BREAKING: WABC: One dead in school shooting in Newtown, CT
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No, but it would have been nice if those responsible for them were......
Absolutely dead on.
Which was my point... even as a very pro-Gun person.. this event with children involved is even changing my view point.
Personally I think they need to start by having a police officer at every school, and metal detectors at every entrance..
Remember it. Do you have any idea where the tumbling round will go after you shoot out a photo radar?
lol, seriously.. that's just talk.. I would not destroy public property over a $124 fine.. that was just B.S.
No worries..
As I said the ONLY times a gun should be used is in self defense of your home, hunting and in time of war.. sure target practice.
Actually, smuggled should be more like a mistake.. after which I locked it up.. It was packed away in my luggage on my return trip to Canada, and when I unpacked it was tucked away in the bottom of a bag.
It was supposed to have been left with my friend in Texas (an ex-Marine) who was kind enough to pack it for me, without tell me. UPS and FedEx will not ship it back.
So chill out lone wolf, I won't be on the 6 o'clock news for shooting up "anything" or "anyone" - unless they break into my place and try to kill me.. then.. equal force will be taken.
No back to the 20 children.. it turns out the mother owned the guns.. all 3 of them. She should have had them locked up in a gun safe.
Right on Cliffy. Don't matter what you do, you can't change the fact that Sh*t happens.
Yeah I think that was in "The Republic." I read it in high school and really enjoyed that part. Given I was in high school I heard a lot of adults complaining about my generation. It was comforting to know that there was nothing especially bad about my generation, its just something older people like to say about the younger regardless of the situation or circumstances.
Not quite the solution you suggest but something not too different. Make sure that only people with no mental health issues can buy guns, do background checks, make sure they dont have a criminal record - or at least not one involving violence. If the person is a sane law abiding citizen then sell it to them. If they are a potential threat because of mental health issues - dont.
As for preventing gun thefts, the same as preventing any theft. Security.
If the guy had made a bomb then look into how it was made. See what was involved. Some of the materials used may need tighter restrictions depending on what they are. If it was made with stuff that is already illegal then look into how he got it and try to stop others from being able to use the same source.
No, we will never truly stop murderers from killing en mass. That is no reason to say "well, we wont stop them so lets not do anything at all." Make it harder for them to succeed at doing what it is they want to do. I dont know if this guy got the guns legally. If he did Id look into why he was allowed to as clearly he has some problems. If it was illegal then as with bomb parts I say look to the source and try to stop it. At the very least it'll these attacks would be more difficult to pull off. Some might actually be prevented. Most of these mass shooters gave off plenty of warning sings which were ignored or just not noticed before they killed people.
Elemenatary school class....in Israel.
Yep, nothing like living in a state of continuous terror to make you feel secure.
My point being that if you are going to take drastic measures, then do something that will work.
Suspending the constitution and going door-to-door searching for firearms is not the solution. (yes, I saw that proposed on another board)
you're right, the 'right to bare arms' stuff, made some sense 2 hundred years ago,
and it should have been changed 1 hundred years ago, of course it is far too late for such a move to
have any success whatsoever, guns in the u.s. isn't much different than going to the store for milk
or bread, "or yeah, I need another gun while you're out", then when guns are mixed with people who are behaving abnormally, 'boom'.
its an epidemic that has been out of control for a long long time, just like the drug war, which will
never be won.
has anyone heard anything about this guy's dad?
what the hell were those guns doing hanging around the house. something was wrong with this person, and
his mother would have known that.
his mother is lucky she won't have to live with 'what her son did', and also 'what she didn't do', get those
guns out of her house, and away from him, she had some responsibility in this tragedy. Even though he
could have found a way to get guns, they shouldn't have been right under his nose, far too easy.
the increase in these incidents certainly tell us that there are many many people wandering around with ideas in their heads that would scare the 'crap' out of anyone.
i'm certainly looking forward to president obama's move to tighten up on these types of crimes.
the fact that his mother was a teacher there, was certainly the weak link in the security, I guess
he was let in without any problem. How could he walk right in with guns on him without tricking
an alarm of some kind, maybe that is next, just like an airport, I don't know, I feel so angry
and frustrated and sad that some sick head can snuff the life out of so many people, whether they
are children or adults, doesn't really matter, they are all just people trying to get through their
day in a good way.
No one's going to take any guns away.
The Congress had one of their own shot in the head (giffords) and it was 'move along nothing to see here'.
There may be call's for the automatic weapons ban to be re-instated, which we must ask, do you really need a machine gun? Maybe there should be stricter controls on accessibility and storage.
But here's another problem. It appears this latest shooter's guns were owned by his mother. Did she buy them in her name because he wanted them but couldn't get them? I suppose we will find out. But anyone can buy a gun without a background check.
If there was 'free' mental health care would that help? Maybe, but we also have the stigmatization that goes along with mental illness that causes people to not seek help. Of course I suppose that if you truly have mental problems you may not be aware or care of the stigmatization.
Word is this school was locked to prevent possible pedo's getting in. Apparently this shooter shot out a door window to open the door from the inside.
The vast majority of mass killers in the United States use legally acquired weapons. A significant body of evidence suggests the wide availability of guns is strongly linked with higher murder rates.
A Guide to Mass Shootings in America | Mother Jones
Australia’s 1996 gun law reforms: faster falls in firearm deaths, firearm suicides, and a decade without mass shootings
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The Congress had one of their own shot in the head (giffords) and it was 'move along nothing to see here'.
