British MP banned from entering Canada

[earth_as_one]

OK I just got back from the "Resisting War from Gaza to Khandahar". It was unfortunate that Galloway was not able to deliver the speech in person. The video feed interfered with the message somewhat. Its like the difference between watching a concert live or watching it on TV.

I submitted my question, but he only had time to answer three questions. Mine wasn't one of them.

But he did talk to this point in a way. It was when he was talking about why he did not support Hamas and would not vote for Hamas. (Galloway has a Palestinian passport and technically can vote in the next Palestinian election) But he understood why Palestinians voted for Hamas, because they can be trusted and they aren't corrupt like Fatah. They don't live in expensive villas in Europe nor do they send their children abroad to study. I believe Hamas gave him their word they would use the money for humanitarian purposes.

 

[Cannuck]

OK I just got back from the "Resisting War from Gaza to Khandahar". It was unfortunate that Galloway was not able to deliver the speech in person. The video feed interfered with the message somewhat. Its like the difference between watching a concert live or watching it on TV.

Did you swoon?

 

[Colpy]

I believe Hamas gave him their word they would use the money for humanitarian purposes.

I am speechless.

unbelieveable!

 

[gopher]

I stand corrected, Kenny should have himself arrested...

Amen!!

 

[Colpy]

Amen!!

Gopher....have you taken ALL your medication this evening?

We don't want a repeat of last night....I'll call in the head nurse........

 

[gopher]

Colpy, that link didn't work.

But yes last night was a real win for the good guys. Thanks to you, I forwarded that link from Western to other sites and spread the good word.

Like I said, I would NOT have paid attention to the news if those f^ck brains in Ottawa behaved themselves and allowed Mr Galloway entry into your shores. But because they persist in their sh/t, I spread the news and now he got far more attention than he would have gotten.

Thanks again!

 

[Colpy]

Colpy, that link didn't work.

But yes last night was a real win for the good guys. Thanks to you, I forwarded that link from Western to other sites and spread the good word.

Like I said, I would NOT have paid attention to the news if those f^ck brains in Ottawa behaved themselves and allowed Mr Galloway entry into your shores. But because they persist in their sh/t, I spread the news and now he got far more attention than he would have gotten.

Thanks again!

You are welcome....I'm just happy he didn't set foot in my country.

BTW, I don't think I posted the Western link..........but I do like the place.......read up on Ezra Levant and his scrap with the Human Rights Commission.....fascinating stuff.

 

[gopher]

George Galloway is welcomed in Gopherland any time he wants!

Hopefully, he will come real soon and be given a Hero's welcome!!

 

[Francis2004]

You are welcome....I'm just happy he didn't set foot in my country.

BTW, I don't think I posted the Western link..........but I do like the place.......read up on Ezra Levant and his scrap with the Human Rights Commission.....fascinating stuff.

Your sooooo right Colpy.. I am so glad he did not set foot in our country also..

The Video link from New York for the Video Conference really did nothing to promote from the 50 to 100 people ( original attendence ) to over 1,000 or even more looking him up on YouTube and such in Canada for the next engagements.

Such a great way to keep him out of the spot light and not bring attention to his cause... Great job..

So who do we pick on next and decide to ban ? We can't just stop now that we are on a roll.. Let's keep adding people to the list so we can keep everyone we don't like.. And when we change political parties in power we can change people we don't want in Canada as well. Great idea..

Can you hear the sarcasm.. :roll:

 

[lone wolf]

I am speechless.

unbelieveable!

I believe Harper said the economy was in good shape and we wouldn't have a recession here....

Maybe it's all in the odour of the shyte....

 

[Colpy]

Your sooooo right Colpy.. I am so glad he did not set foot in our country also..

The Video link from New York for the Video Conference really did nothing to promote from the 50 to 100 people ( original attendence ) to over 1,000 or even more looking him up on YouTube and such in Canada for the next engagements.

Such a great way to keep him out of the spot light and not bring attention to his cause... Great job..

So who do we pick on next and decide to ban ? We can't just stop now that we are on a roll.. Let's keep adding people to the list so we can keep everyone we don't like.. And when we change political parties in power we can change people we don't want in Canada as well. Great idea..

Can you hear the sarcasm.. :roll:

(sigh)

I keep saying it, but nobody seems to be listening.

Who cares what Galloway thinks, or who listens to him?

Personally, I think the presentation of a wide variety of ideas is healthy, and if you read these threads, you will find I often defend the right of idiots to be idiots, or Nazis to be Nazis, and to be heard.....no matter how passionately I disagree.

But actions.....actions that are not legal if done in Canada....speak louder than mere words.

Galloway made his point by supplying Hamas with cash.

We made our point keeping Galloway out.

