B.C. carbon tax an effective model for national climate change approach: report

[taxslave]

My understanding of the BC experience is that the use of fossil fuels has not changed.

That said, the title if the OP should read:

B.C. carbon tax an effective model for adding revenues into the provincial coffers: report

Sort of. It did have the effect of causing various school boards to have to shell out for carbon taxes because they can't afford to upgrade heating systems.
Like all other carbon tax schemes this one too is a scam.

 

[darkbeaver]

Even low income tax is an abomination and defies the law of nature at a primal level. It is taking the nuts and berries from your hungry hand by base and ignoble coersion.

 

[taxslave]

Ms. Polak said B.C.’s carbon tax has been a popular topic at the conference, and she was pleased to be able to tell delegates that B.C. is on target to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions 33-per-cent below 2007 levels by 2020.

Cause and effect. WHat she didn't tell is that BC has no industry left to create GHGs. And over time new engines create far less emissions than when this scam was imposed on us. Gordo only introduced it to buy some green votes ensuring the dippers would not regain custody of the taxpayer's chequebook so in that regard it is probably the lesser of two evils.

 

[darkbeaver]

B.C. carbon tax an effective model for national climate change approach:

 

[waldo]

The shocking truth about B.C.’s carbon tax: It works - The Globe and Mail

B.C.’s tax, implemented in 2008, covers most types of fuel use and carbon emissions. It started out low ($10 per tonne of carbon dioxide), then rose gradually to the current $30 per tonne, which works out to about 7 cents per litre of gas. “Revenue-neutral” by law, the policy requires equivalent cuts to other taxes. In practice, the province has cut $760-million more in income and other taxes than needed to offset carbon tax revenue.

The result is that taxpayers are coming out ahead. B.C. now has the lowest personal income tax rate in Canada (with additional cuts benefiting low-income and rural residents) and one of the lowest corporate rates in North America. You shouldn’t need an economist and a mining entrepreneur to tell you that’s good for business and jobs.

At the same time, it’s been extraordinarily effective in tackling the root cause of carbon pollution: the burning of fossil fuels. Since the tax came in, fuel use in B.C. has dropped by 16 per cent; in the rest of Canada, it’s risen by 3 per cent (counting all fuels covered by the tax). To put that accomplishment in perspective, Canada’s Kyoto target was a 6-per-cent reduction in 20 years. And the evidence points to the carbon tax as the major driver of these B.C. gains.​

That looks like a pretty big change to me, and BC now has the lowest income tax in Canada, not sure why Walter would bitch about that...

here here! And yet..... in another thread a short while back, I was assured by member 'taxi', with absolute certainty, the BC Carbon tax was, as he said, "killing us".

of course, as is my way, I thought to ask taxi for more than just his drive-by. In the interests of being better informed I thought to ask member 'taxi' if he could further elaborate on his "killing us" statement. Perhaps I caught taxi on a bad day... cause, like uhhh... he was less than forthcoming and was rather abruptly insulting to me over a simple ask... a simple request.

your linked G&M article certainly doesn't speak to a taxi "killing us" summation... at all! If only member 'taxi' would... could... speak to "the BC Carbon Tax killing fields"!

 

[darkbeaver]

I've read a bit, but this is crazy, they propose an effective tax to aid in solar regulation.

What's next, a tax to slow time down.

How about moving the galaxy a bit to the left.

 

[taxslave]

here here! And yet..... in another thread a short while back, I was assured by member 'taxi', with absolute certainty, the BC Carbon tax was, as he said, "killing us".

of course, as is my way, I thought to ask taxi for more than just his drive-by. In the interests of being better informed I thought to ask member 'taxi' if he could further elaborate on his "killing us" statement. Perhaps I caught taxi on a bad day... cause, like uhhh... he was less than forthcoming and was rather abruptly insulting to me over a simple ask... a simple request.

your linked G&M article certainly doesn't speak to a taxi "killing us" summation... at all! If only member 'taxi' would... could... speak to "the BC Carbon Tax killing fields"!

If you don't believe what you are told do your own research and try to prove otherwise. Like you have been attempting with your globull warming theatrics.

 

[darkbeaver]

Co2 karioki

 

[petros]

Since the tax came in, fuel use in B.C. has dropped by 16 per cent; in the rest of Canada, it’s risen by 3 per cent (counting all fuels covered by the tax)

Now that dollar is lower the 16% will stop buying fuel in Blaine or Sumas WA.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

The shocking truth about B.C.’s carbon tax: It works - The Globe and Mail

B.C.’s tax, implemented in 2008, covers most types of fuel use and carbon emissions. It started out low ($10 per tonne of carbon dioxide), then rose gradually to the current $30 per tonne, which works out to about 7 cents per litre of gas. “Revenue-neutral” by law, the policy requires equivalent cuts to other taxes. In practice, the province has cut $760-million more in income and other taxes than needed to offset carbon tax revenue.

