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Bush or Obama: The Quiz

By Randall Hoven


1. President Bush was famous for lacking "intellectual curiosity", while President Obama has been called "the smartest guy ever to become President." Which one reads more books, Bush or Obama?

2. Bush was often considered to be in the grip of Big Oil. In contrast, Obama was a Harvard educated lawyer. Which industry contributed more than five times as much as the other to politicians: the oil & gas industry or lawyers/law firms?

3. Bush's Christian faith was at the core of his political identity, and he was considered to be in the grip of the "religious right", while Obama is considered more open-minded. In fact, Obama has said, "my faith is one that admits some doubt." Which one refers to Jesus more in public speeches?

4. Bush was criticized for excessive federal spending and running up huge deficits. Bush's deficit in 2008 was the largest in history. In fact, President Obama said,
"It's a little hard for me to take criticism from folks about this recovery package after they've presided over a doubling of the national debt... What I won't do is return to the failed theories of the last eight years that got us into this fix in the first place."
Whose deficit was more than triple the size of the other's: Bush's 2008 deficit or Obama's 2009 deficit?

5. While Obama criticized Bush for "a doubling of the national debt", the federal debt held by the public went from 35.1% of GDP in 2000 to 40.8% of GDP in 2008 -- an increase of 16% as of fraction of GDP. What is it expected to be in 2016 under Obama's budget plan?

6. Obama criticized Bush for Guantanamo, military tribunals, wiretaps, troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and "signing statements". Which one of these Bush practices has Obama ended?

Answers:

1. Bush. Obama started reading a book in April and had not finished it by June, putting him on a pace of no more than 10 books per year. Bush read 40 to 95 books a year while President, plus reading the complete Bible every year. Bush scored 1206 on his SAT, putting his IQ in the 125-130 range, smarter than 95% of the population and in the company of Lincoln, Rousseau and Thackeray. He graduated from Yale and earned an MBA from Harvard. Obama earned a law degree from Harvard, but has not released any of his academic records. Despite what you might have heard, we know nothing of his IQ, test scores or grades from any of the schools he attended.

2. Law firms. In the 2010 cycle so far, Lawyers/Law Firms have contributed $33,779,866 so far (81% to Democrats), and the Oil & Gas industry has contributed $6,293,631 (34% to Democrats). In the 2008 cycle, the numbers were $233,499,989 (76% to Dems) from lawyers and $35,564,322 (23% to Dems). In all, lawyers contributed about six times more to politicians than the Oil & Gas industry.

3. Obama. Per Eamon Javers at Politico, "As president, Barack Obama has mentioned Jesus Christ in a number of high-profile public speeches -- something his predecessor George W. Bush rarely did in such settings."

4. Obama's 2009 deficit, the largest in US history. It was more than three times that of Bush's record 2008 deficit. Per the Congressional Budget Office, the 2008 deficit was $455 B, and the 2009 deficit was $1,417 B. As a fraction of GDP, it was the largest deficit since 1945.

5. The CBO expects the debt held by the public to be 77.1% of GDP in 2016 under Obama's plan, or an increase of 89% as a fraction of GDP, and the highest level since 1950.

6. None.

  • Guantanamo is still open and probably will be into 2010 and maybe longer.
  • Obama is keeping military tribunals and clandestine wiretapping programs
  • Obama plans to keep most troops in Iraq until the summer of 2010. Even then, he is talking of keeping about 50,000 troops there (compared to about 124,000 now). The number of US troops in Afghanistan has increased from 37,000 in January 2009 to 62,000 by August 2009, and Obama is expected to send over 30,000 more. Total number of US troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan has increased under Obama so far (from about 184,000 in January to 186,000 in September).
  • Obama has used signing statements himself
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November 09, 2009
Bush or Obama: The Quiz

By Randall Hoven


1. President Bush was famous for lacking "intellectual curiosity", while President Obama has been called "the smartest guy ever to become President." Which one reads more books, Bush or Obama?

2. Bush was often considered to be in the grip of Big Oil. In contrast, Obama was a Harvard educated lawyer. Which industry contributed more than five times as much as the other to politicians: the oil & gas industry or lawyers/law firms?

3. Bush's Christian faith was at the core of his political identity, and he was considered to be in the grip of the "religious right", while Obama is considered more open-minded. In fact, Obama has said, "my faith is one that admits some doubt." Which one refers to Jesus more in public speeches?

4. Bush was criticized for excessive federal spending and running up huge deficits. Bush's deficit in 2008 was the largest in history. In fact, President Obama said,
"It's a little hard for me to take criticism from folks about this recovery package after they've presided over a doubling of the national debt... What I won't do is return to the failed theories of the last eight years that got us into this fix in the first place."
Whose deficit was more than triple the size of the other's: Bush's 2008 deficit or Obama's 2009 deficit?

