Antartic Ice Growing

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North Pole has been ice free since 2013

I have me doubts



Climate data for Alert AirportMonthJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecYearRecord high °C (°F)0.0
(32)1.1
(34)−2.2
(28)−0.2
(31.6)7.8
(46)18.2
(64.8)20.0
(68)19.5
(67.1)11.2
(52.2)4.4
(39.9)0.6
(33.1)3.2
(37.8)20.0
(68)Average high °C (°F)−28.6
(−19.5)−29.4
(−20.9)−28.4
(−19.1)−20.4
(−4.7)−8.4
(16.9)2.0
(35.6)6.1
(43)3.3
(37.9)−5.3
(22.5)−15.3
(4.5)−22.3
(−8.1)−25.6
(−14.1)−14.4
(6.1)Daily mean °C (°F)−32.2
(−26)−33.2
(−27.8)−32.4
(−26.3)−24.3
(−11.7)−11.5
(11.3)−0.4
(31.3)3.4
(38.1)0.8
(33.4)−8.4
(16.9)−18.9
(−2)−26.0
(−14.8)−29.4
(−20.9)−17.7
(0.1)Average low °C (°F)−35.8
(−32.4)−37.0
(−34.6)−36.3
(−33.3)−28.1
(−18.6)−14.5
(5.9)−2.7
(27.1)0.7
(33.3)−1.8
(28.8)−11.5
(11.3)−22.4
(−8.3)−29.6
(−21.3)−33.1
(−27.6)−21.0
(−5.8)Record low °C (°F)−48.9
(−56)−50.0
(−58)−49.4
(−56.9)−45.6
(−50.1)−29.0
(−20.2)−13.9
(7)−6.3
(20.7)−15.0
(5)−28.2
(−18.8)−39.4
(−38.9)−43.5
(−46.3)−46.1
(−51)−50.0
(−58)Average precipitation mm (inches)7.2
(0.283)7.0
(0.276)7.5
(0.295)10.6
(0.417)11.6
(0.457)12.0
(0.472)31.8
(1.252)17.9
(0.705)22.3
(0.878)13.4
(0.528)10.4
(0.409)6.8
(0.268)158.3
(6.232)Average snowfall cm (inches)9.0
(3.54)8.1
(3.19)8.7
(3.43)12.6
(4.96)18.0
(7.09)13.5
(5.31)20.0
(7.87)16.9
(6.65)33.1
(13.03)20.2
(7.95)15.2
(5.98)9.3
(3.66)184.6
(72.68)Source: Environment Canada Canadian Climate Normals 1981–2010[9]
 

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Erm, not that I'm an alarmist or bought into the whole AGW thing but, past warm-ups were immediately preceded by a quick cool down.


IIRC it goes something like this; As the icecaps melt, the cold water cools down the ocean in it's area. Currents then spread the cooling around. Same with glaciers and their melt waters. As the oceans cool, the temperatures cool but it is only temporary as the water starts to warm back up over time. Once it reaches the temperature it was before it started cooling, the heating up occurs fairly rapidly.
The first part of the process is probably what's causing the Antarctic to gain ice. That in turn could possibly increase the rate at which the oceans cool as that means more ice to melt during the southern continent's "warm season". We already know that the Antarctic is a major mechanism in keeping the oceans cool.
 

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I figure in the long run it's not going to matter much ````````````````any global warming that happens will be offset as the Sun cools as it approaches its demise. :)
 

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I figure in the long run it's not going to matter much ````````````````any global warming that happens will be offset as the Sun cools as it approaches its demise. :)
Humans will have been loooooong extinct by then lol


And no, as the sun approaches it's demise it's going to get hot, really really hot. As it expands it will engulf the planet, completely sterilizing it and leaving behind a burnt chunk of rock before it goes nova or turns into a brown dwarf. And if the sun goes nova, that burnt chunk of rock will likely end up as a roving planet. Permanently lifeless and unviable. Fated to roam the freezing emptiness of space until the last days of the universe.


Kind'a makes the bullsh*t during our blink of an eye existence seem pretty unimportant.
 

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Humans will have been loooooong extinct by then lol


And no, as the sun approaches it's demise it's going to get hot, really really hot. As it expands it will engulf the planet, completely sterilizing it and leaving behind a burnt chunk of rock before it goes nova or turns into a brown dwarf. And if the sun goes nova, that burnt chunk of rock will likely end up as a roving planet. Permanently lifeless and unviable. Fated to roam the freezing emptiness of space until the last days of the universe.


