan will somehow turn into New Jersey after some indetermined period of time is totally ludicrous, but somehow sems to be the centrepiece of our "mission" there
Yeah, at this stage of the game, namecalling and allusions to the Nazis aren't gonna get the job done no-how.
It really looks as if the "situation" over there is totallly out of hand- I thought the "war" in Afghanistan was long over anyways, what happened to that deal?? I mean, since they have a phony government that was installed by western powers, we CAN't be fighting an actual "war" there, can we??
At this point, I think we're in a similar position to the one the Soviets found themselves in, which is basically how long can we afford to throw human lives and money into the fire and watch it burn before we actually have to stop doing so??
I can't see a way out.
What was posted above is true, the notion that Afghanistan will somehow turn into New Jersey after some indetermined period of time is totally ludicrous, but somehow sems to be the centrepiece of our "mission" there
tamarin: If a peace loving country such as Canada does not go out and kill
those terrorist Talebans then the Taleban will eventually come here and kill us.
It has been that way for centuries.
One cannot under any circumstances discuss peace with terrorists because all they want to do is kill you and control your land.
The Taleban beheaded women every Saturday in a soccer stadium because they went out the door without their husbands. They also beheaded children who went to school.
The Islamist extremists also beheaded children in Indonesia because some of them went to a catholic school.
In Iraq Saddam Hussein who has funded many a terrorist groups killed thousands upon thousands of Kurds and many citizens of Iraq.
Iran and Syria funded and supported Hezbollah a terrorist organization to kill Israelis. The Lebanese Government was a nothing.
During the war in Beirut Lebanon it was the Islamist extremists who started it against the catholics.
In Yugoslavia once again we had Serbs against Islamists and that conflict was over 650 years old.
In Chechnya they trained terrorists who went to a Russian city and killed a bunch of school children.
So thinking cap? I don't think so Tim.
You have to go out there, find these terrorists and kill them. If you do not do that then put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.
those terrorist Talebans then the Taleban will eventually come here and kill us.
It has been that way for centuries.
One cannot under any circumstances discuss peace with terrorists because all they want to do is kill you and control your land.
The Taleban beheaded women every Saturday in a soccer stadium because they went out the door without their husbands. They also beheaded children who went to school.
The Islamist extremists also beheaded children in Indonesia because some of them went to a catholic school.
In Iraq Saddam Hussein who has funded many a terrorist groups killed thousands upon thousands of Kurds and many citizens of Iraq.
Iran and Syria funded and supported Hezbollah a terrorist organization to kill Israelis. The Lebanese Government was a nothing.
During the war in Beirut Lebanon it was the Islamist extremists who started it against the catholics.
In Yugoslavia once again we had Serbs against Islamists and that conflict was over 650 years old.
In Chechnya they trained terrorists who went to a Russian city and killed a bunch of school children.
So thinking cap? I don't think so Tim.
You have to go out there, find these terrorists and kill them. If you do not do that then put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.
RE: Canada should pull it
Ummm I have the impression that if we left 'em alone and maybe KEPT AN EYE ON THEM it would cost a lot less and they would likely keep doing things the stone-age way they like to do things, but I don't think leaviung them the hell alone would get us blown up anytime soon.
That would be the best solution, honestly, none of this stupid "appeasement" BS that is being shouted by the right wing war-lovers, ACTUAL containment and surveillance. THAT would be a "mission", and heck, maybe even a NEVER ENDING ONE since that is the way of vigilance, but going over there and whackin the hornets nest and pissing away lives to look macho and help our "dearest friends" is NOT gonna work EVER and I will say that until it inevitably happens
Ummm I have the impression that if we left 'em alone and maybe KEPT AN EYE ON THEM it would cost a lot less and they would likely keep doing things the stone-age way they like to do things, but I don't think leaviung them the hell alone would get us blown up anytime soon.
That would be the best solution, honestly, none of this stupid "appeasement" BS that is being shouted by the right wing war-lovers, ACTUAL containment and surveillance. THAT would be a "mission", and heck, maybe even a NEVER ENDING ONE since that is the way of vigilance, but going over there and whackin the hornets nest and pissing away lives to look macho and help our "dearest friends" is NOT gonna work EVER and I will say that until it inevitably happens
The number of brave soldiers that we have lost so far is small compared to:
And this where the lefty idiots run away and hide because facts bothers them a lot!
The number of people killed every day in Canada by drunk drivers is 4. Multiply that by 365. Ok that is 1460 Canadians killed every year by drunk drivers.
Our troop presence in Afghanistan is very important. Our troop presence in WW1 and WWII and the Korean War was very important.
If there was no Canadian Troop presence then we would be wearing Nazi Swastikas and say Heil Hitler every day and eating sauerkraut Kasler Rippchen every day as well.
The problem here is that the communist CBC is poisoning the minds of brainless Canadians very day by representing that commie idiot Jack Layton who is a chronic Liar and dumber than a dead snake.
