Are B.C. school teachers being realistic

[damngrumpy]

Educational structures that provide more than the basic 3 R's as it were are better in the
long run,. Part of our problem today is that people can read and writhe and follow along
but many do not have the basic skills to know What the Hell is Happening.
Both sides in this thing are not realistic. You cannot in today's climate demand to go back
and dice up contracts anymore than you can demand something beyond the ability to pay.
Somewhere between those two positions is the settlement in every one's interest so get on
with it

 

[petros]

The point is that I was commenting at your cavalier response about 'democracy'... On that note, and seeing that you're all for democracy, shouldn't the families that pay the education taxes get full value applied to the schools that their kids attend as opposed to just 80%?





So what?.. Fact is, teachers that produce results are snapped-up by the Charter/Private systems and are paid a premium, they don't need a union to lobby that they get weeks off at a time to help sick friends... That demand has got to be the most ridiculous caveat ever, but considering that it is a union demand, well, stupidity is just par for the course.

And that is why they pay tutions ontop of taxation. I did it and it never bothered me any.

 

[taxslave]

If you want to be part of the action go attend schoolboard meetings. They are public. You can speak your mind all you want. Hell you can even run for the board if you wanted.


$23 an hour is a joke. If you know people with their grade 12 who want to work tell them to come to Sask. We'll gladly take your educated unemployed and put them to work. No problem. We need 10,000 today minimum but that would mean BC would lose 10,000 people in transfer payments and all your public services would be hit even harder.

It's time BC grew up and staredt to actually produced things other than trees, crackheads and whiny debutants.

Problem is B.C. has been infested with rich retirees from elsewhere that joined forces with the ecoterrorists and protest every job creating project that comes along. Some of them have even protested windmills as they are "unsightly" and might lower property values. There was a bunch a few miles from here that were protesting growing oysters because they didn't want the noise and unsightly floats in front of their homes.

Yeah they pay property taxes which fund their charter school. Your point?


$60K a year before taxes. $23 an hour. Would you get out of bed in the morning for that? That's starting wage for a trade. FFS

How do you get 60g out of $23/hr. On a 40 hr week I make it come to $47840. assuming no OT It would have to be over $28/hr to make 60g and teachers do not work anywhere near 40 hr weeks for 52 weeks.

 

[captain morgan]

And that is why they pay tutions ontop of taxation. I did it and it never bothered me any.

Clearly it doesn't bother any of the families that make the choice to send their kids to a Charter/Private..... But that is all academic, it still doesn't address the notion that those families - as tax payers - not receiving 100% of the per student funding for which they have paid.

 

[taxslave]

About 5 years ago I helped in the construction of a private school in Nanaimo. The teachers there said they did not make BCTF wages and benefits but had much more freedom and input which made it worthwhile. Of course they were dedicated and not just looking for a paycheque.

 

[captain morgan]

About 5 years ago I helped in the construction of a private school in Nanaimo. The teachers there said they did not make BCTF wages and benefits but had much more freedom and input which made it worthwhile. Of course they were dedicated and not just looking for a paycheque.

Interesting observation.

In my opinion, the biggest problem with the unionized teachers groups is that every teacher gets pigeon-holed into the same profile regardless of individual ability or performance. In the end, the union does nothing in recognizing the achievements of those professionals that do excel in their endeavors in terms of rewarding those folks.

I can not speak towards the example that you outlined (Nanaino), but possibly this is one of the perk-style trade-offs that the local teachers are willing to recognize as a benefit.

 

[In Between Man]

Here’s what the BCTF is currently asking for:

• 26 weeks (half year) paid leave to care for someone (being a family member is not a requirement);
• a year's pay as a “bonus” for retiring veteran teachers;
• two weeks paid leave upon the death of any friend;
• five paid days per year for professional activities;
• two sick days a month that can be saved up; and
• a substantial pay increase (not yet specified) that would make BC teacher “the best paid teachers in the country.”

(source)

Half a year pay to take care of a someone who doesn't even have to be a relative! Wow!

A year's pay bonus for retiring!

Paid days off and built-up sick days!

And a pay increase to make them the highest paid in the country, when the current top dollar for them is already $75,000 a year!

You're a teacher for crying out loud, not a MP!

 

[petros]

Clearly it doesn't bother any of the families that make the choice to send their kids to a Charter/Private..... But that is all academic, it still doesn't address the notion that those families - as tax payers - not receiving 100% of the per student funding for which they have paid.

Why did I have to pay tuitions? Admin and operating costs are one **** of a lot higher than a large regional school board.

 

[JLM]

Here’s what the BCTF is currently asking for:

• 26 weeks (half year) paid leave to care for someone (being a family member is not a requirement);
• a year's pay as a “bonus” for retiring veteran teachers;
• two weeks paid leave upon the death of any friend;
• five paid days per year for professional activities;
• two sick days a month that can be saved up; and
• a substantial pay increase (not yet specified) that would make BC teacher “the best paid teachers in the country.”

(source)

Half a year pay to take care of a someone who doesn't even have to be a relative! Wow!

A year's pay bonus for retiring!

Paid days off and built-up sick days!

And a pay increase on top of it when the current top dollar is already $75,000 a year!

You're a teacher for crying out loud, not a MP!

