Like your thinking on this fine Sunday morning. Quite Orwellian and lacking in any sense of Christian charity. Very republican. I bet you thought the Patriot Act was a great piece of legislation. Orwell would be proud that his prediction has come true.
Arizona's Immigration Law
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Really, it's amazing that Hungary didn't have better border controls and prevent anyone from escaping that country.
TenPenny, if you knew history, you would know that Hungary, indeed had a very secure border, until the revolution in 1956 loosened it and allowed people who were just a cut above slaves to escape to find freedom.
I never thought that anyone can best Cliffy for low blows, but the honour now belongs to you.
I never thought that anyone can best Cliffy for low blows, but the honour now belongs to you.
BTW, Tonnington, socialism never provided/created PRODUCTIVE jobs, just free-loading government jobs. It was certainly not socialism that enriched America/Canada, but it will be the one to cripple us.
Show me just one example where people from capitalist country try to ecsape to a socialist/communist country.
Show me just one example where people from capitalist country try to ecsape to a socialist/communist country.
Yes, I've heard your rhetoric before. This is avoiding the contradiction you've set up. How can you advocate for the Mexico government to be responsible for giving people "meaningful jobs" as you put it, if this is how you feel about socialism?
JLM, I am doing no such thing. I am just condemning the slime and scum who break another country's laws and them cry foul when they are deported. I blame and conmdemn and call corrupt the Mexican government that fritters away their country's natural resources to pad their own pockets. They have nothing but contempt to their own citizens, while skimming off unearned and undeserved profit from money sent home by people, whom they pissed on, and always piss on.
The Mexicans who are LEGAL in the States - by birth or naturalization - and do not condemn those who are not are no better than the lawbreakers they refuse to condemn.
Tonnington, I never said "meaningful jobs" because - unless one is an elitist - every job, honestly performed is a meaningful job.
I said PRODUCTIVE JOB. Socialism never produced anything but misery. That is why people risk their lives on inner-tubes and leaky boats to escape the socialist paradise of Castro. That is why I as a seventeen year old risked getting shot escaping the socialist paradise of Hungary in 1956.
BTW, I am still waiting for you to give me just one example where oppressed people of a capitalist country are as desperate to escape to a socialist one.
JLM, Cliffy could not see a football game with a 20-20 score with any objectivity. It is just NOT in him. Or in you, for that matter.
Then not only are you a hypocrite, you're also an elitist hypocrite:
Emphasis mine.
Yet, you don't think Mexicans should be able to escape Mexico for the land of freedom and opportunity to the North?
Now that is funny coming from a guy who only sees out of his right eye and walks around in circles because he can only move his right foot. Jack, you are so radical, you give most Republicans a bad name. Arizona needs more saving from Republicans and Teabaggers than they need to be saved from wetbacks. You sound like some of those pro-wrestlers who rant about how they are going to make their opponent bleed in the upcoming (staged) fight.
Socialism Mexico :lol:
American industry moved business's and manufacturing plants to Mexico creating thousands of new jobs. It is not so much a problem with Mexicans crossing the border as it is people from Central America crossing thru Mexico (which they pay Mexicans lots of money for passage) sneaking into the U.S. illegally.
American industry moved business's and manufacturing plants to Mexico creating thousands of new jobs. It is not so much a problem with Mexicans crossing the border as it is people from Central America crossing thru Mexico (which they pay Mexicans lots of money for passage) sneaking into the U.S. illegally.
Maybe you guys should open some factories in Central America to give them meaningful work so they don't have to come to the States to find it.
First of all, every illegal immigrant should be deported and that goes for this country
as well. I am not opposed to immigration, I have neighbours who are friends of mine
from Asia, these people followed all the rules, they learned English and the have their
own customs as well. They couldn't wait to become Canadian Citizens.
There are cue jumpers who come here without proper documentation and expect to
just take up residence without regard for our laws and customs. Same thing is happening
in America. If there is 12 million illegals deport them, it would take the stress of education,
retirement and medical expenditures. If they want to come back apply don't discriminate
if the apply but make them go through the system. What happens to their investment?
The government gets it and its the price of ill gotten gain, they were illegals to start with.
In Arizona I don't think they have to have check points and go hunting people, but when they
are stopped for vehicle violations or other situations, I do think it is fair to ensure they are
citizens of the country and if they are deport them.