5. While Obama criticized Bush for "a doubling of the national debt", the federal debt held by the public went from 35.1% of GDP in 2000 to 40.8% of GDP in 2008 -- an increase of 16% as of fraction of GDP. What is it expected to be in 2016 under Obama's budget plan?

6. Obama criticized Bush for Guantanamo, military tribunals, wiretaps, troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and "signing statements". Which one of these Bush practices has Obama ended?

Answers:

1. Bush. Obama started reading a book in April and had not finished it by June, putting him on a pace of no more than 10 books per year. Bush read 40 to 95 books a year while President, plus reading the complete Bible every year. Bush scored 1206 on his SAT, putting his IQ in the 125-130 range, smarter than 95% of the population and in the company of Lincoln, Rousseau and Thackeray. He graduated from Yale and earned an MBA from Harvard. Obama earned a law degree from Harvard, but has not released any of his academic records. Despite what you might have heard, we know nothing of his IQ, test scores or grades from any of the schools he attended.

2. Law firms. In the 2010 cycle so far, Lawyers/Law Firms have contributed $33,779,866 so far (81% to Democrats), and the Oil & Gas industry has contributed $6,293,631 (34% to Democrats). In the 2008 cycle, the numbers were $233,499,989 (76% to Dems) from lawyers and $35,564,322 (23% to Dems). In all, lawyers contributed about six times more to politicians than the Oil & Gas industry.

3. Obama. Per Eamon Javers at Politico, "As president, Barack Obama has mentioned Jesus Christ in a number of high-profile public speeches -- something his predecessor George W. Bush rarely did in such settings."

4. Obama's 2009 deficit, the largest in US history. It was more than three times that of Bush's record 2008 deficit. Per the Congressional Budget Office, the 2008 deficit was $455 B, and the 2009 deficit was $1,417 B. As a fraction of GDP, it was the largest deficit since 1945.

5. The CBO expects the debt held by the public to be 77.1% of GDP in 2016 under Obama's plan, or an increase of 89% as a fraction of GDP, and the highest level since 1950.

6. None.

  • Guantanamo is still open and probably will be into 2010 and maybe longer.
  • Obama is keeping military tribunals and clandestine wiretapping programs
  • Obama plans to keep most troops in Iraq until the summer of 2010. Even then, he is talking of keeping about 50,000 troops there (compared to about 124,000 now). The number of US troops in Afghanistan has increased from 37,000 in January 2009 to 62,000 by August 2009, and Obama is expected to send over 30,000 more. Total number of US troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan has increased under Obama so far (from about 184,000 in January to 186,000 in September).
  • Obama has used signing statements himself
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Kreskin

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We're trying to forget about Bush and his 3 trillion dollar war in Iraq. Does he ever go away?
 

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Here is the executive summary of this thread, for those who don't have time to slog through yet more bs:

Hello, I don't like Obama, so I'm going to start yet another thread saying that I don't like Obama.

Just in case you thought I had a one track mind.
 

Ron in Regina

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George W. Bush was fodder for way more material to comedians like
Will Ferrell and the rest than Barak Obama. I'm not sure if that's a
positive or a negative for Bush, but its got to count for something.

 

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I wonder who has better reading comprehension? And the degree of difficulty?

 

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George W. Bush was fodder for way more material to comedians like
Will Ferrell and the rest than Barak Obama. I'm not sure if that's a
positive or a negative for Bush, but its got to count for something.


Ron, my son used to have a calendar. It had 365 of Bush’s dumb sayings for 365 days (misunderestimate etc.)

One would be hard put to make a similar calendar for Obama.
 

DaSleeper

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When Obama makes a blunder the left wing press hides it compared to making it a big deal for Bush..
He has Bush beat with indecisiveness;-)
 

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Excuse me for a sec, is this thread about Obama or Bush? Are there no other threads about Obama? About Bush? I think this is just another small-minded trolling thread.
 

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When Obama makes a blunder the left wing press hides it compared to making it a big deal for Bush..

Funny, I remember all the networks being upfront about the Obama Whitehouse and it's dealings with Fox News. How about recently, the media response to his first remarks on the Fort Hood shooting? I don't think the 'left-wing' press hid any of that.

Someone's bias may be showing a wee bit ;-)
 

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Nothing was said (although I rarely tune into the alphabet stations)...
to my knowledge that President and Mrs. Bush visited the Ft. Hood base quietly
yesterday visiting with the families of the slain and wounded - off camera.

It wasn't a photo op - it was a personal visit to people in trauma - again victims of another terrorist attack although the government refuse to let that descriptive be used by the press.

Obama will make it a State Visit with his ever present prompter and well written, beautiful linguistic style and I hope he also will being peace to the chaos there.

Two different men - two different styles Both visits befitting their present
occupations.

The president is speaking the whole country as well as the victims and his message is to calm us against the thread again of terrorism rising..... The Bush Jr. family were there as parents and public figures, but not in a public role - a compassionate
one - leaving office does not deny them a continued relationship with the people who serve our nation.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Ron, my son used to have a calendar. It had 365 of Bush’s dumb sayings for 365 days (misunderestimate etc.)

