Arizona's Immigration Law

[EagleSmack]

If you have read it...you use selective reading...because it bends over backward not to use racial profiling:roll::roll:

Very true...but they need to lie to keep up their bid for future democrat voters.

If they say what is on the bill then the argument falls flat. So the libs are using the race card...AGAIN. What else can they do?

Illegal aliens aren't immigrants, are they? If so Ima gonna get me an apartment in Honolulu and go job hunting there. I wonder how much luck I'll have.

OHHHH! Ka CHing!

Nailed him!

What's Mexico displaying? I understand their immigration laws are very similar to Arizona's. Will I be able to claim Xenophobia when I get deported from Hawaii?

Mexico's immigration laws are far worse. Ever read them?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Illegal aliens aren't immigrants, are they? If so Ima gonna get me an apartment in Honolulu and go job hunting there. I wonder how much luck I'll have.

As I recall, the statistics pertained to all the immigrants, both legal and illegal.

What's Mexico displaying? I understand their immigration laws are very similar to Arizona's. Will I be able to claim Xenophobia when I get deported from Hawaii?

Mexico may have such a law for all I know. And if federal government in USA comes up with such a law, that would be one thing. However, Arizona does not have a right to bring in laws about immigration.

Now, if a Mexican province like Baja California or Yucatan tried to bring in its own immigration law, you may be sure that Mexican government will have plenty to say about it (and it won't be pretty).

Indeed, if federal government brings in such a law that would be understandable. But Arizona bringing in such a law simply shows its xenophobia and racism.

 

[DaSleeper]

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

Only 57.3kb download
Edit: When you read it pls note

The attorney general or county attorney shall not investigate complaints that are
based solely on race, color or national origin.

Page 7 and again on 14....around line 25 and 28 respectively

But if you choose to believe liberal propaganda and blogs.....don't read it:lol:

 

[ironsides]

This is part of the xenophobic hysteria being whipped up by the teabaggers, by the far right. Statistics tell us that immigrants are five times less likely to commit crime than a US citizen. Statistics also tell us htat crime of all kinds is decreasing in Arizona.

What Arizona is displaying is xenophobia, combined with racism.



What do you mean, bad answer? Have you forgotten your own history? Arizona refused to recognize MLK birthday as a holiday and faced boycotts as a result of it. They lost the Super Bowl and lost the 200 million $ plus revenue it would have generated. Eventually they capitulated with ill grace and only grudgingly made it a holiday.

Waht is 'bad answer' about this? Arizona has a well documented history of xenophobia and of racism.

Arizona is not exhibiting anything except wanting to protect their families and neighborhood from the rampant crime coming in from Mexico. (It is just you Liberals who keep bringing up racism all they, sort of a catch word for ya.) As for fearing foreigners, you just have to look at your own immigration policies, need a lot of growing up, up there before you start using the big words.
So what if Arizona wanted to ignore MLK day, not such a big deal, we have to many holidays anyway. Maybe you ought to pack up and go live in a border town for a few years, then tell us what it is like first hand. Friend of mine lives in a nice home in just a little West of El Paso, near Juarez Mexico. Many nights they go to sleep with the sound of people screaming and sounds of gunfire. The American border must be sealed as much as possible and those here illegally should be processed. *either put them on the road for citizenship or send them back to their native country)

 

[JLM]

Arizona is not exhibiting anything except wanting to protect their families and neighborhood from the rampant crime coming in from Mexico. (It is just you Liberals who keep bringing up racism all they, sort of a catch word for ya.) As for fearing foreigners, you just have to look at your own immigration policies, need a lot of growing up, up there before you start using the big words.
So what if Arizona wanted to ignore MLK day, not such a big deal, we have to many holidays anyway. Maybe you ought to pack up and go live in a border town for a few years, then tell us what it is like first hand. Friend of mine lives in a nice home in just a little West of El Paso, near Juarez Mexico. Many nights they go to sleep with the sound of people screaming and sounds of gunfire. The American border must be sealed as much as possible and those here illegally should be processed. *either put them on the road for citizenship or send them back to their native country)

Absolutely correct Ironsides (which is not hard to be when disputing that particular poster :lol::lol::lol

 

[ironsides]

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[SirJosephPorter]

Arizona is not exhibiting anything except wanting to protect their families and neighborhood from the rampant crime coming in from Mexico. (It is just you Liberals who keep bringing up racism all they, sort of a catch word for ya.)

