B.P.'s Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Thread (it's all here).....

gopher

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Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

Nope - nobody is having a laugh. Just a great big "I told you so".

Speaking of which, where are all the loud mouth Tea Baggers?

Up to just a month ago they were shouting shttt from here to Kingdom come but have clammed up all of a sudden. NO GOVERNMENT they screamed but are now begging for government handouts:

Thomas Frank: Laissez-Faire Meets the Oil Spill - WSJ.com


Lassez-Faire Meets the Oil Spill


Among the chatterati these days the favorite topic of conjecture is what the catastrophic Gulf oil spill means for President Obama. Pundits argue hotly over the correct historical comparison: Will the spill prove to be his Hurricane Katrina? His Three Mile Island? Or maybe his Iranian Hostage Crisis?
Meanwhile, a strange reticence has taken hold of Mr. Obama's ideological opponents. Where are the livid patriots who enthralled us for months with their fevered dreams of a socialist-minded, power-hungry federal government?
Only a short while ago, of course, the populist right was riding high, sweeping the primaries and insisting that the operations of the market must not be interfered with; that government intervention of even the slightest kind dangerously diminishes human freedom.
Just last week, for example, the Washington Post featured a 2,500-word essay by Arthur C. Brooks, head of the American Enterprise Institute, calling for a "New Culture War" for laissez-faire capitalism—a grand moral debate over the right relationship of business and government that Mr. Brooks felt his side was sure to win.
Well, the Gulf spill has given Mr. Brooks and his movement the perfect opportunity to stage that debate. On one side, we've got the liberty-minded oil companies, the gentle giants that, just two months ago, the right was so keen to liberate from federal interference and to unleash on the nation's coastline.

And on the side of government, we've got the Obama administration, which has backtracked on its new offshore-drilling policy and even announced plans to beef up drilling regulations. True, for most Americans that's not a lot of statism to deplore, but the tea party movement is accustomed to regard even the most insignificant regulatory initiative as a front in the eternal war between freedom and socialism.
Back in April, for example, Rep. Ron Paul (R., Texas) greeted the president's drilling policy with the suggestion that the Environmental Protection Agency be abolished and "the energy market" freed from bureaucrats so that it might answer to "the demands of the people and the decisions of private investors."
But what say the tea partiers today? Who will step forward now and demand that the "energy market" be rescued from regulatory bondage?
Other than Rand Paul, who will honor the snakeflag slogan and demand that the government stop treading on BP? Who will unmask the Gulf situation as just another fake crisis manufactured by power-hungry liberals? Who will lament the persecution of productive business executives by the looters of Washington, D.C., posturing so arrogantly in their hearing rooms but trembling in private as they contemplate the tsunami of liberty heading their way this November?
Most importantly, who will find an inventive way to blame government for the disaster? Not blame it for reacting too slowly after the spill—that is merely a statist reflex in disguise—but for somehow causing the spill with its meddlesome concerns for safety and the environment?



WHERE ARE THE TEA BAGGERS???????????
 

Tonington

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Re: US considers setting fire to Gulf of Mexico oil leak

Wish I hadn't done that. Now I'm depressed.
A few billion profit is worth massive wildlife death and other detrimental effects for decades to come. F*ck I hate greed!!

If it makes you feel better, the company is probably not going to survive this. The stock has dropped something like 30% since this disaster, and that's about $70 billion worth of market capitalization gone.

I'm sure someone will opt for a takeover, and it's not possible to have a worse safety record than BP.
 

ironsides

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Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

Yes, they can argue about who is at fault later if they wants, right now just get the thing capped off. Don't worry Gopher, were still here., not that party affiliation means anything now.
 

karrie

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Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

Considering that spills have happened before, and will happen again, society by and large obviously feels that industry trumps environment, so, I fail to see how environmentalists will come out of this doing anything other than being horrified as it becomes just another footnote in history.

Perhaps there will be some extra justification for remote BOP's (but it sounds like they wouldn't have helped in this case).... perhaps there will be some brilliant engineer who figures out how to stop bubbles of gas from coming to the surface and blowing everyone up like happened here.

But... throughout this, I haven't heard the government change its mind about newly expanded drilling areas which will open up the Atlantic Coast to drilling. They may not have a rally cry for it, but it doesn't change the outcome... they will be drilling.
 

karrie

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Re: US considers setting fire to Gulf of Mexico oil leak

If it makes you feel better, the company is probably not going to survive this. The stock has dropped something like 30% since this disaster, and that's about $70 billion worth of market capitalization gone.

I'm sure someone will opt for a takeover, and it's not possible to have a worse safety record than BP.

