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Tonington

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Delusions?

Yes, anyone regardless of their intelligence can be deluded. This is such a simple and obvious statement that I find it hard to believe that anyone could have any questions.

Such as your self-declared "intelligence" coupled with your derision of anything and anybody you disagree with?

Self-declared, where did I ever declare that? In fact I'm of the opinion that the more one learns, the more humbled they should be by what they don't know. Knock it off troll.
 

Dexter Sinister

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How do you blame something you say doesn't exist for the misery of children under 5?
That's not what I said, I was arguing that the existence of such misery is evidence against the deity's existence.

I think THAT perhaps may be a little presumptuous...
I don't think so. Anybody likely to enter a thread titled as this one is has almost certainly seen some of my other posts on the subject of religious belief.
 

Gavin Morgan

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Yes, anyone regardless of their intelligence can be deluded. This is such a simple and obvious statement that I find it hard to believe that anyone could have any questions.



Self-declared, where did I ever declare that? In fact I'm of the opinion that the more one learns, the more humbled they should be by what they don't know. Knock it off troll.

When over 85% of the population believes that there is a GOD, the deniers, such as yourself, are the REAL trolls.
 

gerryh

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That's not what I said, I was arguing that the existence of such misery is evidence against the deity's existence.


No it doesn't, it supports the contention that God gave man the right to choose. It is mankind that chooses to allow these children to suffer and die. It is mankind that chooses to go to war with one another over trivial inconsequential things. None of what is happening on earth to and by mankind is God's "fault". It is all our own.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Such as the human brain developed helter-skelter, without a design, by natural selection?
Natural selection is not helter-skelter, you don't know what you're talking about here.
Such as the simple fact that it took mankind several thousands of years to develop a poor imitation of the EYE? You know, in digital cameras.
Most digital cameras are engineered a good deal better than the human eye. A camera designed like the human eye would have the sensor facing away from the lens, with all the wiring that connects it to the camera's electronics in front of it.
Such as the wonder of the Grand Canyon? The Canadian Rockies? Such as the love a parent has towards his/her offspring?
There are perfectly satisfactory naturalistic explanations for those things.

When over 85% of the population believes that there is a GOD, the deniers, such as yourself, are the REAL trolls.
Utterly irrelevant. The number of people who believe something to be true has nothing to do with whether it's actually true.
 

taxslave

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I just love it when people like wulfie68 try to put God on the same level as humans.
God does not "micromanage" anything. he puts us here, gives us the basic rules, and lets us "do our thing". If we don't follow the rules, then we pay later.
And the number one rule for any Christian must always be, "Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you".
They also have a tendency to forget exactly what they are asking God to do, when they pray the Lord's Prayer. They forget that they are asking God to forgive us, EXACTLY AS WE FORGIVE THOSE THAT HAVE SINNED AGAINST US.
Think about it, that's a pretty powerful statement. If we can't forgive others, then we will not be forgiven. It is really that simple.
Christianity is not at all complex, Jesus laid it out in very simple terms. Love your God above everything else, and love your neighbor as yourself.
You like being butt fu cked by preachers?
I love my neighbour but her husband isn't all that keen on it.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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I don't know for sure if there is a God or not. Or if this life is all we get. The only thing I know is that it is going to be some goddamn funny if Gerry is sitting in heaven and Tonnington is down in hell talking about global warming.
 

Tonington

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When over 85% of the population believes that there is a GOD, the deniers, such as yourself, are the REAL trolls.

Heh, at the rate you're going your new moniker will be joining the permabanned list too. GM will join YJ. :lol:
 

Gavin Morgan

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Natural selection is not helter-skelter, you don't know what you're talking about here. Most digital cameras are engineered a good deal better than the human eye. A camera designed like the human eye would have the sensor facing away from the lens, with all the wiring that connects it to the camera's electronics in front of it. There are perfectly satisfactory naturalistic explanations for those things.

Utterly irrelevant. The number of people who believe something to be true has nothing to do with whether it's actually true.

If natural selection is not helter-skelter, give us the reason and the explanation why not. If there is anyone who doesn't know what they are talking about is you.

The much ballyhooed digital camera eye was designed by someone with a human brain. But we all know, of course, that that brain was designed and developed by some force known as natural selection, which - if it was so great - would not have required millions of years to manifest itself.So, there is your perfectly satisfactory explanation.

We all know that in your world, anything and everything you disagree with is "utterly irrelevant".
 

Goober

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I don't know for sure if there is a God or not. Or if this life is all we get. The only thing I know is that it is going to be some goddamn funny if Gerry is sitting in heaven and Tonnington is down in hell talking about global warming.
 

eh1eh

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Delusions?


Such as the simple fact that it took mankind several thousands of years to develop a poor imitation of the EYE? You know, in digital cameras.

Soon we will improve our understanding of biological engineering and we will be able to create life from nothing. With that revelation you feel the need to start calling me calling me god. You may if you wish my child.

If natural selection is not helter-skelter, give us the reason and the explanation why not. If there is anyone who doesn't know what they are talking about is you.

The much ballyhooed digital camera eye was designed by someone with a human brain. But we all know, of course, that that brain was designed and developed by some force known as natural selection, which - if it was so great - would not have required millions of years to manifest itself.So, there is your perfectly satisfactory explanation.

We all know that in your world, anything and everything you disagree with is "utterly irrelevant".

Natural selection. It's right in the name. If it works well it lives another generation and so on. This happens naturally.
 

Dexter Sinister

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No it doesn't, it supports the contention that God gave man the right to choose. It is mankind that chooses to allow these children to suffer and die. It is mankind that chooses to go to war with one another over trivial inconsequential things. None of what is happening on earth to and by mankind is God's "fault". It is all our own.
I figured you as the one most likely to raise that argument. You must therefore believe that this god created humanity flawed, knowing how things would turn out, and he let it happen anyway, when he could have just made better people in the first place. That argument doesn't get him off the hook, as the designer and builder of all this he remains responsible for the consequences. If he's surprised by any of this, he doesn't have the characteristics usually ascribed to him, if he exists at all.

But I see no reason to think he does. I'd certainly agree that it's humanity's fault, and a grievous one it is, but you're really just begging the question. You assume the deity exists and has certain characteristics, motives, and goals, when that assumption is really the point of contention.
 

Tonington

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But we all know, of course, that that brain was designed and developed by some force known as natural selection, which - if it was so great - would not have required millions of years to manifest itself.

There's a perfect bit of ignorance you've put on display. What part of the definition of natural selection requires short durations of time? You don't know what you're talking about.

Maybe if you hold to a literal translation of Genesis, on the order of days to create Earth and the Cosmos, then I can understand your ignorance on the matter.