Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan

EagleSmack

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Re: RE: Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan

aeon said:
How would you guys explain this....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oussama_bin_Laden


Immediately after the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States, the United States government named bin Laden as the prime suspect. However, Osama denied responsibility for the attacks, and in an interview for the Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper Ummat, published on September 28 2001, he stated the following:
"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle........The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself ..... there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups capable of causing such large-scale destruction. "

So you believe a denial of the attacks that was printed by a Pakistani news paper but you do not believe the video of OBL himself?

Anything to enforce your beliefs and deny everything that opooses them.

How is your dissapearence of Flight 77 theory coming?
 

aeon

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Re: RE: Canada should pull its troops out of Afghanistan

EagleSmack said:
So you believe a denial of the attacks that was printed by a Pakistani news paper but you do not believe the video of OBL himself?

Anything to enforce your beliefs and deny everything that opooses them.

How is your dissapearence of Flight 77 theory coming?


Why would you believe one statement , no others one?

You see how stupid it is from you to believe a statement made by oussama, especially when the video was brought by us officials, and the tape is higlhly disputed, becaue the guy doesnt look like oussama? get real for once in your life.
 

Claudius

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Hey look at that...


operation northwood

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Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro as part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state sponsored terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the highest ranking member of the U.S. military, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer.


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Oh wow. That does it then. My whole world has be turned upside down...I'd never heard that one before...Oh wait...What I mean to say is that I've seen that well-worn talking point* posted on every Johnny Jihad blog or Michael Moore wannabie fan-boy site in North America.

1. It's from 1962.

2. I know this will be totally lost on you, but the Pentagon has been making contingency plans as ridiculous as this one since the day the opened shop. They also have about 1000 contingency plans in case aliens attack. Does that mean there are aliens waiting to attack?



* I’ll explain to you what a “Talking Point” is since I know you think you know but you don’t really know:
When someone not-so-smart composes a statement designed to sound as good as they can make it in order to use it towards their argument that's what we call, "A Point"...(write that down, you might have one some day), a Talking Point" is when someone even stupider happens along your website and sees this person's "point" and since they're too stoned to do any research, and they figure the person is trustworthy or knows their stuff (like, some dude who put up a site, or Metallica) and they think it's a solid point to use for their own. Never do they realize that there's nothing to it until someone explains why it's laughable on some forum. At which point they usually get really indignant because they've made a fool of themselves.
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Claudius

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Why would you believe one statement , no others one?

Saturday that very same paper reported under the headline "Canadian police admit they planted evidence in 'Terror arrests'".

Now Im pretty much certain that you're probably all too willing to believe that the RCMP could "plant" 3 tonnes of Amonium Nitrate, but how the hell does this paper half way around the world, the first story they print on the subject, get away with claiming that the police 'admit they planted the evidence'?

Maybe cuz like you, people are all too willing to believe?


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darkbeaver

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RE: Canada should pull it

Many hardcore imperialists seem to be all too willing to believe in conspiracy theroys themselves, the official story of 9/11 is a conspiracy theroy without one shread of proof, the planes flew into the building period, nothing else not one other fact not one other peice of evidence. They might even think they see an airplane in the released petagon pictures when there plainly isn't one. That makes them gullible simple minded people easily satisfied with the convienient lie.
 

darkbeaver

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RE: Canada should pull it

Oh yeah we should get out of Afghanistan, it's a hopeless mess that's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, most Afghans want all forigne troops out of the country.
 

Claudius

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RE: Canada should pull it

the official story of 9/11 is a conspiracy theroy without one shread of proof,

Video confession isn't proof. Not even a shred. LOL! Just keep stamping your feet and saying it over and over again.

You're going to be so embarrassed when you grow up.

Well nothing's proof when you're crazy.


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dekhqonbacha

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Re: RE: Canada should pull it

Lineman said:
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You've been reading too many of aeon's posts, not everything is a conspiracy. The large majority of the time what you see is plainly and simply the truth. Is not AlJezeera a trustful source? Do we dare suspect Al Jezeera of not telling the truth! 8O

You see aeon's twisted agenda is to blame everything on the US so if he casts doubt on Osama's guilt and convinces anyone of it, he will immediately spout off about how he has the answer and that is "the US planned the whole thing so they could get the OIL".

Not his thought though, for that would mean he'd be thinking for himself instead of regurgitating stuff he's read elsewhere.