Nothing wrong with dreaming, the problem is when they start to think it's something else! :smile:

 

[TenPenny]

Here’s what the BCTF is currently asking for:

• 26 weeks (half year) paid leave to care for someone (being a family member is not a requirement);
• a year's pay as a “bonus” for retiring veteran teachers;
• two weeks paid leave upon the death of any friend;
• five paid days per year for professional activities;
• two sick days a month that can be saved up; and
• a substantial pay increase (not yet specified) that would make BC teacher “the best paid teachers in the country.”

Of that list, I would agree to 1 day per year of professional activities, one day of sick leave per month (that cannot be saved up), and disregard the rest.

 

[captain morgan]

Why did I have to pay tuitions? Admin and operating costs are one **** of a lot higher than a large regional school board.

I am not arguing that, nor are operating costs the issue here. I am asking why you only received 80% per student funding when you and your family paid 100%?

Nothing wrong with dreaming, the problem is when they start to think it's something else! :smile:

JLM,

Replace the word 'dreaming' with 'entitlement'

 

[In Between Man]

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Of that list, I would agree to 1 day per year of professional activities, one day of sick leave per month (that cannot be saved up), and disregard the rest.

Sounds good. Did you want to move to BC and run the Ministry of Education for us? You can stay at my house till we get you a place of your own.

 

[JLM]

Sounds good. Did you want to move to BC and run the Ministry of Education for us? You can stay at my house till we get you a place of your own.

What is really worrying is these people are teaching our kids and grandkids! :roll:

 

[petros]

In my opinion, the biggest problem with the unionized teachers groups is that every teacher gets pigeon-holed into the same profile regardless of individual ability or performance. In the end, the union does nothing in recognizing the achievements of those professionals that do excel in their endeavors in terms of rewarding those folks.

Those that excel get promoted, transferd to schools in poorer regions where their skills are needed, work with the Province to update and ciriculum to keep up with knowledge advancements, and work their way into management all under the watch of elected school board officials which have **** all to do with unions.

Are you like Pukon Jerk who couldn't cut the union mustard and was cut loose after probation? Is that your grudge?

 

[In Between Man]

What is really worrying is these people are teaching our kids and grandkids! :roll:

I know, I have serious doubts about how good of an education kids in public school get these days. Thinking back to my own grade school days, those teachers use to get us to read the most God-awful books. I think they were trying to brainwash us personally.

 

[petros]

You can't force a kid to learn. If you aren't teaching your kid a few things before they are 5 whose fault is that?

It's the parent who create the habits of their children. It's not the schools job to do what you didn't do as a parent for the first 5 years.

 

[TenPenny]

I'm amazed at what kids are learning at a young age. Kids in middle school are learning math that I took in high school. Kids here are expected to know how to read by the time they start kindergarten. Some of the stuff my daughter took last year in gr 8 science was stuff that 20 years ago was taught in 1st year med school.

 

[JLM]

You can't force a kid to learn. If you aren't teaching your kid a few things before they are 5 whose fault is that?

It's the parent who create the habits of their children. It's not the schools job to do what you didn't do as a parent for the first 5 years.

I think children are influenced to some degree by all they come in contact with. Normally the parents would have the most influence, but there's no doubt they are influenced also by the teacher, the soccer coach, the Scout leader, the Sunday School teacher etc.

I'm amazed at what kids are learning at a young age. Kids in middle school are learning math that I took in high school. Kids here are expected to know how to read by the time they start kindergarten. Some of the stuff my daughter took last year in gr 8 science was stuff that 20 years ago was taught in 1st year med school.

There's a simple explanation for that, most of the stuff the kids are learning today wasn't knowledge when I went to school. :lol:

"If you want results....bring back "the strap"! "

It will never happen, and probably a good thing. It worked well 50 years ago, but I'd wonder about a teacher strapping my kid who thinks they should be entitled to two weeks holidays when a friend dies! There's not much a kid could do that would be that stupid! Besides we HAVE to be "politically correct". :lol:

 

[petros]

I think children are influenced to some degree by all they come in contact with. Normally the parents would have the most influence, but there's no doubt they are influenced also by the teacher, the soccer coach, the Scout leader, the Sunday School teacher etc.

There's a simple explanation for that, most of the stuff the kids are learning today wasn't knowledge when I went to school. :lol:

If you have a whiny brat at 3 you're going to have a whiny brat at 5, 10, 15, 20 , 25 etc etc etc.


You didn't have numbers or an alphabet when you were a kid?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Here’s what the BCTF is currently asking for:

• 26 weeks (half year) paid leave to care for someone (being a family member is not a requirement);
• a year's pay as a “bonus” for retiring veteran teachers;
• two weeks paid leave upon the death of any friend;
• five paid days per year for professional activities;
• two sick days a month that can be saved up; and
• a substantial pay increase (not yet specified) that would make BC teacher “the best paid teachers in the country.”

(source)

Half a year pay to take care of a someone who doesn't even have to be a relative! Wow!

A year's pay bonus for retiring!

Paid days off and built-up sick days!

And a pay increase to make them the highest paid in the country, when the current top dollar for them is already $75,000 a year!

You're a teacher for crying out loud, not a MP!

Thats insane. I am all for paying teachers well but this is ridiculous. I should go to BC and become a teacher. I would just have to 'care' for 2 people a year and do no work!