Bush approved raids in Pakistan: former official

[Praxius]

This is a NATO mission, one sanctioned and supported by the UN.

I am fully aware of this, and I have even said the exact same words in the past... that is not in dispute.

However, I have also been saying we should be pulling our arses out of NATO, as I see no logic in some group organization of nations dictating what our own nation does, and vice versa.

If there is trouble in the world for a country, then that country can ask us for help and we can help.... but I don't see why we should be in some fancy dancy club that contracts us out to the majority vote of other nations for their best interests.

NATO was supposed to be against the Cold War.... the Cold War is over..... the organization has had talk of falling apart since Afghanistan.... now we have a fresh conflict with Russia again..... what a suprise... and what timing if you ask me.

One can not fight a war if they unilaterally restrict themselves to fight only inside some arbitrary line drawn on a map. If your enemy is operating from somewhere else, you must seek him out and kill him there.

Fine, do it then.... but don't expect that nation you are invading to not attack you back with whatever means they have at their disposal.....

The problem now is that we're fighting the Taliban.... keep this dumb ass plan up and we'll also have Pakistan's military to fight too...... I'm sure that will make things oh so much easier.

There was a solid plan of how to deal with this whole situation, and it was working..... the reason why it is failing is because of the US's cowboy methods of doing things on their own, in secret and without regard for civilian life, which endangers all the other allied nation's and their progress..... and if our own ally is going to screw up their own war, then why the hell should we remain there to get killed for a plan that will never work?

There's "Staying the Course" and then there's "Using your brain" and having the best interests of your own people, not some other nation's revenge.

Don't forget this was all about trying to get Osama..... now it's all about erradicating the Taliban, which will never happen.... it's like the War on Drugs or the War on Terrorism..... they are goals without ends, as it only takes one person to start any of them back up...... and since the majority of drugs are naturally grown on this planet.... this shows you the mentality of the people we're following into battle.

The Americans have done us a favour.......they are (with the Brits) the only ones stepping up to the plate in Afghanistan. They deserve our thanks for this mission, not our derision.

It is our troops they are helping........

You'd think it was our troops they were attacking by the reaction.......

I'm not blaming the British, I am blaming the US..... once I hear reports of the British attacking accross the border, I will begin to blame them directly too.

And yes, by these actions, they are indirectly attacking our troops, by killing more civilians, breaking their own rules and agreements with Pakistan, proving to many in the Middle East that they can not be trusted, more take up arms, more take up arms against us..... more of our troops die.

It's pretty basic and pretty simple.... even our own troops and the government of Pakistan are saying this..... and they're the one's who are a lot closer to the situation then you or I, so I would have to say they know more about the situation then you or I.

 

[Praxius]

No no no no, we deserve their thanks for giving them the lives of nearly one hundred of our bravest men......don't ever forget that....ever.

Agreed..... they wanted us over there, we're over there.... they're increasing the risks by their indiscriminant attacks.... hell, we've been in front of those attacks a couple of times already..... remember the A-10 strafing our troops while they slept?

If they're not going to give a sh*t about anybody else except themselves, then why the hell shouldn't we care about ourselves and piss off on them to fight their own corrupt war on their own?

 

[earth_as_one]

This is a NATO mission, one sanctioned and supported by the UN.

One can not fight a war if they unilaterally restrict themselves to fight only inside some arbitrary line drawn on a map. If your enemy is operating from somewhere else, you must seek him out and kill him there.

The Americans have done us a favour.......they are (with the Brits) the only ones stepping up to the plate in Afghanistan. They deserve our thanks for this mission, not our derision.

It is our troops they are helping........

You'd think it was our troops they were attacking by the reaction.......

Did NATO approve starting a war with Pakistan?

 

[Praxius]

Say... what do most Americans really think of Canada... they don't!! :lol:

Good. Not like it'd matter what they would have thought of us, nor is it a suprise that they'd only think about themselves anyways.... don't forget, they're the centre of the universe.

 

[EagleSmack]

What does yankee mean anyway smack? It sounds vaguely as if it refers to some sort of pulling or strokeing motion, perhaps whale boating talk cus it was the New Englanders that was yankees in the old days when we used to burn your villages and make off with yer wimmins whenever we liked. We always washed our feet in your beer though it wasn't and still isn't fit to loot. "Weak fur trapping syrup makers" isn't that Vermont? I know lots of Americans who don't want to be Americans Smack. You're living in the past, with the dream. You are partially right about our lacking, but that's sunshine Smack we'd love the States even if there weren't any Americans in it.

How colorful even if it is dillusional. You almost sound as if Canadians were Vikings. Oh how your kind longs for greatness and significance. For recognition...by anyone. So sad.

 

[EagleSmack]

Good. Not like it'd matter what they would have thought of us, nor is it a suprise that they'd only think about themselves anyways.... don't forget, they're the centre of the universe.

Well we know that we are the center of some Candians universe that is for sure.

Obsession is never good Prax.

 

[Praxius]

Well we know that we are the center of some Candians universe that is for sure.

Obsession is never good Prax.

Indeed it's not.... but when there's nothing else to talk about in the forums or in the news.... when in Rome.....

 

[EagleSmack]

Indeed it's not.... but when there's nothing else to talk about in the forums or in the news.... when in Rome.....