Stay tuned for his retort.... :sleepy1:


If i disagree with you, I don't necesserily agree with aeon.

I blame US to terrorize Muslims. To provoke disputes between them.

The role of US in Afghan civil war and chaos in Afghanistan:
The (Afghan) mujahideen were significantly financed, armed, and trained by the United States (the Carter and Reagan administrations), China, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia.
After the overthrow of the Soviet-backed Democratic Republic of Afghanistan in 1992, Afghanistan was thrown into civil war between competing warlords that emerged from the Mujahideen forces that the U.S. had bankrolled.

It's US who had let Afghanistan be in chaos. Once there is no governement, any "terrorists" can settle there.

And I think US is chasing bin Laden, nor Afghani civilians neither Iraqi civilians. Am I right?

I think US went to capture bin Laden, he is not found yet, that's why US should ivade Iran as well, because bin Laden is not captured. Well, because that's what they did. They thought bin Laden was resposible and he is Arab but "was living" in Afghanistan. They attacked Afghanistan, he escaped, no one knows where. Then US decided to invade Iraq because they thought Saddam was helping bin Laden. It turned out to be untrue as well. Now, with Iran, bin Laden is not captured, so if Iran builds nuclear reactor, Iran can lend it to bin Laden. That's why US must invade Iran as well, unless bin Laden is captured.

Well, India, Pakistan, North Korea have nuclear bombs without any doubt. Why US is not invading them?

Because those countries aren't in US's interest. Or maybe because bin Laden doesn't speak korean or Hindu, or Pakistani?

I always say, what they show in news on TV it's just what is surrounding camera. We cannot conclude everything about someone, or some countries based on what we see on TV. We can learn from it. It's trustful, but still it's important to say that it's from TV because some people like me who don't believe in what they hear.

About al jazeera,
Al Jazeera (Arabic: الجزيرة al-Ǧazīrä), meaning "The Island" and/or "The Peninsula" is an Arabic-language television channel based in Doha, Qatar. Its willingness to broadcast dissenting views, including on call-in shows, created controversies in the autocratic Persian Gulf Arab States. The station gained worldwide attention following the September 11, 2001 attacks, when it broadcast video statements by Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders.

You think it's trustful because it shows the vidoes of bin Laden, otherwise no one would know about it. Do you know any other TV station in any arab world?
MBC 3 is it trustful?
not for now. When it talks about bin Laden it also will be trustful source.
Am I wrong?
 

aeon

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Claudius said:
the official story of 9/11 is a conspiracy theroy without one shread of proof,

Video confession isn't proof. Not even a shred. LOL! Just keep stamping your feet and saying it over and over again.

You're going to be so embarrassed when you grow up.

Well nothing's proof when you're crazy.


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No it isnt , not even close to it....


http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html


FBi:"No hard evidence linking bin Laden with 9/11"
 

Claudius

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(I can’t believe I’m even going to do this…)

Well before I start tearing into this I'd just like to point out that you've already sneakily conceeded the foolish, "not a shed of evidence", for the simply ignorant, "there's no hard evidence". Nice attempt at the slight of hand.

SO... your rebuttal is a guy who got on the phone with the FBI because he was wondering why OBL isn't wanted for 9/11. So they tell him there’s no hard evidence.

Well that wraps that it all up then I guess, huh?

No. Not so much. Theydidn't charge Capone with racketeering or extorting because there was no 'hard evidence' they could use. They still knew he was doing it. Instead they used tax evaision. The FBI is doing the same with OBL, they are seeking him on other charges more promising in terms of conviction.

That you sit here and pretend to not know the difference or that "a guy from a website who phoned the FBI" is proof that OBL didn't do it is proof positive of your insincerity or your complete dullard-ness. Your choice.

I should really be charging you for all this.


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Why the war in Afghanistan is justified.


Afghanistan: what Labour must do



Two more British soldiers were killed in Afghanistan today. Since Friday, 16 British soldiers have died in Afghanistan.

At a stroke, the number of British casualties since the beginning of the Helmand offensive has been doubled. Fourteen more lives have been lost and, with them, a sophisticated and expensive aircraft. The vulnerability of our position in Afghanistan, which depends on an air-bridge to Karachi, has been exposed. There are, inevitably, renewed calls for the withdrawal of our Servicemen from the theatre.