I don't think a takeover is possible without being too close to a monopoly T. I doubt BP will come out of this much differently than it is right now... people will snatch up their 'cheap' stock as soon as that gusher is capped, and their stock will go back up.
 

AnnaG

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Talked about it today with hubby, who spent 10 years doing completions in much lower pressure conditions, and he said it most certainly wouldn't work with the well flowing. They have numerous tools they could use, but setting while flowing doesn't work.
Well, IDK about stuff like this. but it made sense to me. I would imagine that the faster the balloon inflation the better, and as the pipe is only 9", that could be very fast. Les told me the pumps that they use in firefighting are build for large volume, high pressure water application (like . I would imagine adding gravity to the pressure would make an appropriately sized balloon expand in a very small fraction of a second. I think he said the snorkel he ran had two 5800 GPM pumps on it.

But, Les can always contact BP... from their website... " Do you have ideas to help us?:
+1 281 366 5511"
He's done stuff like that already. I think the first one he sent his idea to was Innocentive.com

edited to add... hubby says what Les is talking about are referred to as 'inflatable service packers'. I guarantee these companies would love to be the ones to put them in and take the pat on the back.
I would imagine, yes. It sounds like the fastest and easiest solution to me so far.
 

sombraa110

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Re: US considers setting fire to Gulf of Mexico oil leak

This problem is becoming now very dramatic. Now, BP is asking people to send their ideas on how to fix this problem.. Mmmm how ashamed is that?
 

AnnaG

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I heard something in the news yesterday about Canadian officials investigating to see if something similar could happen around Canuckville. Well, DUH! As soon as you move oil (or whatever material) around you increase the chances of having an accident with it.
 

AnnaG

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Quite so. However, as somebody said, no good crises should go to waste. If a result of this disaster is greater environmental awareness, not giving industry everything it wants (while completely ignoring the environment, as Republicans have done for decades), I am all for it.
Republicans weren't the only ones that did that.

Incidentally Johnny, I lived in Utah for 4½years (1971 to 1976). I did my Ph.D. at University of Utah (Salt lake City). I thoroughly enjoyed my stay in Utah.
How useful is a PhD in mirror inspection, though.

Considering that spills have happened before, and will happen again, society by and large obviously feels that industry trumps environment, so, I fail to see how environmentalists will come out of this doing anything other than being horrified as it becomes just another footnote in history.
I can't see it either.

Perhaps there will be some extra justification for remote BOP's (but it sounds like they wouldn't have helped in this case).... perhaps there will be some brilliant engineer who figures out how to stop bubbles of gas from coming to the surface and blowing everyone up like happened here.

But... throughout this, I haven't heard the government change its mind about newly expanded drilling areas which will open up the Atlantic Coast to drilling. They may not have a rally cry for it, but it doesn't change the outcome... they will be drilling.
Yup.

I'd like to see some kind of containment system in case GOPs fail. Maybe a large concrete bunker housing the area where the pipe emerges from the sea floor that can be valved and shut closed when something happens?
 

JLM

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Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

How useful is a PhD in mirror inspection, though.

?

Yer five main degrees
B.A. = Basic A&&hole
M.A. =Master A&&hole
B.S. = Bull Sh*t
M.S. = More of the same
Ph. D. = Piled higher and deeper :lol:
 

petros

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Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

Yer five main degrees
B.A. = Basic A&&hole
M.A. =Master A&&hole
B.S. = Bull Sh*t
M.S. = More of the same
Ph. D. = Piled higher and deeper :lol:
All far far better than SFA
 

Tonington

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I don't think a takeover is possible without being too close to a monopoly T. I doubt BP will come out of this much differently than it is right now... people will snatch up their 'cheap' stock as soon as that gusher is capped, and their stock will go back up.
There's lots of chatter about it though Karrie. It's not the first time this has been on the drawing board either:
Worsening Deepwater situation prompts speculation over BP's future | Business | The Guardian
 

SirJosephPorter

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Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

Nope - nobody is having a laugh. Just a great big "I told you so".

Speaking of which, where are all the loud mouth Tea Baggers?

