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[Unforgiven]

"It's not that you can't get Seal meat in Canada it's just not something everyone likes the taste of."

I'd hazard a guess that 75% of Canadians have never eaten seal meat, so would have no idea whether they like it or not.

And why is that? Do you think it's because Canadians simple don't know there are seals in Canada and that they can be eaten? You can get Limburger cheese and Head cheese damn near anywhere in Canada yet few people I know have had it. Have you had a nice big bowl of tripe this year? If not why not? You can buy a goats head, boil the hell out of it and dig in. It's a delicacy in some places. Are you rushing right out today to buy some goat face for dinner?

How about this, how many of you pro seal hunt folks are going to have seal for dinner one day next week?

 

[JLM]

See, I fundamentally disagree. Modern nutrition has taught us that nowadays meat is nothing more than a luxury. There are plenty of alternatives to eating animal meat that are as nutritional or in some cases more nutritional. A meat free diet is neither difficult to accomplish nor dangerous to one's health, we are just culturally conditioned to eat meat. Meat is a luxury, like fur.

So I conclude that eating meat and wearing fur are one and the same. PETA agrees as well, but they won't tell that to anybody. The difference between PETA and me is that I say, "So go ahead and eat meat and wear fur," while they get nude 18 year old women to say, "Fur is murder," and when fur becomes outlawed they will say the same for eating meat.

From the PETA faq:

"There are plenty of alternatives to eating animal meat that are as nutritional or in some cases more nutritional."

YOu hear a lot of hype about meat. Is meat eaten in moderate quanity any more harmful than the alternatives? Cheese is high in cholesterol, fish can be high in mercury, so that basically leaves eggs and beans (by the ton). I don't count tofu- wouldn't feed it to the neighbour's dog.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

I don't care what you kill as long as you use the whole animal and it sustains your life and livelihood. Killing an animal only to skin it as a welfare program isn't.

And there goes your argument. How come when someone from the east coast earns a living it's called welfare but apply those same principles to anywhere else in Canada it's called work? Just curious, because it gets old and tired very fast when the same narrow minded rehetoric keeps popping up in mainland Canada towards the east coast. Fact of the matter is there's a demand for seal products and the east coast sealers are ready to provide that product. There's actual physical work involved.

 

[JLM]

And why is that? Do you think it's because Canadians simple don't know there are seals in Canada and that they can be eaten? You can get Limburger cheese and Head cheese damn near anywhere in Canada yet few people I know have had it. Have you had a nice big bowl of tripe this year? If not why not? You can buy a goats head, boil the hell out of it and dig in. It's a delicacy in some places. Are you rushing right out today to buy some goat face for dinner?

How about this, how many of you pro seal hunt folks are going to have seal for dinner one day next week?

I'm not a huge fan of Limburger cheese, but Head Cheese is my favourite sandwich meat and I buy it every chance I get. I'd say 95% of what people eat is stuff that's readily available on the store shelves and that's a pity as about 90% of the eating of 90% of the population is probably the sum total of 10 or 12 foods. Beef, pork chicken, eggs, bread, apples, bananas, macaroni, cheese, and lots of junk food.

 

[JLM]

And there goes your argument. How come when someone from the east coast earns a living it's called welfare but apply those same principles to anywhere else in Canada it's called work? Just curious, because it gets old and tired very fast when the same narrow minded rehetoric keeps popping up in mainland Canada towards the east coast. Fact of the matter is there's a demand for seal products and the east coast sealers are ready to provide that product. There's actual physical work involved.

Right on- a lot of well meaning people let their emotions take over from their brain.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

I didn't realize how fortunate we were as kids growing up and eating such a healthy diet of seafood and wild game, until I moved away in my early 20's and started eating store bought meat on a regular basis. My health went steadily downhill from there. Only recently have I started getting back to good eating habits again and the change to my body has been tremendous. I'm feeling less lethargic after reducing my meat intake that's for sure. I've started eating seafood again, although I don't quite trust the farmed stuff. Seafood is so much better for you than cow, pig or buffalo.

 

[Unforgiven]

fish can be high in mercury[/COLOR], so that basically leaves eggs and beans (by the ton). I don't count tofu- wouldn't feed it to the neighbour's dog.

Sorry, what is it that seals eat again? :lol:

 

[JLM]

I didn't realize how fortunate we were as kids growing up and eating such a healthy diet of seafood and wild game, until I moved away in my early 20's and started eating store bought meat on a regular basis. My health went steadily downhill from there. Only recently have I started getting back to good eating habits again and the change to my body has been tremendous. I'm feeling less lethargic after reducing my meat intake that's for sure. I've started eating seafood again, although I don't quite trust the farmed stuff. Seafood is so much better for you than cow, pig or buffalo.

Yep, you just have to look at the health statistics of places like Iceland and Japan. Seafood is definitely good, especially in moderation so you don't get loaded up with too much mercury, but I think that's mostly from the bottom feeders.

 

[Unforgiven]

And there goes your argument. How come when someone from the east coast earns a living it's called welfare but apply those same principles to anywhere else in Canada it's called work? Just curious, because it gets old and tired very fast when the same narrow minded rehetoric keeps popping up in mainland Canada towards the east coast. Fact of the matter is there's a demand for seal products and the east coast sealers are ready to provide that product. There's actual physical work involved.

My argument is sound and can stand anything you can think of to throw at it.

