Anouncing a new web site: The Science of 9/11

[MHz]

We all know the pilots had their throats slashed.

We do do we? and the proof of that is where????

So as it stands to this day, Adm. Kimmel and Gen. Short bear the bulk of the responisibility for being unprepared.

So what is this all about then?



SENATOR THURMOND: I just want to say that once I was a Judge, highest Trial Court in South Carolina, a Circuit Judge, and my goal was to render justice. And that ought to be the goal of everyone, I think, in any position is to see that justice is done. Seek the truth and render justice whether people like it or not. That's the logical, honest thing to do.
Now I'll make a statement and that will close it. Despite the various views on what we have discussed, I believe all concerned will agree on one point. If the issue surrounding Admiral Kimmel and General Short was not important, so many prominent citizens, writers, historians, and senior military officials would not have made efforts to comment about the differences surrounding this matter. There is reason to closely examine any issue where such strong convictions by so many prominent and responsible individuals possess. This controversy has importance and deserves resolution. It is my experience that issues having such controversy cannot be ignored. They only worsen over time. Therefore, I believe the matter concerning Admiral Kimmel and General Short should be fairly resolved.
Let me express my appreciation for the attendance of those from the Department of Defense, the Kimmel family, the distinguished military officers, and the capable writers and historians. We appreciate all of you being here. We thank you for your contribution and may honesty and fairness prevail with this matter, pure, downright honesty. What is honest? What is justice? That's all we've got to do and nobody can condemn anyone if they make a judgment that's based on honesty and justice and that's all we ask can be done here. I thank all of you for coming and thank you very much for your contribution.


(Meeting adjourned.)
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I, Patricia A. LaMonica, the assigned transcriber, do hereby certify that on June 26, 1995, I caused to be prepared a transcript of a hearing on the Posthumous Restoration of the Rank of Admiral for Rear Admiral Husband E. Kimmel with the Office of the Secretary of Defense and Members of the Kimmel Family, and that the attached transcript is an accurate representation of that hearing, Tape Number 042795SW.KIM, Index Number 04275SW.PRL. I understand that I am subject to punishment for any willful material misrepresentation of fact contained herein.
Date: July 5, 1995
(Signed)
Patricia A. LaMonica, A.O.C. #326
L.B.S., Inc.

http://users.erols.com/nbeach/kimmel.html

Even all those hearings do nothing to clue you in to the fact that Governments must be kept under close watch, unfortunately that is very believable that anything they say is swallowed hook, line and sinker.

In the meantime Grandfather Bush is funneling money to the Nazis. Your country rewards criminals and crucifies loyalists.

 

[AnnaG]

lol Who is they and how do you determine who the idiot is, other than just going by your opinion? Is this the vid you hold so dear?

Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus

No. I guess you forgot that I don't like videos as anything other than entertainment. As evidence of anything? Definitely not. And I guess it didn't occur to you that I was playing along with TenPenny's sarcasm when I made the comment that this remark of yours is about. Obviously, videos didn't even exist in FDR's time.

Perhaps these links should be followed.
Justice for 9/11 Complaint and Petition -- [www.justicefor911.org]

Why? What does that say about who did what that resulted in the attacks?

I particularily like the link to this story, getting medical help and a visit from the CIA but no arrest for previous crimes.

(in part)
An article in the French daily Le Figaro confirms that Osama bin Laden underwent surgery in an American Hospital in Dubai in July.
During his stay in the hospital, he met with a CIA official. While on the World's "most wanted list", no attempt was made to arrest him during his two week stay in the hospital, shedding doubt on the Administration's resolve to track down Osama bin Laden.
Barely a few days ago Defense Secretary Rumsfeld stated that it would be difficult to find him and extradite him. Its like "searching for a needle in a stack of hay". But the US could have ordered his arrest and extradition in Dubai last July. But then they would not have had a pretext of waging a war. Meanwhile, innocent civilians are being killed by B-52 Bombers as means "to go after" Osama bin Laden. According to UN sources, the so-called "campaign against international terrorism" could lead to the death of several million people from an impending famine.
The original article in French is also posted on the CRG webpage.
Michel Chossudovsky, CRG. 2 November 2001

Speaking of conspiracies. Maybe this conspiracy "theory" itself is all one big conspiracy to make the American administration look like the culprit.

 

[EagleSmack]

We do do we? and the proof of that is where????