Boy did you just say a mouthfull and sum up a lot of things.

 

[Praxius]

Boy did you just say a mouthfull and sum up a lot of things.

Well once in a while I try ;-)

 

[#juan]

Bush approved raids in Pakistan:

There was another U.S. raid in Pakistan on the news this morning. There were multiple deaths and injuries but not as many as the first one. I have to admit that when the Taliban can run across the border into Pakistan for refuge something has to be done, and it should be done by Pakistan, not the U.S.

 

[Stretch]

At All Cost"
Tags: PAKISTAN

"The sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country will be defended at all cost and no external force is allowed to conduct operations inside Pakistan," [Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani] said.
Have the people of the United States understood what Bush is doing here?
He just started a war with a nuclear armed nation of some 170 million people.
Have the NATO/ISAF troops in Afghanistan and their civilian overlords understood what Bush is doing here?

Webmaster's Commentary:
Apparently, the knee-jerk reaction from this administration, when they have created a disaster and a completely no-win situation (as they have with occupation of Afghanistan), they only thing they appear to understand how to do is create yet another disaster.
In both Pakistan and Afghanistan, most of the people consider their government officials so crooked that they have to screw their socks on in the morning.
The only real way to resolve the problems in Afghanistan and Pakistan is to involve insurgents in the political and social process, and give them and their families some hope for the future.
Of course, this would be logical. But as has been painfully on display for the reign of the Bush administration, logic has absolutely no relationship with the thought processes of the people currently holding the reins of power in this country.
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m47178&hd=&size=1&l=e

 

[EagleSmack]

Bush approved raids in Pakistan:

There was another U.S. raid in Pakistan on the news this morning. There were multiple deaths and injuries but not as many as the first one. I have to admit that when the Taliban can run across the border into Pakistan for refuge something has to be done, and it should be done by Pakistan, not the U.S.

I agree with you Juan. Something has to be done. If that is their place of refuge and they are crossing the border to kill Afghan, US, Canadian and British troops something has to be done if the Pakistani's won't do it. I know they have their problems with these people too and how volatile the border is but as you said...something needs to be done.

 

[lone wolf]

I agree with you Juan. Something has to be done. If that is their place of refuge and they are crossing the border to kill Afghan, US, Canadian and British troops something has to be done if the Pakistani's won't do it. I know they have their problems with these people too and how volatile the border is but as you said...something needs to be done.

One of the things we DID learn from Vietnam is a soldier without country doesn't respect borders. It's a UN sanctioned action. Pakistan has its place to file the complaint.

 

[Just the Facts]

These raids could easily plunge Pakistan into a state of chaos and civil war which could easily lead to Pakistan becoming a radical anti-west Islamic state.

Wouldn't want to risk disturbing the calm rational state of harmonious cooperation and peace that defines Pakistan today. :roll:

 

[Just the Facts]

Very likely we can negotiate a peace deal or at least a truce with them. They agree to let us build schools, mosques and hospitals and we agree not to impose our culture on them. I doubt the Taliban have any interest in Canada.

Ummm, isn't that what Musharraf did? As Dr. Phil would say, "how's that working for you!?"

The Taliban's interest is in the world. Canada is in the world. Ergo, the Taliban has an interest in Canada.

 

[Just the Facts]

Fine, do it then.... but don't expect that nation you are invading to not attack you back with whatever means they have at their disposal.....

The problem now is that we're fighting the Taliban.... keep this dumb ass plan up and we'll also have Pakistan's military to fight too...... I'm sure that will make things oh so much easier.

Wasn't there a back breaking incident a little while ago that changed everything? I mean, we always knew Pakistan was two-faced in regards to fighting the Talibs, and Mushy had a heck of a job walking the fine line. I believe the you know what hit the fan when Pakistani soldiers actually fired on American troops in defense of Taliban fighters.

Fog of war and everything, I know, but I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere.

So in essence, it's actually the U.S. that was doing the "attack you back".

There was a solid plan of how to deal with this whole situation, and it was working..... the reason why it is failing is because of the US's cowboy methods of doing things on their own

:?: Again, I kind of think the whole thing is because it WASN'T working. Pakistan was playing both sides, taking US money while doing none of the promised "Taliban cleansing" in return, as promised.

So it didn't fail because of cowboy methods....cowboy methods were deployed bacause it failed.

 

[Just the Facts]

Did NATO approve starting a war with Pakistan?

Pakistan is a battle field, not a war. Just like Afghanistan and Iraq. They're all part of the greater war.

 

[Just the Facts]

Good. Not like it'd matter what they would have thought of us, nor is it a suprise that they'd only think about themselves anyways.... don't forget, they're the centre of the universe.

I thought Toronto was the center of the universe!!!

 

[Just the Facts]

Bush approved raids in Pakistan:

There was another U.S. raid in Pakistan on the news this morning. There were multiple deaths and injuries but not as many as the first one. I have to admit that when the Taliban can run across the border into Pakistan for refuge something has to be done, and it should be done by Pakistan, not the U.S.

"Should" is the key operative.

 

[Just the Facts]

Apparently, the knee-jerk reaction from this administration

Pakistan had seven years to demonstrate which side they're on. Hardly knee-jerk.