Anti_Islam protests victory for extremists?

[Tonington]

32% of people believe there is not a constitional right to build anything you want anywhere you want is equated to 32% of people believe Muslims should be second class citizens. Who's making a leap again?

Edit: Either way, go ahead and edit the response to say 32% of American believe Muslims should be second class citizens if you want. It doesn't change the point of the article.

50.2% of all polled said no to this question:
Whether or not you think the Islamic cultural centre and mosque should be built near the World Trade Center site, do you think that Muslims have a constitutional right to build a mosque there?

If there is no issues with by-laws or zoning or ownership, then they do have a right to build the church there. If government now steps in, whether at state or the local level because of the political pressure, and halts the process, that is limiting the free exercise of a right, and if people don't think this applies to the Muslims in this case, it does mean that they are second class citizens.

 

[earth_as_one]

Sounds to me like some of you believe the Muslim sand niggers are being uppity.

up·pi·ty (

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)adj. Informal Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's station; presumptuous: "was getting a little uppity and needed to be slapped down"

 

[Goober]

Your article makes the same leap you do, JTF. In it's one sided view, it says that none are saying Muslims should be second class citizens, despite what the polls indicate. Those same polls they drop like so many names when it's convenient to say that most people believe as they do. By the way that's called Argumentum ad populum, a logical fallacy where popular stances are used as proof of truth.

Seek counsel of him who makes you weep, and not of him who makes you laugh.
Source: (Arabic)

Sounds to me like some of you believe the Muslim sand niggers are being uppity.

up·pi·ty (

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)adj. Informal Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's station; presumptuous: "was getting a little uppity and needed to be slapped down"

Please note who uses that derogatory and offensive term - Those that support the Mosque from what I have seen - But I could be mistaken.

So why would you use it?

 

[Just the Facts]

50.2% of all polled said no to this question:
Whether or not you think the Islamic cultural centre and mosque should be built near the World Trade Center site, do you think that Muslims have a constitutional right to build a mosque there?

According to your link, it's 32.7%.

If there is no issues with by-laws or zoning or ownership, then they do have a right to build the church there. If government now steps in, whether at state or the local level because of the political pressure, and halts the process, that is limiting the free exercise of a right, and if people don't think this applies to the Muslims in this case, it does mean that they are second class citizens.

That hasn't happened though has it. On the contrary, government seems to be falling over itself to get this mosque built. There's even been talk of public funding. I really don't expect that it won't be built.

 

[Tonington]

According to your link, it's 32.7%.

You're right. I should apologize, only a third of Americans have lost their mind.

That hasn't happened though has it. On the contrary, government seems to be falling over itself to get this mosque built.

:lol: seems? How so? Obama said they have the right, but questions the wisdom of the choice. Local government endorses new construction, shocker.

There's even been talk of public funding. I really don't expect that it won't be built.

Do you have a link handy for that one? It should be built. It's not much different than a YMCA.

 

[Goober]

You're right. I should apologize, only a third of Americans have lost their mind.

:lol: seems? How so? Obama said they have the right, but questions the wisdom of the choice. Local government endorses new construction, shocker.

Do you have a link handy for that one? It should be built. It's not much different than a YMCA.

Not much different than a YMCA - Really - You normally make excellent posts but comparing it to a YMCA - Really.

 

[Just the Facts]

Do you have a link handy for that one?

Ground Zero Muslim center may get public financing | Reuters

It should be built. It's not much different than a YMCA.

Time will tell. Meet ya back here in seven years. :lol:

 

[Tonington]

Not much different than a YMCA - Really - You normally make excellent posts but comparing it to a YMCA - Really.

My YMCA at home had: a facility for cooking classes, a gymnasium, a pool, a weight lifting facility, racquet ball courts, day care, skills training center, and volunteer programs. I was in the Leader Corps there, volunteering after school with younger kids.

The planned facility on Park Place has pretty much all of the above. It is a community center.

Ground Zero Muslim center may get public financing | Reuters

Thanks. So it's an existing program. If they qualify, why not? Maybe St. Nicholas parishioners should apply.