Oh well unless the phone calls from some of the stewardess is part of the conspiracy. Then ok. This is your story and your chance.

So NONE of the pilots were killed or had their throats cut. Very well.

Please continue.

So what is this all about then?



SENATOR THURMOND: I just want to say that once I was a Judge, highest Trial Court in South Carolina, a Circuit Judge, and my goal was to render justice. And that ought to be the goal of everyone, I think, in any position is to see that justice is done. Seek the truth and render justice whether people like it or not. That's the logical, honest thing to do.
Now I'll make a statement and that will close it. Despite the various views on what we have discussed, I believe all concerned will agree on one point. If the issue surrounding Admiral Kimmel and General Short was not important, so many prominent citizens, writers, historians, and senior military officials would not have made efforts to comment about the differences surrounding this matter. There is reason to closely examine any issue where such strong convictions by so many prominent and responsible individuals possess. This controversy has importance and deserves resolution. It is my experience that issues having such controversy cannot be ignored. They only worsen over time. Therefore, I believe the matter concerning Admiral Kimmel and General Short should be fairly resolved.
Let me express my appreciation for the attendance of those from the Department of Defense, the Kimmel family, the distinguished military officers, and the capable writers and historians. We appreciate all of you being here. We thank you for your contribution and may honesty and fairness prevail with this matter, pure, downright honesty. What is honest? What is justice? That's all we've got to do and nobody can condemn anyone if they make a judgment that's based on honesty and justice and that's all we ask can be done here. I thank all of you for coming and thank you very much for your contribution.


(Meeting adjourned.)
---------------------------------------------------------------
I, Patricia A. LaMonica, the assigned transcriber, do hereby certify that on June 26, 1995, I caused to be prepared a transcript of a hearing on the Posthumous Restoration of the Rank of Admiral for Rear Admiral Husband E. Kimmel with the Office of the Secretary of Defense and Members of the Kimmel Family, and that the attached transcript is an accurate representation of that hearing, Tape Number 042795SW.KIM, Index Number 04275SW.PRL. I understand that I am subject to punishment for any willful material misrepresentation of fact contained herein.
Date: July 5, 1995
(Signed)
Patricia A. LaMonica, A.O.C. #326
L.B.S., Inc.

Kimmel Hearings

That was what I pointed out to you in my post. Isn't that what I said? Are you looking for a debate when there is none? The Senate, of which Senator Thumond is a part of suprisingly enough, asked the President to exonerate Kimmel and Short. The President refused to exonerate them

To this day neither Short or Kimmel has been exonerated and the judgements that were passed upon them after Pearl Harbor still stand to this day.

Even all those hearings do nothing to clue you in to the fact that Governments must be kept under close watch, unfortunately that is very believable that anything they say is swallowed hook, line and sinker.

Those hearings had NOTHING to do with the notion that there was a conspiracy over Pearl Harbor. All they were meant to do was to exonerate the two men. They were made the scapegoats because the whole US Military and Government was caught off guard... INCLUDING Short and Kimmel. They share some of the responsibility as well.

In the meantime Grandfather Bush is funneling money to the Nazis. Your country rewards criminals and crucifies loyalists.

Ahhh... so NOW you are trying to deflect and get out of the challenge because at this point you are failing to givve your story on what "really happened" on 9/11.

Typical. You started strong but are ending weak.

Prove me wrong.

 

[EagleSmack]

No I did not know that. Reason being is that Adm. Kimmel was never exonerated. Back in the 90's the Senate passed a "NON-BINDING" resolution and asked the President to exonerate Kimmel but he never did.

So as it stands to this day, Adm. Kimmel and Gen. Short bear the bulk of the responisibility for being unprepared.

MHZ... Did you read this or just chose to ignore it?

 

[MHz]

MHZ... Did you read this or just chose to ignore it?

Were you really expecting to Government to admit to framing them or using them as scape-goats.
A Government inquiry with them as the investigators will find the Gov innocent.

I can't say I have read many links on the subject but there seem to be 'investigations' not controlled by the Gov., such as that link I provided, that are quite sure when all things are considered the official story just doesn't mesh. Those men were not given all real-time data concerning threats of being attacked.
Some in America were itching for war, true or false??? without Pearl Harbor the support would just not be there. How much money got circulated by the war itself, the reconstruction after that war (and others) and the 'prevention of being defensless'. War is not a penny anti-game and it, and the reasons for it almost endless, so far. Now add interest to that amount. Now add in the amount the losing side had in debts to banks, all those are repaid at 100% of face value.

