Apache finds massive Canadian shale-gas field

CDNBear

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Rarely used,never in my experience,if they want a well bad enough they will just ask the nieghbor.
You do realize you just shot your own argument in the foot right?

sorry but in the industry you dont see anyone forced into anything.
LMAO!!! Ya, "If you want us to pay to fix the problem we caused, sign this confidentiality agreement. Or you can take us to court."

Give your head a shake.
Costs lost of lawyer money and court time to force someone into something they dont want and one thing the energy companies dont want is any more bad publicity.
LMAO!!! One, you don't own the minerals under your land. Two, the government can force a ROW.

Then hand it over to whatever company petitioned for it.

Theres enough mis informed peeps walking around fearmongering as it is.
You don't monger fear.
 

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Morning gents,

I mentioned that I would get back to you after the GPS and had an opportunity to talk to the frack guys and some engineers that I know. It pretty much came down to this.

In terms of fracking fluids, the only common elements are sand and water (sometimes oil if there are clays present). Depending on the specific characteristics of the formation, the frack may use a variety of surfactants (akin to detergent), small amounts of acid (to clean-out the inflow areas) or a raft of other chemicals to facilitate the flow of the oil/gas. That said, by in large, these chemicals are refined derivatives of oil like naphtha, toluene, etc.

Relative to direction that a frack might travel, that is dependent on the presence of the natural fault lines that are already in place in the formation. Other than the initial point of introduction from the casing, the materials will travel a route that follows the natural 'fractures' in the formation. These natural lines can go any direction, however, because the oil is a byproduct of organic deposits and those deposits are laid in a horizontal-style fashion, and the frack will (at least initially) travel in a spider-web configuration (as was suggested).

The distance of the frack is entirely a function of the amount of materials that is injected and the pressures that are used. Combine this with the number of perforation sites employed in the casing and that distance is affected directly.

Lastly, in order for a pool of oil to exist, geologically speaking, there must be a cap rock and base rock to contain that pool. The cap and base act top contain the oil and prevent it from easily migrating into higher zones. The cap and base are highly unlikely to be affected by the actual frack.
 

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Confidentiality agreement? Dont know if you ever worked in the industry lalely but sure doesnt sound like it.No ones forced into haveing a well,they can be but like I said and you ignored,it doesnt happen.
Farms and ranches are the largest user of water in Alberta and also a huge source of water pollution.

Heres some "facts" for you on water usage on farms,seeing how they are the main user and not regulated(or regs not enforced)I thought I would show the other side of the coin and leave the oil biased articles out of it.
http://www.bless.ab.ca/Documents/EndToEnd/MaMRPChap4v3.pdf
 

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Confidentiality agreement?
Yes, now go back and reread that term in my post, in context. Lest you make your post look even more silly.

Dont know if you ever worked in the industry lalely but sure doesnt sound like it.
You maybe able to hold the seat down in your truck, for a more than fair wage, but you certainly have little knowledge of the legalities and legislation in place, governing your chosen field.

No ones forced into haveing a well,they can be but like I said and you ignored,it doesnt happen.
Please don't talk at me about ignoring parts of posts, you've made that a significant part of your MO.

Farms and ranches are the largest user of water in Alberta and also a huge source of water pollution.

Heres some "facts" for you on water usage on farms,seeing how they are the main user and not regulated(or regs not enforced)I thought I would show the other side of the coin and leave the oil biased articles out of it.
http://www.bless.ab.ca/Documents/EndToEnd/MaMRPChap4v3.pdf
Interesting attempt at topic diversion.

The topic is fracking and its negative impact on the environment.

If you would like to discuss farming pollution, as I live a lake heavily abused by the farming in the Holland Marsh, I'd love to discuss it with you.

But your redherring stinks and doesn't cut it.

So back to the negative impacts of fracking.

Do you have any evidence that dispoves the evidence levied against the practice?
 

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No red herring,theres more focus on fracking then on other issues that are contaminating the water,im just showing your bias unless your just against the industry and not clean water as a whole.

You sit in the truck because thats the office,Everything including a printer is in my truck.Plus about 100 pounds of rules,policies and regulations.