CBC will not provide both sides to any story or air truth facts and reality.
Communists do not do that. For goodness sakes do not advise the public of facts and truths.
And this where the lefty idiots run away and hide because facts bothers them a lot!
The number of people killed every day in Canada by drunk drivers is 4. Multiply that by 365. Ok that is 1460 Canadians killed every year by drunk drivers.
Our troop presence in Afghanistan is very important. Our troop presence in WW1 and WWII and the Korean War was very important.
If there was no Canadian Troop presence then we would be wearing Nazi Swastikas and say Heil Hitler every day and eating sauerkraut Kasler Rippchen every day as well.
The problem here is that the communist CBC is poisoning the minds of brainless Canadians very day by representing that commie idiot Jack Layton who is a chronic Liar and dumber than a dead snake.
CBC will not provide both sides to any story or air truth facts and reality.
Communists do not do that. For goodness sakes do not advise the public of facts and truths.
RE: Canada should pull it
man all I want to know is are you for REAL???
that post made NO actual logical sense whatsoever.
man all I want to know is are you for REAL???
that post made NO actual logical sense whatsoever.
Are you saying that because we have lost 31 soldiers in Afghanistan over the past 4 years and 1460 civilians in Canada every year because of drunk drivers that our soldiers should come home but allow the drunk drivers to continue to kill our citizens? Are you saying allow the terrorists to remain alive so that one day they will come and kill our citizens?
Are you saying that the CBC is not a communist broadcaster? Well got news for you it is big time. They are a bunch of pinko idiots who support lefty Lieberals and those idiot NDPers.
CBC is the worst broadcaster along with the Toronto Lieberal Star which is the worst rag in Canada. Both of them lie like sidewalks and refuse to publish or air truth facts and reality. They are brainless pinkos. FACT !
Precious little wonder that 40% of our population are completely ignorant and have no clue as to what is real what is truth and what are facts.
Are you saying that the CBC is not a communist broadcaster? Well got news for you it is big time. They are a bunch of pinko idiots who support lefty Lieberals and those idiot NDPers.
CBC is the worst broadcaster along with the Toronto Lieberal Star which is the worst rag in Canada. Both of them lie like sidewalks and refuse to publish or air truth facts and reality. They are brainless pinkos. FACT !
Precious little wonder that 40% of our population are completely ignorant and have no clue as to what is real what is truth and what are facts.
One more time the price for peace and security is the loss of our brave soldiers lives. Every country has cowardly lefty's who do not support this but without it: HEIL HITLER !!!!!
To pull out of Afghanistan because soldiers are dying is cowardice. Our soldiers aren't cowards I'm sure. If the Afghan government wants us gone all they have to do is ask us to leave. We are not imperialists. I hope we are not cowards.
I just watched "The National" on CBC.
Jack Layton made a complete fool of himself.
He wants to negotiate a comprehensive peace plan with the Taliban, and he wants to withdraw Canadian soldiers.
When it was pointed out there was no one to negotiate with, he just slogged on, mentioning G. W. as often as he could squeeze it in.
MY GOD!
When it was pointed out that if you built a school in Taliban territory, they burn it down the next day, and if it happened to include female students, the teachers would be beheaded, and their bodies displayed publically as a warning, he STILL tried to push on with the "negotiation" BS.
The man is a complete idiot.
Peter McKay, who is no intellectual giant, made a fool of Layton. He pointed out that the Taliban hanged women from the goalposts of Kabul's soccer stadium for appearing in public without being TOTALLY covered.......but Jack wants to negotiate.
Jack is an idiot.
Did I say that before?
Jack Layton made a complete fool of himself.
He wants to negotiate a comprehensive peace plan with the Taliban, and he wants to withdraw Canadian soldiers.
When it was pointed out there was no one to negotiate with, he just slogged on, mentioning G. W. as often as he could squeeze it in.
MY GOD!
When it was pointed out that if you built a school in Taliban territory, they burn it down the next day, and if it happened to include female students, the teachers would be beheaded, and their bodies displayed publically as a warning, he STILL tried to push on with the "negotiation" BS.
The man is a complete idiot.
Peter McKay, who is no intellectual giant, made a fool of Layton. He pointed out that the Taliban hanged women from the goalposts of Kabul's soccer stadium for appearing in public without being TOTALLY covered.......but Jack wants to negotiate.
Jack is an idiot.
Did I say that before?
Colpy: All NDPers are idiots and hypocrites. The latest piece of garbage from those brainless NDPers is that they want Canada to become a Republic rather than a Nation. What a bunch of stupid idiots. Jack and his Dog Chow made that statement yesterday in Quebec. They do not want Canada to have a miltary and they support terrorists. Unions do that big time as well.
What an upside down cake Canada has become.
What an upside down cake Canada has become.