 

[MHz]

Oh well unless the phone calls from some of the stewardess is part of the conspiracy. Then ok. This is your story and your chance.

That technology was not available back then, people still used the airline transmission equipment. Cell towers would not have reached the planes.

"Wireless communications networks weren't designed for ground-to-air communication. Cellular experts privately admit that they're surprised the calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they lasted as long as they did. They speculate that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground ( http://www.elliott.org/technology/2001/cellpermit.htm
​

So NONE of the pilots were killed or had their throats cut. Very well.

I'm saying, how was that determined to being 'a fact' over being 'a possible fact'?
Knives are for cutting, if the patsies were just having the pilots go to a certain location there would be no need to kill them, at least until they were much closer to the target. If controls were remoted then it wouldn't really matter, both are doomed by a 3rd party.

Please continue.

From where? The double-double cross or their posters being determined while some are still alive today. On a day that had everybody grounded had only Saudi nationals being escorted fro the American mainland. And then ......

That was what I pointed out to you in my post. Isn't that what I said? Are you looking for a debate when there is none? The Senate, of which Senator Thumond is a part of suprisingly enough, asked the President to exonerate Kimmel and Short. The President refused to exonerate them

The only thing that should have come from that is just further investigation to determine who was at fault and should be publicly punished. That could never happen, in that incident or a hundred others that have been independently investigated.

To this day neither Short or Kimmel has been exonerated and the judgements that were passed upon them after Pearl Harbor still stand to this day.

That was pretty much determined at the beginning of the plan. Notice in 911 they have changed that, everybody got a promotion instead.

Those hearings had NOTHING to do with the notion that there was a conspiracy over Pearl Harbor. All they were meant to do was to exonerate the two men. They were made the scapegoats because the whole US Military and Government was caught off guard... INCLUDING Short and Kimmel. They share some of the responsibility as well.

That it had been considered as a way to get public support for an very expensive war cannot be overlooked, in fact, in the 'follow the money dept' there is not a long list as to reaped the biggest pieces of the pie. The list is not readily acceptable in any section of society that actually has pull.

Ahhh... so NOW you are trying to deflect and get out of the challenge because at this point you are failing to givve your story on what "really happened" on 9/11.

No, I think it is going to be a very long story. Thankfully new tid-bits keep coming out. Having the 'something's not right' does not mean you have all the answers. It means when a question comes to mind you look for 'plausible' answers. It may turn into a 20 page summary.

Typical. You started strong but are ending weak.

2 posts and you are already declaring yourself the winner. LOL

Prove me wrong.

If it works that way, I only have to prove myself not wrong.

 

[MHz]

Oh well unless the phone calls from some of the stewardess is part of the conspiracy. Then ok. This is your story and your chance.

That technology was not available back then, people still used the airline transmission equipment. Cell towers would not have reached the planes.

"Wireless communications networks weren't designed for ground-to-air communication. Cellular experts privately admit that they're surprised the calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they lasted as long as they did. They speculate that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground ( http://www.elliott.org/technology/2001/cellpermit.htm
​

So NONE of the pilots were killed or had their throats cut. Very well.

I'm saying, how was that determined to being 'a fact' over being 'a possible fact'?
Knives are for cutting, if the patsies were just having the pilots go to a certain location there would be no need to kill them, at least until they were much closer to the target. If controls were remoted then it wouldn't really matter, both are doomed by a 3rd party.

Please continue.

From where? The double-double cross or their posters being determined while some are still alive today. On a day that had everybody grounded had only Saudi nationals being escorted fro the American mainland. And then ......

That was what I pointed out to you in my post. Isn't that what I said? Are you looking for a debate when there is none? The Senate, of which Senator Thumond is a part of suprisingly enough, asked the President to exonerate Kimmel and Short. The President refused to exonerate them

The only thing that should have come from that is just further investigation to determine who was at fault and should be publicly punished. That could never happen, in that incident or a hundred others that have been independently investigated.

To this day neither Short or Kimmel has been exonerated and the judgements that were passed upon them after Pearl Harbor still stand to this day.

That was pretty much determined at the beginning of the plan. Notice in 911 they have changed that, everybody got a promotion instead.