Paperwork is the name of the game,you cover your ass in the energy industry now as someones allways watching and waiting.

No wonder the price of gas is so high.
 

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No red herring,theres more focus on fracking then on other issues that are contaminating the water,im just showing your bias unless your just against the industry and not clean water as a whole.
Yes, your injection of farming into the topic is a red herring. It meets the very definition of the fallacy to a "T".

And your accusation is absurd. Not surprising, but absurd.

Perhaps you should go through the global warming and oil sands threads again, to see how absurd it truly is. Hell you don't even have to that. You can just actually read the post you're replying to...

If you would like to discuss farming pollution, as I live a lake heavily abused by the farming in the Holland Marsh, I'd love to discuss it with you.

Again, your accusation is absurd. I'd suggest sticking to the facts at hand, but you haven't shown an ability to even recognize them, let alone observe them objectively.
 

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I see, so you are actually no different than Redmonton Rebel and Cabbagefarts.

Thanks for removing all doubt.
Like I said before,I havent seen it on any of the leases I have been on,the farms on the other hand are a different story,I would get fined if I did even a fraction of what they do to the land.
 

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Like I said before,I havent seen it on any of the leases I have been on,the farms on the other hand are a different story,I would get fined if I did even a fraction of what they do to the land.
You can babble on all you want, you have failed to provide any evidence that counters the evidence that has been presented against fracking.

In fact, the bulk of your claims, from you know all the farmers that have wells on their land, and none of them have a problem, to there's been no issues with fracking in Alberta, and the publication of the complete ingredient list of fracking fluid, have been thoroughly disproved.

You have no credibility left. You are exactly the same as Redmonton Rebel and Cabbagefarts.
 

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You can babble on all you want, you have failed to provide any evidence that counters the evidence that has been presented against fracking.

In fact, the bulk of your claims, from you know all the farmers that have wells on their land, and none of them have a problem, to there's been no issues with fracking in Alberta, and the publication of the complete ingredient list of fracking fluid, have been thoroughly disproved.

You have no credibility left. You are exactly the same as Redmonton Rebel and Cabbagefarts.
When I see peeps in the hospitals,cows dieing and fatalities then I'll take it a bit more seriously as a threat to my health.
That's evidence.

When your talking about fracking then you are talking about water period.

Alberta has a water action plan as it's a rite that supercedes any water licences that every Albertan has potable drinking water.That means lots of water pipelines to communities and to each individual farmer.Alberta will keep doing this so no ones dependant on a well.
 

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When I see peeps in the hospitals,cows dieing and fatalities then I'll take it a bit more seriously as a threat to my health.
That's evidence.
And here it is...

Prof: Fracking Fluid Harmful to Animal Health | The Cornell Daily Sun

A Link Between Heavy Drilling and Illness? Doctors Search for Solid Answers | StateImpact Pennsylvania

Cuomo and Corbett Ignore Health Concerns from Gas Fracking « « DC BureauDC Bureau

Enjoy. I look forward to seeing you ignoring it.
 

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No prob.As I work right on top of the wells and pipelines connecting them I'll let you know if any health issues arise.They have been fracking since the 40's. I havent seen any 2 headed cows walking around yet.
 

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No prob.As I work right on top of the wells and pipelines connecting them I'll let you know if any health issues arise.They have been fracking since the 40's. I havent seen any 2 headed cows walking around yet.

I wish I could predict the lotto numbers with such accuracy.
 

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You could join flossy with the end of the earth predictions.
Can you point to where I made any such predictions?

Hell, can you point to where Fuzzy made any?

I doubt it. You have proven that evidence and/or facts are beyond your level of comprehension.

Your credibility is nonexistent.

You should probably quit replying to me with your nonsense, lest you earn a more applicable place with Cabbagefarts and Redmonton Rebel. My respect for you has worn out. All that's left is contempt for your willful ignorance and stupidity.
 

CDNBear

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I really dont care what anyone thinks of me,especially on an internet forum.
Yes you do. Hence the constant presentation of your credentials, knowledge and experience.

Which now lies in tatters, thanks to your continued stupidity.

Theres allways going to be someone with an agenda.
No doubt, yours is obvious.

It's a shame your agenda has so blinded you to reality.