The result is that taxpayers are coming out ahead. B.C. now has the lowest personal income tax rate in Canada (with additional cuts benefiting low-income and rural residents) and one of the lowest corporate rates in North America. You shouldn’t need an economist and a mining entrepreneur to tell you that’s good for business and jobs.

At the same time, it’s been extraordinarily effective in tackling the root cause of carbon pollution: the burning of fossil fuels. Since the tax came in, fuel use in B.C. has dropped by 16 per cent; in the rest of Canada, it’s risen by 3 per cent (counting all fuels covered by the tax). To put that accomplishment in perspective, Canada’s Kyoto target was a 6-per-cent reduction in 20 years. And the evidence points to the carbon tax as the major driver of these B.C. gains.​

That looks like a pretty big change to me, and BC now has the lowest income tax in Canada, not sure why Walter would bitch about that...

I will take your word for that and if that is how they implemented it, good on them. But I think if somebody like our beloved premier of Ontario decided to do it, it would not be revenue neutral. It would be a tax grab to feed her never ending vortex of spending. I trust no government who adds a tax to actually reduce another to compensate.

 

[darkbeaver]

The spending wortex appeared on the horizon, the people cowered in fear

 

[Ludlow]

how come all the geniuses of the world can't come up with the technology to have cars run on methane. Just eat a bowl of beans and run the fuel line to your butt and be on your way.

 

[darkbeaver]

how come all the geniuses of the world can't come up with the technology to have cars run on methane. Just eat a bowl of beans and run the fuel line to your butt and be on your way.

I'v often wondered the same thing. How many beans do you have to process to drive the car to work? I ecven worked for a while on design of fart harvesting devices. Some were quite promiseing. Some were horrific stinking explosions.

 

[damngrumpy]

Carbon Taxes and Carbon Credits are the biggest rip offs since the coining of the
phrase climate change. It is the means to increase the wealth of the wealthy and
control the masses. It is the means to sell you new fridges, stoves, furnaces, and
water heaters not to mention new cars and and anything they can put a green label
sticker on.
People are like sheep and lemmings. They follow without stopping to connect the dots
and they will all plunge over the cliff to the music of the environmental pied piper.
Makes me wanna go out and run my V8 Chevy truck engine and put some residue in
the air.

 

[waldo]

If you don't believe what you are told do your own research and try to prove otherwise. Like you have been attempting with your globull warming theatrics.

oh really! You make the statement/claim and when you're asked to elaborate on it... to substantiate it... you get all pissy and insulting, while refusing to back up your assertion. So, of course, you now come back and have the nerve to suggest if one doesn't blindly accept one of your unsubstantiated drive-by statements, you have no onus on you to support it/them; rather, you believe the onus is on others to prove you wrong!

I accept you acknowledge your drive-by statements/claims are nothing more than your unsubstantiated opinion... good on ya for coming clean!

Carbon Taxes and Carbon Credits are the biggest rip offs since the coining of the
phrase climate change.

and yet... you're presented with an article written by "Ross Beaty is chairman of Pan American Silver Corp. and Alterra Power; Richard Lipsey is professor emeritus of economics at Simon Fraser University; Stewart Elgie is professor of law and economics at the University of Ottawa"... an article giving you an example of a working and effective carbon tax initiative in B.C.

 

[JLM]

My understanding of the BC experience is that the use of fossil fuels has not changed.

That said, the title if the OP should read:

B.C. carbon tax an effective model for adding revenues into the provincial coffers: report

Should the carbon tax be for the purpose of reducing the use of fossil fuels or should it be to compensate for damage done by burning fossil fuels?

 

[damngrumpy]

Of course they want to put a great face on it the professor and climate science people
are working for those who profit from it. I am surprised they aren't trying to sell bridges
like the Brooklyn Bridge. Scientists and politicians are becoming serious flimfalm men.

 

[JLM]

Of course they want to put a great face on it the professor and climate science people
are working for those who profit from it. I am surprised they aren't trying to sell bridges
like the Brooklyn Bridge. Scientists and politicians are becoming serious flimfalm men.

Bridges are getting a little expensive and difficult to move!

 

[EagleSmack]

Australia's last govt brought it in, didn't do anything except make business pass the expense onto the consumer and thus people were paying the carbon tax, not business..... The current govt abolished it.

As long as the masses are kept from this fact their will be enough sheep to keep the scam going.


People somehow think that cost of this will not be passed on to them. How stupid.

 

[Tonington]

I will take your word for that and if that is how they implemented it, good on them. But I think if somebody like our beloved premier of Ontario decided to do it, it would not be revenue neutral. It would be a tax grab to feed her never ending vortex of spending. I trust no government who adds a tax to actually reduce another to compensate.

That's not to say it hasn't been rough for some organizations. Like others have mentioned, school boards have had to pay more money, and they don't typically get large capital budgets to replace their heating systems. But the tax has done what it was intended to do, reduce the use of fuel in the province, all while reducing income taxes and without destroying the BC economy. People may disagree with the goal, but they can't deny the fact that it has been very successful at achieving the intended end points.