Kind'a makes the bullsh*t during our blink of an eye existence seem pretty unimportant.


Isn't that "last minute" heating supposed to happen after a few millennia of cooling? Our future isn't looking good! :) :) :)
 

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No such animal around here.....Birch is what most people around hear use, burns longer,throws more heat or BTUs if you want to get technical:wink: per cord....
Ahh. Birch is good. We have silver birch here. Burns when wet and it even smells nice. We also burn larch, fir, spruce, and usually use red cedar and white pine for kindling or when a fire is nice but do not need a LOT of heat.
Willow stinks, too, as does the balsam poplar. hehe
In the evenings the breeze would be coming down the hill and there was this neighbour below us that had a very noisy basset hound. It would bay all day long. Se we would throw a couple rounds of stinky wood into the stove. And then one day a cat grabbed the hound. I could hear it yelping halfway up the hill and then the cougar went for the throat hold and there was finally silence from the dog. Hubby cheered when I told him.

You've never been to Greek Week at UVA.
No, I have not.

Humans will have been loooooong extinct by then lol


And no, as the sun approaches it's demise it's going to get hot, really really hot. As it expands it will engulf the planet, completely sterilizing it and leaving behind a burnt chunk of rock before it goes nova or turns into a brown dwarf. And if the sun goes nova, that burnt chunk of rock will likely end up as a roving planet. Permanently lifeless and unviable. Fated to roam the freezing emptiness of space until the last days of the universe.


Kind'a makes the bullsh*t during our blink of an eye existence seem pretty unimportant.
Red giant, red dwarf, white dwarf, nova, then possibly neutron star. The red giant phase will be about 4.5 billion years from now.
 

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No, I have not.
Them frat rats can get through 25 million cubic kilometres of ice before sunrise.

Red giant, red dwarf, white dwarf, nova, then possibly neutron star. The red giant phase will be about 4.5 billion years from now.
My astronomy's a mite rusty, but I thought it was white dwarf (now), nova, red giant, red dwarf, and then neutron star.
 

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Them frat rats can get through 25 million cubic kilometres of ice before sunrise.


My astronomy's a mite rusty, but I thought it was white dwarf (now), nova, red giant, red dwarf, and then neutron star.
I could spray you with Rustoff if you like.

 

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Red giant, red dwarf, white dwarf, nova, then possibly neutron star. The red giant phase will be about 4.5 billion years from now.
It won't be a red dwarf, it's too big. The red giant phase ends with the sudden loss of internal radiation pressure as nuclear reactions run out of fuel, and gravitational collapse, which produces much heat in the core and it blows up in a nova. That'll produce the debris ring of the planetary nebula, as your graphic illustrates, which gradually dissipates out into interstellar space. It'll never be a neutron star either, it's too small. It'll stay a white dwarf until all its residual heat dissipates and it winks out.
 

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Ahh. Birch is good. We have silver birch here. Burns when wet and it even smells nice. We also burn larch, fir, spruce, and usually use red cedar and white pine for kindling or when a fire is nice but do not need a LOT of heat.
Willow stinks, too, as does the balsam poplar. hehe
In the evenings the breeze would be coming down the hill and there was this neighbour below us that had a very noisy basset hound. It would bay all day long. Se we would throw a couple rounds of stinky wood into the stove. And then one day a cat grabbed the hound. I could hear it yelping halfway up the hill and then the cougar went for the throat hold and there was finally silence from the dog. Hubby cheered when I told him.

No, I have not.

Red giant, red dwarf, white dwarf, nova, then possibly neutron star. The red giant phase will be about 4.5 billion years from now.

That's if stars are internally fueled and they ain't. Corona 2 million K, suns surface 6oooK, no heat convection from solar centers.

It won't be a red dwarf, it's too big. The red giant phase ends with the sudden loss of internal radiation pressure as nuclear reactions run out of fuel, and gravitational collapse, which produces much heat in the core and it blows up in a nova. That'll produce the debris ring of the planetary nebula, as your graphic illustrates, which gradually dissipates out into interstellar space. It'll never be a neutron star either, it's too small. It'll stay a white dwarf until all its residual heat dissipates and it winks out.

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