There may be call's for the automatic weapons ban to be re-instated, which we must ask, do you really need a machine gun? Maybe there should be stricter controls on accessibility and storage.
But here's another problem. It appears this latest shooter's guns were owned by his mother. Did she buy them in her name because he wanted them but couldn't get them? I suppose we will find out. But anyone can buy a gun without a background check.
If there was 'free' mental health care would that help? Maybe, but we also have the stigmatization that goes along with mental illness that causes people to not seek help. Of course I suppose that if you truly have mental problems you may not be aware or care of the stigmatization.
Word is this school was locked to prevent possible pedo's getting in. Apparently this shooter shot out a door window to open the door from the inside.
The vast majority of mass killers in the United States use legally acquired weapons. A significant body of evidence suggests the wide availability of guns is strongly linked with higher murder rates.
A Guide to Mass Shootings in America | Mother Jones
Australia’s 1996 gun law reforms: faster falls in firearm deaths, firearm suicides, and a decade without mass shootings
INJURYPREV : Injury Prevention
This act made my heart hurt. My little guy is too young for school but its every parents' greatest fear: not being able to protect your child. I don't know how you could be a parent and not feel that way. All I wanted to do last night was hug my son... but his 3 yr old energy just would not be restrained, which made me smile.
My wife, who tends to be more reactive, is lashing out at the NRA et al, and its hard not to but while I think there is some validity to it, its like SLM and others said earlier: if there is a will there's a way. That doesn't mean I support Colpy's assertion (indirect or otherwise) that the teachers should have been armed or that it would have done a damned thing either. I don't think kids and guns mix without a LOT of training for the users. I think schools can do more to increase security without putting firearms in the hands of hobbiests.
And for you idiots who want to blame this on the USA's inferior society and gun culture, just go ahead and bury your heads in the sand. Marc Lepine and that other freak didn't go on rampages in Montreal, right? Those kids in Taber didn't want to re-create Columbine either, right? And we all know there is no gun violence in Toronto, because the registries were such huge successes...
My wife, who tends to be more reactive, is lashing out at the NRA et al, and its hard not to but while I think there is some validity to it, its like SLM and others said earlier: if there is a will there's a way. That doesn't mean I support Colpy's assertion (indirect or otherwise) that the teachers should have been armed or that it would have done a damned thing either. I don't think kids and guns mix without a LOT of training for the users. I think schools can do more to increase security without putting firearms in the hands of hobbiests.
And for you idiots who want to blame this on the USA's inferior society and gun culture, just go ahead and bury your heads in the sand. Marc Lepine and that other freak didn't go on rampages in Montreal, right? Those kids in Taber didn't want to re-create Columbine either, right? And we all know there is no gun violence in Toronto, because the registries were such huge successes...
Isn't interesting that serious discussions about gun control only happen after tragedies like this?
I think we should realize that gun control is not a matter of freedom as principal, but instead a matter of deciding how much freedom a certain state has as a response to the likelihood of significant harm occurring in that state.
In this way, we do not need to have a bi-polar discussion between activists on both ends.
I think we should realize that gun control is not a matter of freedom as principal, but instead a matter of deciding how much freedom a certain state has as a response to the likelihood of significant harm occurring in that state.
In this way, we do not need to have a bi-polar discussion between activists on both ends.
It's nice when they are at that age where they don't have to 'get it'.
I think it's incredibly sad that we have to have security at schools at all, particularly to prevent school children from being killed.
The whole Gun thing won't change in the US because to a majority of pro-gun "people", their "right to bear arms" trumps the lives of the innocent murdered every day.
I’m sorry, but **** it, I can’t handle this—I just can’t handle it anymore,” said Deborah McEllis, who added that “no, no, no, no, no, this isn’t happening, this can’t be real.” “Seriously, what the hell is this? What’s even going on anymore? Why do things like this keep happening?”
“Well, I suppose we have to try to pick up the pieces and make some sort of sense of this tragedy and—you know what? **** it, I can’t do this,” said Connecticut resident Michael Zaleski, his remarks understandable given the circumstances, because, holy ****, what else can one say? “I’m sorry, but I can’t ****ing do this. Can you? Can anyone?”
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“Well, I suppose we have to try to pick up the pieces and make some sort of sense of this tragedy and—you know what? **** it, I can’t do this,” said Connecticut resident Michael Zaleski, his remarks understandable given the circumstances, because, holy ****, what else can one say? “I’m sorry, but I can’t ****ing do this. Can you? Can anyone?”
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/****-everything-nation-reports,30743/
Apparently there are been other such attacks against school kids in China, according to the article. Why little kids? That is really what I don't/can't understand. Does it have something to do with their innocence, their vulnerability.......what? And, how does someone stab 22 little kids without someone getting between him and the next child?
+1000
So I guess we'll have to sit down and decide which rights are good, and which rights are bad.
It seems to be OK to kill almost 100,000 children each year by abortion, so we can protect the rights of women.
How many kids are killed by firearms per year? 100? 500?
Yep, we really need to take a close look at the rights we want to stifle and why.
I like the idea of going after the amunition. One may have the right to bear arms but it doesn't mean they should necessarily have the ability to load and fire them at will. Keep them in showcases where they belong. Keep the ammo at ranges and account for every bullet. None should leave the premises.