Up to just a month ago they were shouting shttt from here to Kingdom come but have clammed up all of a sudden. NO GOVERNMENT they screamed but are now begging for government handouts:

Thomas Frank: Laissez-Faire Meets the Oil Spill - WSJ.com


Lassez-Faire Meets the Oil Spill


Among the chatterati these days the favorite topic of conjecture is what the catastrophic Gulf oil spill means for President Obama. Pundits argue hotly over the correct historical comparison: Will the spill prove to be his Hurricane Katrina? His Three Mile Island? Or maybe his Iranian Hostage Crisis?
Meanwhile, a strange reticence has taken hold of Mr. Obama's ideological opponents. Where are the livid patriots who enthralled us for months with their fevered dreams of a socialist-minded, power-hungry federal government?
Only a short while ago, of course, the populist right was riding high, sweeping the primaries and insisting that the operations of the market must not be interfered with; that government intervention of even the slightest kind dangerously diminishes human freedom.
Just last week, for example, the Washington Post featured a 2,500-word essay by Arthur C. Brooks, head of the American Enterprise Institute, calling for a "New Culture War" for laissez-faire capitalism—a grand moral debate over the right relationship of business and government that Mr. Brooks felt his side was sure to win.
Well, the Gulf spill has given Mr. Brooks and his movement the perfect opportunity to stage that debate. On one side, we've got the liberty-minded oil companies, the gentle giants that, just two months ago, the right was so keen to liberate from federal interference and to unleash on the nation's coastline.

And on the side of government, we've got the Obama administration, which has backtracked on its new offshore-drilling policy and even announced plans to beef up drilling regulations. True, for most Americans that's not a lot of statism to deplore, but the tea party movement is accustomed to regard even the most insignificant regulatory initiative as a front in the eternal war between freedom and socialism.
Back in April, for example, Rep. Ron Paul (R., Texas) greeted the president's drilling policy with the suggestion that the Environmental Protection Agency be abolished and "the energy market" freed from bureaucrats so that it might answer to "the demands of the people and the decisions of private investors."
But what say the tea partiers today? Who will step forward now and demand that the "energy market" be rescued from regulatory bondage?
Other than Rand Paul, who will honor the snakeflag slogan and demand that the government stop treading on BP? Who will unmask the Gulf situation as just another fake crisis manufactured by power-hungry liberals? Who will lament the persecution of productive business executives by the looters of Washington, D.C., posturing so arrogantly in their hearing rooms but trembling in private as they contemplate the tsunami of liberty heading their way this November?
Most importantly, who will find an inventive way to blame government for the disaster? Not blame it for reacting too slowly after the spill—that is merely a statist reflex in disguise—but for somehow causing the spill with its meddlesome concerns for safety and the environment?



WHERE ARE THE TEA BAGGERS???????????

I have said all along that teabaggers represent the extreme right wing Republican base. They don’t hate government intervention (as they claim), they hate Obama, and with a passion.

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindahl (here is a teabagger if there ever was one) is blaming Obama for not doing enough to help the victims of the disaster. What happened to government staying out of peoples’ business?

When there is a need, there is a disaster, all the doctrinaire talk of getting government out of peoples’ lives goes straight out the window. Then teabaggers criticize Obama for not doing enough.

Teabaggers are silent because they are licking their wounds. They are figuring out how to trash Obama for not doing enough and still not appear hypocritical (good luck with that).

But you are right; teabaggers are strangely silent over the BP disaster. We have only heard from one prominent teabagger. Paul. And true to his philosophy, he praised BP for its efforts to plug the lead, and demanded that Obama leave BP alone to plug the leak as best it can.
 

Tonington

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oh of course... there's always chatter of doom and gloom and what if.
Not just doom and gloom though. As the article mentions, Shell was interested when the stock price bottomed out in 2007. I'm sure there would be other corporations looking to add value for their share holders.
 

petros

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If it's not BP then the second largest offshore company, Royal Dutch Shell if not them then the Norweigan state oil company will fill the gap.

Offshore oil and gas will go ahead as always.
 

ironsides

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Yes, they can argue about who is at fault later if they wants, right now just get the thing capped off. Don't worry Gopher, were still here., not that party affiliation means anything now.
Just give this a couple of years and the drilling will start again, we have short memories, and like our cars..
 

JLM

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Re: Drill, baby, Drill! Environmentalists Have the Last Laugh.

Just give this a couple of years and the drilling will start again, we have short memories, and like our cars..

You can't be like the cat that jumped on the hot stove. It's not the drilling that's a problem- it's not having the back up remedial plan in place to use the minute something goes wrong.
 

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One of the others will wind up buying BP, which will reduce competition, but make it interesting.
 

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okay, here's one. Why can't they just take one of those wrecking balls (you know the huge solid round balls they use to knock down walls) and attach a cable to it. Lower it down to the well, use the damn robots to maneuver the ball into place and cap it.

The ball can be custom made so that the diameter is just an inch greater than the actual well diameter so it doesn't fall in. It will weigh a ton or two so that pressure of the oil coming out doesn't push it out again.

The least it will do is reduce the flow of oil coming out.