We also need to change the laws in Canada, if you enter illegally you are deported immediately
no paper no safe haven its that simple. And inform the world illegals will be turned over to the
government they ran from.
as well. I am not opposed to immigration, I have neighbours who are friends of mine
from Asia, these people followed all the rules, they learned English and the have their
own customs as well. They couldn't wait to become Canadian Citizens.
There are cue jumpers who come here without proper documentation and expect to
just take up residence without regard for our laws and customs. Same thing is happening
in America. If there is 12 million illegals deport them, it would take the stress of education,
retirement and medical expenditures. If they want to come back apply don't discriminate
if the apply but make them go through the system. What happens to their investment?
The government gets it and its the price of ill gotten gain, they were illegals to start with.
In Arizona I don't think they have to have check points and go hunting people, but when they
are stopped for vehicle violations or other situations, I do think it is fair to ensure they are
citizens of the country and if they are deport them.
We also need to change the laws in Canada, if you enter illegally you are deported immediately
no paper no safe haven its that simple. And inform the world illegals will be turned over to the
government they ran from.
Good post Grumpy. It is easy to stomp on Arizona's immigration policy but we all saw how quick Canada responded to a THIRD ship of Tamils heading to Canada. Canada did the right thing in getting that ship stopped with help from the Thais.
Surprised that this came up at a University in Arkansas.
"Political Correctness. Contest"
The winner wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of sh**t by the clean end."
"Political Correctness. Contest"
The winner wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of sh**t by the clean end."
While I maintain that we should and must deport those who are here illegally or who have no
intention of going by the rules of entry, I do not condone calling people scum or other nasty
names. There are many reasons people jump the cue. They are desperate to provide a better
life for their family, there are those who engaged in criminal acts of rebellion against their own
govenment and the people who they didn't agree with inside their country. There are those who
are international criminals who engage in human trafficking, spying, terrorism, and the illegal drug
trade. The one group I have some sympathy with, however you can't sort people out if they have
no papers and we can't check backgrounds.
There is one serious overriding factor that no one considers. We as citizens of a nation or the
government that we elect, cannot protect us from terrorism or organized criminals if we don't
even know who is living amongst us.
The fact that these people are illegal they deplete the resources of the people who are legitimate
citizens. Social Security, education, medicare, and a host of other programs are impacted when
illegal residents gain access to these programs. Those who are citizens have to take less or go
without while those who jump the cue, come ahead of those who are entitled to services that
over a lifetime they have paid into and supported.
Again, I am not opposed to immigration of documented people who come to join us in making
a contribution to our future as a country. We must know who is here, who is legal to reside here
and who should be removed, or are a threat to the rest of us. If we do not take action now it will
be too late, and we will have failed the interests of future generation we are legally bound to protect.
It is time our governments began to live up to their entrusted responsibilities.
intention of going by the rules of entry, I do not condone calling people scum or other nasty
names. There are many reasons people jump the cue. They are desperate to provide a better
life for their family, there are those who engaged in criminal acts of rebellion against their own
govenment and the people who they didn't agree with inside their country. There are those who
are international criminals who engage in human trafficking, spying, terrorism, and the illegal drug
trade. The one group I have some sympathy with, however you can't sort people out if they have
no papers and we can't check backgrounds.
There is one serious overriding factor that no one considers. We as citizens of a nation or the
government that we elect, cannot protect us from terrorism or organized criminals if we don't
even know who is living amongst us.
The fact that these people are illegal they deplete the resources of the people who are legitimate
citizens. Social Security, education, medicare, and a host of other programs are impacted when
illegal residents gain access to these programs. Those who are citizens have to take less or go
without while those who jump the cue, come ahead of those who are entitled to services that
over a lifetime they have paid into and supported.
Again, I am not opposed to immigration of documented people who come to join us in making
a contribution to our future as a country. We must know who is here, who is legal to reside here
and who should be removed, or are a threat to the rest of us. If we do not take action now it will
be too late, and we will have failed the interests of future generation we are legally bound to protect.
It is time our governments began to live up to their entrusted responsibilities.
I think this is a silly discussion. We have a bunch of people whose forefathers or fathers came to this continent, bullied, killed and stole land from the inhabitants and are now talking about getting tough on people who are coming here to do the same thing, playing by the same rules our forefathers played by. History does repeat itself, kinda like a good chili.