Nobody has been censored, forbidden to speak, silenced. No idea has been found unacceptable, beyond the Pale. we simply stood in the doorway of our house and said "Begone, foul Avon Lady of fascism, Vacuum Cleaner salesman of Terrorism, we need no personal demonstration, we'll watch your ads on TV....Thank you" (shut door)



Thus making our point.

As he made his in Gaza.

All's well.

 

[earth_as_one]

I am speechless.

unbelieveable!

Do you normally call someone a liar without any proof or justification?

If you called Hamas cold blooded killers and religious zealots, I wouldn't call you on that. From what I understand about these people, they would describe themselves as pious. Everything they do is dictated or guided by the Qu'ran. That's why they believe in an "eye for an eye". Their religious beliefs also allows the use of violence to defend themselves and fight opppression and injustice.

Seems to me the path to peace is stop attacking them and give them freedom and justice.

But liars? You are going to have to back up that statement. In all the research I've done on this subject I honestly can't recall any examples of Hamas being deceitful. They are religious zealots. The Qu'ran forbids deciept. These people would be going against their faith to lie. They believe deceit would lead to terrible consequences in the afterlife.

I'm not saying none of these people have ever lied, just that I've seen no evidence that as a rule Hamas deceitful. That's another reason why they won Palestinian elections.

So please support your accusation with some proof.

If Hamas gave their word to Galloway they would use the money for humanitarian reasons, I see no reason to believe the money went elsewhere. I realize that doesn't make Galloway innocent of supporting Hamas with money, but it does mean that he has no intention of supporting violence.

Galloway is no terrorist. He does not support terrorism. If Canadian laws can be misused to prevent someone who is a voice for peace, justice and freedom from entering Canada, then something is wrong with our laws and they need to be changed.

Some additional points Galloway made last night:

The same law which prevented him from entering Canada would also have prevented Nelson Mandela from entering Canada during the Apartheid era. At one time, Canada considered the ANC to be a terrorist organization. Now, politicians jostle to be able to shake Mandela's hand and get their picture taken with him. Governments and conditions change and many terrorists organizations eventually become legitimate governments.

Peace cannot be achieved in the region unless all the players involved are participate in the negotiations. Hamas was democratically elected by the people and if they are not involved, no agreement will have legitimacy.

Anyway here is the speech from March 30. Its very similar to the one I heard last night:

This speech is free: Galloway on Gaza | rabble.cahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_vsdTwbHvU

 

[elevennevele]

lone wolf: I believe Harper said the economy was in good shape and we wouldn't have a recession here....

Maybe it's all in the odour of the shyte....

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Yes, and he told us we would have zero deficits but we find out that even before the stimulus package this government was already running about 13 billion dollars of red ink. All the while still telling us everything is good.

Sometimes you can get more honesty from a designated terrorist than from a Prime Minister of Canada. More often than not, a terrorist won't mince words and will be up front on how they plan to hurt you.

So basically terrorism isn't about issues of honesty. It's about issues of methodology. You folks know what I mean.... shock and awe!

 

[elevennevele]

elevennevele: As far as being barred, Canadian citizenship doesn't matter either. We have shown we will even bar Canadians when no actual charges have been laid. We also appear have a problem with the idea of bringing home Canadians to face a judicial decision more in the fairness of our court systems when a Canadian is receiving punishment that is not in line with our views of human rights, OR not even being given a fair trial at all.

CDNBear: If you go to a foreign country and break their laws, pay the price.

That's why when I was in other countries, 1, I made sure to be aware of any cultural or legal issues that I may not necessarily be aware of otherwise. 2, I did my very best to keep my nose clean.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse in Canada, so is it in other Nations. As it should be.

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You are right about one thing, ignorance is no excuse. Let me illustrate what I mean by that...

globeandmail.com: PM failing Abdelrazik, opposition parties charge

Mr. Abdelrazik, who has been cleared in writing of any terrorist or criminal activity by both the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service and the RCMP, remains stranded in Khartoum because the Harper government refuses to issue him either a passport or an emergency travel document.

 

[elevennevele]

Mr. Abdelrazik, a Canadian citizen who is believed to have been tortured abroad, and who the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service and the RCMP have cleared in writing of any wrongdoing regarding terrorist or criminal activity can not get our government, 'the Harper -minority- government' to bring him home despite having undergone such conditions.

This Harper government is WEAK in protecting Canadians. Is WEAK in standing up for Canadians. That became very apparent when Harper asked what that Canadian UN observer was doing in a UN Post 'observing' after the Israelis blew him up.

Our government totally dropped that portfolio and still seem to cater to special interests that lobby for Israel over our county's own interests.

 

[Unforgiven]

Do you normally call someone a liar without any proof or justification?

If you tell lies, you run the risk of someone calling you a liar.

If you called Hamas cold blooded killers and religious zealots, I wouldn't call you on that. From what I understand about these people, they would describe themselves as pious. Everything they do is dictated or guided by the Qu'ran.