It is welfare. The only reason it exists is to get a few people to do some work to qualify for EI. There is no big market for anything seal related. There is a small market for seal fur alone. Not the meat or anything else.

There is a demand for kiddie porn. There is a demand for sex slaves. Is that excuse enough to exploit something regardless of any moral arguments? It's an extreme example but it's the same exploitation without regard for the welfare of anyone other than those doing the exploiting.

 

[Unforgiven]

I'm not a huge fan of Limburger cheese, but Head Cheese is my favourite sandwich meat and I buy it every chance I get. I'd say 95% of what people eat is stuff that's readily available on the store shelves and that's a pity as about 90% of the eating of 90% of the population is probably the sum total of 10 or 12 foods. Beef, pork chicken, eggs, bread, apples, bananas, macaroni, cheese, and lots of junk food.

One in the list you posted isn't produced in Canada. Seal is produced in Canada so why isn't it marketed in Canada in any way other than an oddity?

 

[TenPenny]

My argument is sound and can stand anything you can think of to throw at it.

It is welfare. The only reason it exists is to get a few people to do some work to qualify for EI. There is no big market for anything seal related. There is a small market for seal fur alone. Not the meat or anything else.

If there was no market for anything seal related, there would be no seal hunt. I know plenty of people who eat seal meat when they can get it.

You, sir, need to reset your facts. You are sorely misinformed.

 

[Unforgiven]

If there was no market for anything seal related, there would be no seal hunt. I know plenty of people who eat seal meat when they can get it.

You, sir, need to reset your facts. You are sorely misinformed.

Really? If I am sitting here with an ignorant grin then please knock the smile off my face. Show me this market for seal products to the tune of some 300,000 pups under a year old.

 

[TenPenny]

I don't know if you're grinning or not. You claim nobody eats seal meat.

Every person I know from Newfoundland does so at every opportunity they have.

Grin or not, I don't care. Makes no difference to me.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

My argument is sound and can stand anything you can think of to throw at it.

Shields up captain. Your argument is based on a spoon fed diatribe from the media that you swallowed hook line and sinker.

It is welfare. The only reason it exists is to get a few people to do some work to qualify for EI. There is no big market for anything seal related. There is a small market for seal fur alone. Not the meat or anything else.

It's not welfare. There is a demand for seals. Just not in this country. But if you want to keep your blinders on that's ok too.

There is a demand for kiddie porn. There is a demand for sex slaves. Is that excuse enough to exploit something regardless of any moral arguments? It's an extreme example but it's the same exploitation without regard for the welfare of anyone other than those doing the exploiting.

Comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges. The sealing industry is sustainable and has been proven for 350 years. It's the faint hearted that have a problem with it.

 

[Unforgiven]

I don't know if you're grinning or not. You claim nobody eats seal meat.

Every person I know from Newfoundland does so at every opportunity they have.

Grin or not, I don't care. Makes no difference to me.

They don't! There is no Seal Hut, no McSeal burger, no Seal on a stick at the Exibition. There is no Seal department in the gorcery stores, no Seal take out offered anywhere. "Everybody you know" is called "anicdotal". Feel free to post a link to all the restaurants in Nl that serve Harp Seal on a regular basis.

If you're hung up on the word "nobody" then I'll change that for you.

So few people eat Seal as a regular part of their diet, there is no market for it.

As well if you don't care, then what are you on about? Telling me that I am misinformed yet can't offer up any sort of argument other than "I know and guy who knows this guy who tried it once back in the day."

You have got to be kidding.

 

[Unforgiven]

Shields up captain. Your argument is based on a spoon fed diatribe from the media that you swallowed hook line and sinker.

Then it should be really really easy to refute everything I've posted about it. How come you haven't?

It's not welfare. There is a demand for seals. Just not in this country. But if you want to keep your blinders on that's ok too.

Then let's talk about the market for it. Post some fugures and some sources so we can see what this market is you're talking about.

Comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges. The sealing industry is sustainable and has been proven for 350 years. It's the faint hearted that have a problem with it.

So you don't even want to attempt a rebuttle? heh heh It's ok, I understand.

 

[TenPenny]

They don't! There is no Seal Hut, no McSeal burger, no Seal on a stick at the Exibition. There is no Seal department in the gorcery stores, no Seal take out offered anywhere. "Everybody you know" is called "anicdotal". Feel free to post a link to all the restaurants in Nl that serve Harp Seal on a regular basis.

I don't recall saying anything about restaurants.

If that's the best you can do, you're not worth my time.

 

[Unforgiven]

I don't recall saying anything about restaurants.

If that's the best you can do, you're not worth my time.

Oh brother. :roll:

 

[mt_pockets1000]

Feel free to post a link to all the restaurants in Nl that serve Harp Seal on a regular basis.

Not only NL but other places as well.

Seal meat on the rise, New Yorkers in the Junction, marriage linked to obesity | Read All About It | torontolife.com/daily

Seal meat becomes tasty delicacy in Canada after Europe bans imports: report

Greenland Restaurants

Seal meat, elk, salmon BBQ among aboriginal foods offered in B.C. | Sympatico / MSN Travel

Vertshuset Skarven

 

[gerryh]

FAQs: The Atlantic seal hunt

What is made out of the seal?

For hundreds of years, seals have been hunted for food, the lamp and cooking fuel made from their oil and their warm pelts. Seal products nowadays include leather, meat for animal and human consumption and seal oil, which is rich in Omega-3.