And where is your evidence for that (that crime in Arizona is rampant)? Put up some statistics, so we all can see. From what I have read, crime of all types is on the decrease in Arizona.

As for fearing foreigners, you just have to look at your own immigration policies, need a lot of growing up, up there before you start using the big words.

We are not discussing Canada’s immigration policy here, but the law passed by Arizona. Put up a separate thread about Canada’s immigration policy if you wish to discuss that.

So what if Arizona wanted to ignore MLK day, not such a big deal, we have to many holidays anyway.

Sure it was a big deal to blacks (perhaps not to whites). That is the reason why Arizona steadfastly refused to declare it a holiday, and was dragged kicking and screaming into declaring it to be one, after a boycott.

Maybe you ought to pack up and go live in a border town for a few years, then tell us what it is like first hand. Friend of mine lives in a nice home in just a little West of El Paso, near Juarez Mexico. Many nights they go to sleep with the sound of people screaming and sounds of gunfire. The American border must be sealed as much as possible and those here illegally should be processed. *either put them on the road for citizenship or send them back to their native country)

Perhaps. I have always held that USA needs a sensible immigration policy to keep illegals out. But we are not discussing immigration policy here, but Arizona law.

 

[DaSleeper]

Edit to post #543.....to read page 7 and 11 of Arizona law

 

[Just the Facts]

Mexico's immigration laws are far worse. Ever read them?

Nope. Haven't read either law, just going by what I'm told. :smile:

 

[ironsides]

And where is your evidence for that (that crime in Arizona is rampant)? Put up some statistics, so we all can see. From what I have read, crime of all types is on the decrease in Arizona.



Perhaps. I have always held that USA needs a sensible immigration policy to keep illegals out. But we are not discussing immigration policy here, but Arizona law.

It all has been posted before, but here is some info. again. This is why border must be regulated strictly. What you and other do not seem to understand is the Arizona law is only enforcing federal law. A person cannot be stopped or checked based upon what or who they may look like. They must be stopped for a commission of a crime or traffic violation. The police do a routine background check and if you don't check out you will be held. (phony license, information etc.)

YouTube - Phoenix Now Kidnapping Capital of US Thanks to Mexican Drug Gangs

Torture a hallmark of Phoenix's drug kidnappings - CNN.com

Hot Air Mexican drug cartels make Phoenix #2 in world for kidnappings




Arizona Crime Search - Crime In Arizona - Phoenix Crime Search - azcentral.com

Nope. Haven't read either law, just going by what I'm told. :smile:

I wish our congressmen and women would admit that.

 

[dreamwatcher]

It does sound gastapo to me. However, is it not true, that our world has changed in the last ten years? I am really conflicted over this. I like to cling to the belief that as Canadians we are free to walk about without being harassed by officials, however, I can see this changing in our country as well. When do we hand over our citizens rights for the sake of security. Canadians, hopefully, will never have to carry citizenship papers with us at all times. But I wonder...........

 

[JLM]

It all has been posted before, but here is some info. again.

"And where is your evidence for that (that crime in Arizona is rampant)? Put up some statistics, so we all can see. From what I have read, crime of all types is on the decrease in Arizona."

What baffles me, Ironsides is WHY someone has to prove something over and over to a very rude and egotistical bigot. If it was me I'd just tell him if he doesn't like what he reads in my posts to go read something else. It is presumptuous to say the least to take it upon oneself to decide what is correct when one is so sadly lacking in knowledge of the most rudimentary aspects of life....................:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

It all has been posted before, but here is some info. again. This is why border must be regulated strictly. What you and other do not seem to understand is the Arizona law is only enforcing federal law. A person cannot be stopped or checked based upon what or who they may look like. They must be stopped for a commission of a crime or traffic violation. The police do a routine background check and if you don't check out you will be held. (phony license, information etc.)

YouTube - Phoenix Now Kidnapping Capital of US Thanks to Mexican Drug Gangs

Torture a hallmark of Phoenix's drug kidnappings - CNN.com

Hot Air Mexican drug cartels make Phoenix #2 in world for kidnappings




Arizona Crime Search - Crime In Arizona - Phoenix Crime Search - azcentral.com


I wish our congressmen and women would admit that.

Then let us look at what has happened to crime in Arizona in the past ten years. It has been steadily going down since 2001, from 322, 549 to 307.979. And this in spite of the fact that its population must have gone up substantially.