That's exactly what they are. I if I called a carrot a carrot would you call me a liar? A book is a book. No book is worth killing innocent people over. Not the bible, not the Qu'ran, no book at all.

That's why they believe in an "eye for an eye". Their religious beliefs also allows the use of violence to defend themselves and fight opppression and injustice.

The use of violence is fine to defend yourself. But always in proportion to defend yourself and pointed only at those who put you in immediate danger of life and limb. It's not sucking some gullible fool into thinking that blowing themselves up to kill a few innocent people is some favor to God. That's moronic.

Seems to me the path to peace is stop attacking them and give them freedom and justice.

That works both ways you know. Anytime someone stops, they attack someone. The more I look at it the more I see there is no reasoning with them, no possibility to live in peace with them. If they all choose to be religious warriors, so be it. If they choose to take the battlefield into their homes and among their families, then so be it.

But liars? You are going to have to back up that statement. In all the research I've done on this subject I honestly can't recall any examples of Hamas being deceitful. They are religious zealots. The Qu'ran forbids deciept. These people would be going against their faith to lie. They believe deceit would lead to terrible consequences in the afterlife.

Really? I see it all the time. Some of the most deceitful people on Earth have been seemingly pious religious leaders. I see a lot of hypocrisy as well. Complaining loudly about people doing to them what they do to others. Then denying that they do anything at all.

I'm not saying none of these people have ever lied, just that I've seen no evidence that as a rule Hamas deceitful. That's another reason why they won Palestinian elections.

They want to continue a war with Israel regardless of their inability to win. They attack civilians, then hide among highly populated Palestinian areas and bark like dogs about attacks on Palestinian civilians that get hurt or killed when Israel hunts down and kills one of theirs. I don't think deceitful can be made clearer than that.

So please support your accusation with some proof.

You're here talking about all the wonderful things that Hamas does. Getting people slaughtered no matter how much you say it's fighting for justice and defending themselves, is stupid and the epitome of injustice. Everyone knows that yet you keep claiming over and over again that it's virtue and righteousness on the part of Hamas. They're terrorists dude. You obviously know this. So you are a liar. That's just how it works.

If Hamas gave their word to Galloway they would use the money for humanitarian reasons, I see no reason to believe the money went elsewhere. I realize that doesn't make Galloway innocent of supporting Hamas with money, but it does mean that he has no intention of supporting violence.

Yeah like someone will shoot a rocket at kids but they won't lie to get more money to supply themselves with more rockets. How can you be so blind? Unless you're simply spoiling for a fight.

Galloway is no terrorist. He does not support terrorism. If Canadian laws can be misused to prevent someone who is a voice for peace, justice and freedom from entering Canada, then something is wrong with our laws and they need to be changed.

See what I mean.

Some additional points Galloway made last night:

The same law which prevented him from entering Canada would also have prevented Nelson Mandela from entering Canada during the Apartheid era. At one time, Canada considered the ANC to be a terrorist organization. Now, politicians jostle to be able to shake Mandela's hand and get their picture taken with him. Governments and conditions change and many terrorists organizations eventually become legitimate governments.

Peace cannot be achieved in the region unless all the players involved are participate in the negotiations. Hamas was democratically elected by the people and if they are not involved, no agreement will have legitimacy.

Anyway here is the speech from March 30. Its very similar to the one I heard last night:

This speech is free: Galloway on Gaza | rabble.ca

Did you think that no one here could find what Galloway has to say on the Net? Seems to me like you just want to post this crap all over as a few others do.

Do you send money to Hamas to support them?

 

[earth_as_one]

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.... More often than not, a terrorist won't mince words and will be up front on how they plan to hurt you.

So basically terrorism isn't about issues of honesty. It's about issues of methodology. You folks know what I mean.... shock and awe!

I agree, just because someone is a cold blooded killer, doesn't mean they are dishonest or honest. For example Osama Bin Laden is also honest:

Transcript of Osama Bin Ladin interview by Peter Arnett

In the case of Hamas, I've concluded they've been honest about their desire to kill anyone who oppresses and attacks Palestinians. But that doesn't mean I support them.

In the case of Harper conservatives, they lie when they talk peace because they act in support of Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity.

I can't support either of these groups for the basic reason that both groups seek solutions through death and destruction. That and because both oppose Gay Rights....

BTW,

the videos of Galloway's March 30, 2009 banned "from Gaza to Kandahar" speech

YouTube - George Galloway in Toronto by Video 1of5

YouTube - George Galloway in Toronto by Video 2of5

YouTube - George Galloway in Toronto by Video 3of5

YouTube - George Galloway in Toronto4of5

YouTube - George Galloway in Toronto by Video 5of5

 

[gerryh]

the video obviously wasn't banned.

 

[lone wolf]

...and look at all the publicity it got.

 

[gerryh]

...and look at all the publicity it got.

Yup...he took full advantage of the followers and non thinkers to turn this into something it wasn't.