Such calls are influenced by the debate over Iraq. Many of those who favour the evacuation of British troops from Basra tend, almost unthinkingly, to extend their argument to Afghanistan. But the two cases are very different. We now know that Saddam did not pose a direct military threat to our interests. The Taliban regime, on the other hand, was training and exporting militiamen to fight the West. Occupying Afghanistan has allowed us to dismantle the training camps and to reduce substantially the operational capacity of the jihadists. While there will be endless arguments over whether Iraq is better off now than it was under the Ba'athists, there can be no such arguments about Afghanistan, which has benefited from foreign investment, female emancipation, new schools and hospitals and agrarian improvement.

"Ah, but you can't hold Afghanistan by force," say some half-clever people. "We tried that before." Even as history, this is bunkum. Britain won both Afghan wars. The massacre of the garrison in 1842, which became an icon of Imperial defeat, came about because Ghilzai tribesmen violated a safe-conduct agreement and ambushed a departing column. It was swiftly and brutally avenged. British policy in the 19th century was, in effect, to find a well-disposed local chieftain and offer him support so that he could dominate any rivals – which is roughly what we are doing today, with the difference that we now lend our support to the faction elected by the Afghans themselves. By and large, the policy is working: we have replaced an inimical regime with a friendly one and, although parts of the country remain lawless, we are at least taking on the terrorists in the Hindu Kush rather than in British cities.

All military campaigns involve danger, and ministers are culpable for not having made this clearer. However, the loss of the Nimrod, tragic as it is, does not alter the argument for continuing the fight. What it does is bloodily to underline the need to equip our troops properly. This newspaper has argued repeatedly, most recently last week, that our Armed Forces are let down by poor procurement decisions and an inadequate budget. Instead of trotting out clichés about our magnificent soldiers, ministers should give them the matériel they need.

telegraph.co.uk
 

tamarin

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When the troops come home Nutland will revert to what it's always been, a lawless tribal state. Where force and fear are in charge. We should be there only if we're able to unseat its base Darwinian order. It ain't gonna happen. Every Canadian life lost there is an indictment of an intellectual class here that simply doesn't understand some of the basics that rule the world.
 

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Its time to send the troops home and establish Canada once again as a peaceful country , What made Canada a great nation , We Canadians need to live our lives like Canadians and not to follow the USA in their lifestyle , Let them go straighten things out , They have all the resources , beside its pretty sad when they start knocking our troops off .
 

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Our Troops Must NOT come home from Afghanistan!!

Jack Lay-it-on the mindless BS NDPer has made it clear that the NDP do not believe in our Military and peace and security for our Country. The NDP sucks big time. In fact they have embarrassed and insulted our Military and furthermore have put them in peril because of the NDP stupidity.

The reason why we do not have a tatoo on our asses or foreheads that is a Swastika is because we had brave men and women who went to war from 1939 to 1945 to protect us Canadians.

The NDP and Lefty Fiberals are cowards and do not believe in peace and security for Canada.

They are an insult to us Canadians !!!
 

tamarin

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Europe was not in the hand of the Nutters. It was under the heel of a brutal, fascist regime. One that could be unseated and was. Afghanistan is different. You are not going to change the way the region thinks or behaves no matter how many western lives are lost there. Time to get out.
Comparing Nutland to the threat of the Third Reich is a non-starter.
 

GentleGiant

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If one does NOT get rid of terrorists NOW then get ready for the terrorist actions in Canada starting with bombing of subways in Montreal Oinktown and Vancouver.

The lefty's in this country simply do NOT have the common sense or intelligence to understand that it is very necessary for our troops to be in Afghanistan and get on the backs of those Taliban terrorists and kill them.

One has to deliver a message that terrorism will not prevail in our country because our brave military troops will chase and kill them and rightfully so.

The cowardly NDP and Fiberals do not have the intestinal fortitude to defend this country of ours.
 

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GentleGiant said:
Our Troops Must NOT come home from Afghanistan!!

Jack Lay-it-on the mindless BS NDPer has made it clear that the NDP do not believe in our Military and peace and security for our Country. The NDP sucks big time.
Hear hear.

Layton called a press conference, at which he proceeded to spout his unprincipled political rhetoric, before the bodies of these soldiers were even cold. What a sleaze...what a self-righteous creep; mixing mortar for his political ambitions with the blood of these heroic men. I would rather see Bush as Canada's PM.