 

[Goober]

My YMCA at home had: a facility for cooking classes, a gymnasium, a pool, a weight lifting facility, racquet ball courts, day care, skills training center, and volunteer programs. I was in the Leader Corps there, volunteering after school with younger kids.

The planned facility on Park Place has pretty much all of the above. It is a community center.



Thanks. So it's an existing program. If they qualify, why not? Maybe St. Nicholas parishioners should apply.

Did it have a Christian Church in it that was led by a Minister that supporter terror groups that kill abortion Doctors - Trying to keep it on some sort of the same track that you have laid.

 

[earth_as_one]

Seek counsel of him who makes you weep, and not of him who makes you laugh.
Source: (Arabic)



Please note who uses that derogatory and offensive term - Those that support the Mosque from what I have seen - But I could be mistaken.

So why would you use it?

I'm sure some people here know what I mean, even if they won't admit it.

These Muslims just don't know their place. Sure they have rights, but it doesn't mean they have to use them. Its just like how niggers have the right to sit anywhere on the bus, but only an uppity nigger would sit in the front of the bus. In the same logic, Muslims have the right to build a Mosque anywhere they want, but only an uppity Muslim would dare try to build a mosque near ground zero. Don't these Jihadists know that their kind aren't welcome in down town New York. Its an insult to every white person who was killed on 9/11. We all know that American Muslims secretly support the 9/11 hijackers and killing innocent people. That's what being Muslim means; Sharia law, stoning women and hijacking planes, suicide vests.... Its what their religion tells them and these people just blindly follow their religion. We certainly can't have suicide bomber 9/11 sympathizers anywhere near ground zero. Why should regular God fearing Americans allow terrorists, who are continuously trying to blow themselves up, build a Mosque near ground zero?

After 9/11 these terrorist Jihadists lost their right to open victory buildings near this holy ground. Every true red white and blue God Blessed American should put up a sign: "No Muslims allowed in the USA". C'mon admit it, real Americans don't want these suicide bombing, woman stoning, Jihadist Muslims in the USA. Their very presence in the US defiles and taints the USA. Send them all back to Islamastan where they belong.

 

[Goober]

I'm sure some people here know what I mean, even if they won't admit it.

These Muslims just don't know their place. Sure they have rights, but it doesn't mean they have to use them. Its just like how niggers have the right to sit anywhere on the bus, but only an uppity nigger would sit in the front of the bus. In the same logic, Muslims have the right to build a Mosque anywhere they want, but only an uppity Muslim would dare try to build a mosque near ground zero. Don't these people know that Muslims aren't welcome in down town New York. We all know that American Muslims secretly support killing innocent people. Its part of their religion. After 9/11 these Americans lost their right to open Muslim buildings near this holy area. Real Americans may as well put up a sign: "No Muslims allowed".

No that does not cut it - That is like the Liberals who stated obama would never get elcted because he was Black

Name the ones - Don' t be shy - You make a claim - try to be a man about it and show the facts - not innuendo and falsehoods.- Put up or retract such an outlandish claim -

So what will we see from you - if you do - Ensure you list the post number so we can all read it in context as you have a tendency to set context aside along with facts.

 

[earth_as_one]

Intolerance isn't black and white. Its shades of grey. When I read the posts here in this string, I can see various shades of religious intolerance. My previous intolerant posts are just a shade darker than many views expressed here. I suspect a few people would actually agree with them. Most people haven't gone as far as my posts, but they are moving in that direction even if they don't realize it. that was my point.

Intolerant bigots never see themselves as intolerant bigots. But as soon as you try to restrict another person's rights and freedoms based solely on race, religion, sexual orientation... you've crossed a line and become some sort of intolerant bigot. Its just a matter of degree...

These American citizens have every right to construct a religious building on private property. Their building is no different than a Christian Church, Jewish Synagogue, Hindu Temple or any other religious building. Attempts to differentiate these people and their religion from mainstream American values and link them to the 9/11 hijackers is not based on evidence or fact. Claims that these people are associated with, sympathize with or share some sort of guilt with the 9/11 hijackers because they are Muslim is a form of religiously intolerant bigotry.

