Why? You'll make more money fresh out of highschool framing houses than you will teaching.
Are B.C. school teachers being realistic
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I am not talking about wages here. It wasn't even listed. Its the other crap which is ridiculous. Nobody gets that. If they did, their employer would be bankrupt.
Yeah, we did - Roman numerals! As for whiny brats I have a couple of nephews who were terrible as kids, but they've both seemed to have snapped out of it and are now well adjusted adults. But to my sisters' credit they didn't listen to much whining so I guess the kids finally decided just to give it up.
Would that be unjust? Guys framing houses work more than 38 weeks a year, they work in conditions that range from minus 30C to plus 35C, they encounter far more dangers than people whose lives are spent in a classroom. Actually there's guys out there framing houses for $10- $12 an hour too.
What is ridiculous about it?
Where are there guys framing for $12 an hour? If there are they aren't educated ones.
Two weeks holidays when a friend dies meaning the teacher still is being paid while a substitute is hired at approximately the same pay.
Do you think it reasonable to get 1/2 year paid leave each time you need to take care of someone (anyone)? This isn't even immediate family (which could be covered by an insurance plan with premiums by the employer and be a reasonable demand).
I also think that:
- Cumulative sick days.
- 1 year retirement bonous.
- 2 weeks berevement leave. My company is generous and gives 3 days (6 days if they are far away).
Thanks for the running commentary on the system... Too bad that it is accurate in theory only.
Fact is, a teacher can not advance above the union-approved pay scale rates that are measured only by the amount of time in as opposed to actually generating a positive result as compared to the rest of the teachers in the union population.
That said, this entire discussion has everything to do with unions, their greed, ineffectiveness and antiquated ways.
Stop being such a baby... I know that you have family that are in a union and you need to support that failing dinosaur called unions because of that.
In terms of my experience in unions... I've never been a member of one... I produce actual, measurable results that justify my value. I don't need to rely on a useless body to protect my revenues.
Before anyone in any line of work gets more I'd like to see us use up what we have. How many $thousands of usable junk do most people have deteriorating in their basements/attics/garages. How much paper is wasted on a daily basis. You got to use your imagination. How many people go out and buy a new table, when there is a perfectly good door sitting out in the shed that is no long used? HOw much money is wasted on "fancy" while "functional" isn't considered? There is probably a bigger "gold mine" in one good sized city dump than there is in all the Zellers stores across Canada combined. We were out camping this summer where they were selling firewood for $6 a handful. I took the truck down the road and in half an hour pulled enough dead wood from within 10' of the side of the road to half fill my pickup- probably much to the chagrin of the firewood merchants. "Waste not want not".
One of the biggest problems I have with Unions is their divisive effect on people. I don't call individual union people names and by the same token I don't think they should be labelling people they disagree with, "scabs". That more than anything else detracts from their credibility.
One of the biggest problems I have with Unions is their divisive effect on people. I don't call individual union people names and by the same token I don't think they should be labelling people they disagree with, "scabs". That more than anything else detracts from their credibility.
$12/hr for Framing? Hardly. Not out here in Saskatchewan anyway. Maybe $12hr cash on the
weekends with no deductions, straight into the pocket.....be even that's low.
SaskJobs.ca - Detail for Job Order #5160350
Job Order #: 5160350
Employer Name: Croyance Construction Co.
Wage/Salary Info: $12.00 to $25.00/hr depend on experience
Posted Date: 09/07/2011
Location: MOOSE JAW
# of Positions: 12
Employment Terms: Full/Part Time
Length of Employment: Temporary
How to Apply?: Apply in person at the work site 350 Diefenbaker Drive
Description
Wanted immediately! Framers
Preference given to those with knowledge of framing,
Qualilfications,
Must have, hand tools, hard hat, own transportation, steel toed boots.
Report to the work site trailer at 350 Diefenbaker Drive, Moose Jaw,
Use the access road north of " The Brick". off Thatcher Drive, ask for Deb Ridley, site administrator.
Job Order #: 5160350
Employer Name: Croyance Construction Co.
Wage/Salary Info: $12.00 to $25.00/hr depend on experience
Posted Date: 09/07/2011
Location: MOOSE JAW
# of Positions: 12
Employment Terms: Full/Part Time
Length of Employment: Temporary
How to Apply?: Apply in person at the work site 350 Diefenbaker Drive
Description
Wanted immediately! Framers
Preference given to those with knowledge of framing,
Qualilfications,
Must have, hand tools, hard hat, own transportation, steel toed boots.