One would be hard put to make a similar calendar for Obama.


Mr. Bush has over an 8:1 time advantage over Mr. Obama. If we give
Obama another seven years....who knows what volume of material
he'll provide the Comedians.
 

DaSleeper

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Funny, I remember all the networks being upfront about the Obama Whitehouse and it's dealings with Fox News. How about recently, the media response to his first remarks on the Fort Hood shooting? I don't think the 'left-wing' press hid any of that.

Someone's bias may be showing a wee bit ;-)

That's only because the other networks are now afraid of being upstaged by Fox... after their fiasco of being caught with their pants down and a week late with the Acorn affair.......


And of course you don't show any bias whatsoever:?::smile:
 

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Mr. Bush has over an 8:1 time advantage over Mr. Obama. If we give
Obama another seven years....who knows what volume of material
he'll provide the Comedians.
Obama's Forgettable Memorial Day
By Michael WeissPosted Tuesday, May 27, 2008

Conservative bloggers are parsing Barack Obama's gaffe-filled Memorial Day speech, and everyone else is in a tizzy over Emily Gould's confessions-of-a-blogger New York Times Magazine cover story.
Obama's forgettable Memorial Day: Conservative bloggers are fired up over Barack Obama's Memorial Day speech, in which he said, "On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes—and I see many of them in the audience here today—our sense of patriotism is particularly strong" and talked about how his uncle helped liberate Auschwitz, a task actually accomplished by the Red Army. (Late Tuesday, Obama's camp clarified that the candidate meant to say Buchenwald, not Auschwitz.)
Ed Morissey at Hot Air sighs: "Does Obama see dead people? Coming from Chicago, one might be tempted to joke that they would form a natural portion of his constituency, but obviously Obama confused this with Veterans Day, which honors our living veterans of war. Unfortunately, most of the nation makes the same mistake, and small wonder when its leadership can't distinguish between the two." Conservative Jimmie at the Sundries Shack says: "I'm going to call his verbal boners 'Duh-bamas' in honor of the man who graces us with them so very, very often."

Barack Obama: Gaffe Machine

by Daniel Ruwe on Wed, 05/28/2008

For sheer number and stupidity of gaffes, it’s hard to beat Barack Obama.
Some of Barack Obama’s verbal miscues are merely amusing: he has given the U.S. ten more states (he visited 57, and had three more to visit), declared that his “racist” grandmother was a “typical white person”, and thought he saw some “fallen heroes” in the audience for a Memorial Day speech (fallen heroes are dead, so it would be hard for any of them to make his speech). Others illustrate his radically liberal worldview—he doesn’t want his daughters to be “punished with a baby”, and described his discovery as a young man that white people were only satisfied “if you [as a black man] made no sudden moves.”

However, other Obama quotes seem to come from a man who is far more liberal than he claims to be. His statement that “we can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK” is terrifying. It implies that Obama would impose limits on the amount of food we food, and enact thermostat controls to ensure that no one uses too many resources. Obviously, he wouldn’t be able to do all that as president—but it seems he wishes he could.
 

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That's only because the other networks are now afraid of being upstaged by Fox... after their fiasco of being caught with their pants down and a week late with the Acorn affair.......

So here's Fox news, September 15th, asking where the mainstream media is in covering this story.
Where Is Mainstream Media on Undercover ACORN Videos? - Hannity - FOXNews.com

Where, or rather when were they covering it?
Here's the NYTimes on September 11:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/us/politics/12acorn.html?_r=1

ABC, on September 10th:
ACORN Fires 2 After Hidden-Camera Footage Aired - ABC News

See, frequently Fox commentators will make these claims, without even checking. It's very easy to use Google's algortihms. Type, click, and bam. Simple.

Check it out, Reuters, WPost, Wall Street Journal, they were all on it.

And of course you don't show any bias whatsoever:?::smile:
No, of course I do. But I try very hard to make sure my bias isn't leading me to make claims that are demonstrably false.
 

SirJosephPorter

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No, of course I do. But I try very hard to make sure my bias isn't leading me to make claims that are demonstrably false.

That indeed is the problem. There is something about Obama (perhaps his skin color?) that makes his critics so blind with rage, so blind with hatred that they make all sorts of wild accusations again him, without a shred of proof. It doesn’t matter to them that they are demonstrably false.

Thus to date Obama has been called a Fascist, a Nazi, a Communist, a Socialist, a USSR spy (not Russian spy, but a spy of the defunct USSR), a Muslim terrorist, an illegal alien among other things.

To Obama haters, it does not make a particle of difference that none of these charges can be proved. They know that they are true and that is all that matters. I have not seen any person make his detractors so blind with rage, so blind with hatred before. Not even Clinton managed that (and Clinton haters were very passionate about their hatred of Clinton).