 

[Just the Facts]

:violent2:

 

[earth_as_one]

No that does not cut it - That is like the Liberals who stated obama would never get elcted because he was Black

Name the ones - Don' t be shy - You make a claim - try to be a man about it and show the facts - not innuendo and falsehoods.- Put up or retract such an outlandish claim -

So what will we see from you - if you do - Ensure you list the post number so we can all read it in context as you have a tendency to set context aside along with facts.

I never said that, but I am certain that millions of intolerant American bigots didn't vote for Obama because he is black. IMO, Obama won in 2008 because he was running against McCain and Palin. Fortunately more Americans feared electing a weak old man who chose a nutcase to be a heart beat away from the presidency, than a black man. Most Americans held their noses and voted for the black guy, because he wasn't feeble or crazy.

 

[TenPenny]

Obama said they have the right, but questions the wisdom of the choice. Local government endorses new construction, shocker.

So that makes Obama one of the emotional bigots, as well, according to things posted on here.

 

[Tonington]

Did it have a Christian Church in it that was led by a Minister that supporter terror groups that kill abortion Doctors

Most YMCA's don't have chapels anymore, but they still take part in things like Prayer Breakfasts, and faith in Christ still plays a part, there is still a Week of Prayer.

Besides, that's an irrelevant question. The Imam who will lead services in the Mosque does not support terrorism.

 

[CDNBear]

When speaking English.

 

[Goober]

I never said that, but I am certain that millions of intolerant American bigots didn't vote for Obama because he is black. IMO, Obama won in 2008 because he was running against McCain and Palin. Fortunately more Americans feared electing a weak old man who chose a nutcase to be a heart beat away from the presidency, than a black man. Most Americans held their noses and voted for the black guy, because he wasn't feeble or crazy.

ou are so far of the mark it is amazing

Obama won Iowa in the primaries - solid white, rural, small town USA - that should show you that your opinion is just out to lunch.

Most YMCA's don't have chapels anymore, but they still take part in things like Prayer Breakfasts, and faith in Christ still plays a part, there is still a Week of Prayer.

Besides, that's an irrelevant question. The Imam who will lead services in the Mosque does not support terrorism.

If as you say he does not support terror how does you equate his refusal to condemn Hamas and Hezbollah. And by not condemning these 2 terror groups what other would he not condemn?

Similar to boxing the compass is it not.

 

[CDNBear]

ou are so far of the mark it is amazing

Not really. Not anymore anyways.

Obama won Iowa in the primaries - solid white, rural, small town USA - that should show you that your opinion is just out to lunch.

But it won't help prop up the propaganda campaign and misinformation that has been strewn throughout this thread by the usual suspects.

You see, to make the ideology fit, you have to first ignore the commentary that states otherwise, then you have to make up stuff to push your point across. Then you compare anyone that finds the most smallest amount of distaste in putting an Islamic shrine next to an Islamic atrocity, to Nazi's.

How do you communicate with that?

 

[Goober]

Most YMCA's don't have chapels anymore, but they still take part in things like Prayer Breakfasts, and faith in Christ still plays a part, there is still a Week of Prayer.

Besides, that's an irrelevant question. The Imam who will lead services in the Mosque does not support terrorism.

The Imam is traveling in the Mid East denouncing Terror - You cannot be against Terror and support Hamas and Hezbollah - Both are terrorist organizations bent upon the destruction of Israel - So stating that he is against terror, against murder, for peaceful co-existence is not credible, but is blatantly false.

Not really. Not anymore anyways.

But it won't help prop up the propaganda campaign and misinformation that has been strewn throughout this thread by the usual suspects.

You see, to make the ideology fit, you have to first ignore the commentary that states otherwise, then you have to make up stuff to push your point across. Then you compare anyone that finds the most smallest amount of distaste in putting an Islamic shrine next to an Islamic atrocity, to Nazi's.

How do you communicate with that?

It is impossible to communicate with that type - But not all are of that stripe. A few, Yes.