Report to the work site trailer at 350 Diefenbaker Drive, Moose Jaw,
Use the access road north of " The Brick". off Thatcher Drive, ask for Deb Ridley, site administrator.
Sadly there is not much left to sell-off after Campbell was through. Education and healthcare are suffering under this Liberal government, while they are intent on giving away the farm to their corporate owners while raising taxes on the working people and poor in this province. My girlfriend was scheduled for gallbladder surgery a few months ago, and so far it has been cancelled twice, the last time it was cancelled late afternoon, the day before she was supposed to report to have the surgery. The surgeon's office called the other day to say it is now tentatively scheduled for Sept. 29th, we aren't holding our breaths considering the receptionsit told her that one woman who was already cancelled 6 times, was actually on the table at Burnaby General and they came in and told her to go home the surgery had been cancelled once again. Apparently she went balistic and they had to call security. Who can blame patients for being upset, especially every time a surgery is cancelled many have to make prior arrangements to be off work or postpone other committments because some bureaucratic operating-room manager is more concerned about budget constraint than they are about patient safety.
Listen, all you anti-teacher, anti-union types, fisrt of all without unions you would all be working for starvation wages, in fact corporations and governments are presently kowtowing to corporate demands to lower the expectations of ALL workers across the world to the lowest common denominator, and if you can't see that, you're going to be very shocked when it happens. As for teacher, walk a few days in their shoes, where discipline is gone from the education system, teachers are being verbally and physically assaulted on a regular basis, by out-of-control students who have no respect for any authority figure. Today we have parent spoiling their kids rotten with every new gadget and trend that comes out and if they act out in school, they expect the teachers to just put up with it. In case you have never taught, all it takes is one, just one disruptive student to poison the learning environment for the whole class, and large class sizes also has the affect. You cite Chinese students being used to large class sized, and that may be in China, but at the same time Chinese and other Asian students are taught to respect teachers and other authority figures.
They are selling lots and lots of raw logs here on the Island but that's a problem. Nanaimo had the highest rate of un-employed people across BC at 14.5 % right now. Part of that reason is shipping raw logs. They are all headed for China where they are making their own lumber. Great for the logger but it ends there. About 150 people protested in downtown Nanaimo last weekend according to our local news. It affects saw mills and pulp mills (again - according to the news report and the signs the protesters were carrying).
The main problem is there are lots of people overseas who will worker cheaper than people in B.C. Like everything else you generally go where you can get the "biggest bang for the buck". :smile:
Teachers union is too strong. Teachers are not there to teach anymore, the vast majority are there for the money. I've worked for two unions and they are useless. They are not required for safety on the job. That's what WCB is supposed to take care of (not that they do better than the union does but they cost less). Teachers here now want such ridiculous things as a paid day off to attend the funeral of a friend (most places will give you a couple of hours to go to such anyway and some places dock the pay). Why should they get a whole day off with pay? Someone said teachers have a tough time now. Some do and some deserve it. I've been going to the school daily for several years now. I've watched ignored students, children in distress being picked on by their own teacher (I like to call it bullying by teacher). Teachers earn around $80,000.00 per year with 2 months holidays and a good benefit pkg. Tell me what it is you think they need? This province (and all provinces) are in financial distress at this moment - akin to what we went through about 3 -4 years ago. Time for the teachers to get on with their jobs and just be glad they have one.
There is a definite lack of discipline out there. Parents fault. I live near two schools. Teens are walking past my house at 2:30 A.M. dropping the F bomb with every second word out of their mouth and talking at the top of their lungs. Why are they out at that hour? Where are their parents? Why aren't kids taught respect anymore. Lots of kids tell their parents what to do now and oddly enough, the parents listen. Kids who start acting out at my house get to sit and not move until a parent arrives to pick them up.
taxslave said"What basics would the already overpaid teachers be bargaining for? What crown assets have been sold?
The vast majority of raw log sales are from private property. WHich is no different than a farmer selling wheat instead of loaves of bread."
I think you may be a bit delusional? And if you consider yourself a tax slave it may be that you are like many others that continue to vote against your own interest, let me guess liberal?
The vast majority of raw log sales are from private property. WHich is no different than a farmer selling wheat instead of loaves of bread."
I think you may be a bit delusional? And if you consider yourself a tax slave it may be that you are like many others that continue to vote against your own interest, let me guess liberal?
so you just against the union teachers? captain morgan? I was wondering how much a teacher would make if there was never a union? can you tell me that?
I would love to be a teacher, and would be great at it. The sad fact is I just can't afford to be. I wish things could be different, it is my passion.
Parents need to teach their kids about respect, and get more involved in the education of their children.