As to kidnappings, that may be a problem and something should be done about it. However, how is harassing illegal Hispanic workers by the state police going to do anything to prevent kidnapping? Kidnapping is an organized crime activity, a gang activity. How is harassing individual Hispanic workers is going to do anything to prevent kidnapping?

As I said before, Arizona Republicans manufactured crises where there wasn’t one, the aim being to whip up mass hysteria and help them pass a xenophobic and racist piece of legislation. Crime rate in Arizona has been steadily decreasing for the past ten years. And this in spite of a massive influx of immigrants.

Arizona Crime Rates 1960 - 2008

It does sound gastapo to me. However, is it not true, that our world has changed in the last ten years? I am really conflicted over this. I like to cling to the belief that as Canadians we are free to walk about without being harassed by officials, however, I can see this changing in our country as well. When do we hand over our citizens rights for the sake of security. Canadians, hopefully, will never have to carry citizenship papers with us at all times. But I wonder...........

It all depends upon circumstances, dream watcher. I can well imagine situation where Canadians will have to carry citizenship papers with them. Let us say Canada is invaded by a foreign power and they have dropped several thousand of their soldiers into Canada by air. Then it may be necessary to check the papers of everybody to find and arrest the enemy soldiers.

However, that will happen only when there is a real crises, I would hope our government does not manufacture a crises, as Arizona Republicans did. As statistics tell us, crime rate in Arizona has been going down steadily for the past ten years, in spite of a massive influx of legal and illegal immigrants. That being the case, there was no good reason for the law, other than racism and xenophobia.

Oops, my bad. It is not last ten years, it is last 43 years. Crime rate in 2008 was 4738 per 100,000. The last time it was that much was in 1967, 4837.9 per 100,000.

So Arizona has the lowest crime rate in 43 years. And still Republicans were able to whip up mass hysteria about crime. Amazing. A masterful job of spinning and Goebbels type propaganda.

But really, lowest crime rate in 43 years and Republicans pass a racist and xenophobic legislation based upon fear of increased crime? This can happen only in USA.

Indeed, from the statistics it almost looks like, you want less crime? Let in immigrants, both legal and illegal.

 

[DaSleeper]

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

Only 57.3kb download
Edit: When you read it pls note
Quote:
The attorney general or county attorney shall not investigate complaints that are
based solely on race, color or national origin.
(Harassing illegal Hispanics indeed ....deport them:roll:
Page 7 and again on 11....around line 25 and 28 respectively

But if you choose to believe liberal propaganda and blogs.....don't read it:lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

Only 57.3kb download
Edit: When you read it pls note
Quote:
The attorney general or county attorney shall not investigate complaints that are
based solely on race, color or national origin.
(Harassing illegal Hispanics indeed ....deport them:roll:
Page 7 and again on 11....around line 25 and 28 respectively

But if you choose to believe liberal propaganda and blogs.....don't read it:lol:

What happened, you couldn’t respond to crime statistics, could you? Lowest crime rate in 43 years and Republicans manage to convince Arizona public that crime rate is at an all time high (and that the only solution to the all time high crime rate is to pass a law designated against the minority Hispanics). Such a masterful job of misrepresentation and propaganda. Hitler himself would be proud.

This is better than selling refrigerator to the Inuits or selling a high definition TV to the blind. A masterful con job. It would be funny if it did not have such tragic results for the Hispanics. But one has to give credit where it is due. Hitler himself would be proud, he could take lessons from Republicans as to how to carry out propaganda.

I had heard on CNN that crime rate in Arizona was declining, but I had no idea it was at a 43 year low.

 

[ironsides]

It does sound gastapo to me. However, is it not true, that our world has changed in the last ten years? I am really conflicted over this. I like to cling to the belief that as Canadians we are free to walk about without being harassed by officials, however, I can see this changing in our country as well. When do we hand over our citizens rights for the sake of security. Canadians, hopefully, will never have to carry citizenship papers with us at all times. But I wonder...........

As a Canadian or a U.S. citizen a drivers license or some other identification will do. In the U.S. a legal immigrant or visitor must carry papers or a passport. It is the sign of the times. I do miss just showing identification when crossing the border.

 

[DaSleeper]

You will keep repeating your side trips until you really believe, but no one else will... but keep moving the goal posts ...you're good at it...
But you will never admit loosing your earlier argument that it was racial profiling and Hispanic (illegal at that)harassment.
I know your type when you can't win one way you try another way...
So stick to one story and one topic the "Arizona immigration Law" ..any side trip you take to score a point is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the topic in question except in your own mind...which is why I keep re-posting the law , until you finally read it and admit you're wrong...which in itself is completely against your nature:roll:

 

[Colpy]

Then let us look at what has happened to crime in Arizona in the past ten years. It has been steadily going down since 2001, from 322, 549 to 307.979. And this in spite of the fact that its population must have gone up substantially.

As to kidnappings, that may be a problem and something should be done about it. However, how is harassing illegal Hispanic workers by the state police going to do anything to prevent kidnapping? Kidnapping is an organized crime activity, a gang activity. How is harassing individual Hispanic workers is going to do anything to prevent kidnapping?

As I said before, Arizona Republicans manufactured crises where there wasn’t one, the aim being to whip up mass hysteria and help them pass a xenophobic and racist piece of legislation. Crime rate in Arizona has been steadily decreasing for the past ten years. And this in spite of a massive influx of immigrants.

Arizona Crime Rates 1960 - 2008



It all depends upon circumstances, dream watcher. I can well imagine situation where Canadians will have to carry citizenship papers with them. Let us say Canada is invaded by a foreign power and they have dropped several thousand of their soldiers into Canada by air. Then it may be necessary to check the papers of everybody to find and arrest the enemy soldiers.

However, that will happen only when there is a real crises, I would hope our government does not manufacture a crises, as Arizona Republicans did. As statistics tell us, crime rate in Arizona has been going down steadily for the past ten years, in spite of a massive influx of legal and illegal immigrants. That being the case, there was no good reason for the law, other than racism and xenophobia.

Oops, my bad. It is not last ten years, it is last 43 years. Crime rate in 2008 was 4738 per 100,000. The last time it was that much was in 1967, 4837.9 per 100,000.

So Arizona has the lowest crime rate in 43 years. And still Republicans were able to whip up mass hysteria about crime. Amazing. A masterful job of spinning and Goebbels type propaganda.

But really, lowest crime rate in 43 years and Republicans pass a racist and xenophobic legislation based upon fear of increased crime? This can happen only in USA.

Indeed, from the statistics it almost looks like, you want less crime? Let in immigrants, both legal and illegal.

Wonderful, isn't it, that crime and murder rates in the USA are falling........while gun control laws are taken off the books, and Right to Carry concealed weapons legislation passes in state after state.....tells you something, doesn't it?

Bringing Arizona's laws in line with federal law is only sensible, btw.

 

[ironsides]

"And where is your evidence for that (that crime in Arizona is rampant)? Put up some statistics, so we all can see. From what I have read, crime of all types is on the decrease in Arizona."

What baffles me, Ironsides is WHY someone has to prove something over and over to a very rude and egotistical bigot. If it was me I'd just tell him if he doesn't like what he reads in my posts to go read something else. It is presumptuous to say the least to take it upon oneself to decide what is correct when one is so sadly lacking in knowledge of the most rudimentary aspects of life....................:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

He didn't even look at the dates 2009 - 2010 of the stats I provided. Oh well.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

He didn't even look at the dates 2009 - 2010 of the stats I provided. Oh well.

Where did you quote that statistic, ironsides? I didn’t see it. Are you saying that there was a huge increase in crime, to the extent that crime rate in Arizona is at an all time high? Well, here is 2009 statistic for you. Crime rate in 2009 decreased by 6% compared to 2008.

Official Website - Surprise, Arizona - Part 1 Crime Stats

And where would you get the statistic for 2010? The year isn’t over yet. Or did you find a far right, Republican website which claims that crime rate in 2010 has shot up to an all time high? You seem to have swallowed the Republican, extreme right propaganda hook, line and sinker.

Anyway, here is excerpt from a CNN article for you.

"High levels of illegal immigration and crimes committed by unauthorized immigrants are among the key rationales cited by some supporters of a tough new immigration law in Arizona.

………………………


Yet, a look at statistics from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency and the FBI indicate that both the number of illegal crossers and violent crime in general have actually decreased in the past several years."

Crime stats test rationale behind Arizona immigration law - CNN.com

CNN is actually understating the case here; crime is at a 43 year low.

So, where is this fabulous statistics by you, which shows that crime rate in Arizona shot up to all time high in 2009 and 2010? Humour me, post the link once again (both you know and I know that the link doesn't exist).