Those hearings had NOTHING to do with the notion that there was a conspiracy over Pearl Harbor. All they were meant to do was to exonerate the two men. They were made the scapegoats because the whole US Military and Government was caught off guard... INCLUDING Short and Kimmel. They share some of the responsibility as well.

That it had been considered as a way to get public support for an very expensive war cannot be overlooked, in fact, in the 'follow the money dept' there is not a long list as to reaped the biggest pieces of the pie. The list is not readily acceptable in any section of society that actually has pull.

Ahhh... so NOW you are trying to deflect and get out of the challenge because at this point you are failing to givve your story on what "really happened" on 9/11.

No, I think it is going to be a very long story. Thankfully new tid-bits keep coming out. Having the 'something's not right' does not mean you have all the answers. It means when a question comes to mind you look for 'plausible' answers. It may turn into a 20 page summary.

Typical. You started strong but are ending weak.

2 posts and you are already declaring yourself the winner. LOL

Prove me wrong.

If it works that way, I only have to prove myself not wrong.

 

[AnnaG]

If the controls were under remote? IF aliens hadn't had the technology to build tractor beams. If if if if if if
If people weren't so gullible, we'd all realize that the entire thing is a huge hoax pulled off by Ronald McDonald and the towers are actually still standing. lmao

 

[Kakato]

You can use a cell phone in a plane if the tower is in sight,just ask anyone with a ham radio or ten scanners how radio freeqs work.

Your so called experts are out to lunch and your quote mining again,try posting the whole quote next time.
might give you some credibility in your argument

 

[Kakato]

And yet a foiler contradicts himself once again.

Cellular experts privately admit that they're surprised the calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they lasted as long as they did. They speculate that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground

:roll:

Some peeps should read the links their posting before posting them.;-)

 

[Kreskin]

If there was any evidence of an inside job then Obama would have it, and he could in one day wipe the Republican party off the map by exposing it. Lets get real here. Why waste your time with this nonsensical theory?

 

[Kakato]

If there was any evidence of an inside job then Obama would have it, and he could in one day wipe the Republican party off the map by exposing it. Lets get real here. Why waste your time with this nonsensical theory?

Shhhh,they dont know Obama's in on it yet,I've been picking up his secret "stasi" signals whenever he appears on tv.;-)



"Rubs eyebrow with left hand"

 

[L Gilbert]

Obama? I think the wifey's onto something. Ronald McDonald engineered the whole thing. Perhaps with the help of Mickey Mouse, Elmer Fudd, and Carrot Top.

 

[MHz]

You can use a cell phone in a plane if the tower is in sight,just ask anyone with a ham radio or ten scanners how radio freeqs work.

Your so called experts are out to lunch and your quote mining again,try posting the whole quote next time.
might give you some credibility in your argument

This is from the site I got that quote from, it is somewhat longer and includes this.
The 9/11 Cell Phone Calls
Concluding Remarks
A large part of the description, regarding the 19 hijackers relies on cell phone conversations with family and friends.
While a few of these calls (placed at low altitude) could have got through, the wireless technology was not available. On this issue, expert opinion within the wireless telecom industry is unequivocal.
In other words, at least part of the Commission's script in Chapter 1 on the cell phone conversations, is fabricated.
According to the American Airline / Qualcomm announcement, the technology for cell phone transmission at high altitude will only be available aboard commercial aircraft in 2006. This is an inescapable fact.
In the eyes of public opinion, the cell phone conversations on the Arab hijackers is needed to sustain the illusion that America is under attack.
The "war on terrorism" underlying the National Security doctrine relies on real time "evidence" concerning the Arab hijackers. The latter personify, so to speak, this illusive "outside enemy" (Al Qaeda), which is threatening the homeland.
Embodied into the Commission's "script" of 911, the narrative of what happened on the plane with the Arab hijackers is therefore crucial. It is an integral part of the Administration's disinformation and propaganda program. It constitutes a justification for the anti-terror legislation under the Patriot acts and the waging of America's pre-emptive wars against Afghanistan and Iraq.

The article itself tracks the planes and their altitudes, read it for yourself.

 

[EagleSmack]

Hey folks this is his story so...

So the ones that called their families are now dead. Aren't they?

The people that recieved calls from the hijacked planes...mothers, fathers, husbands, wives... are they in on it or were they duped by their family members?

OR were their family members coerced into making those calls from the ground?

What happened to them?

 

[AnnaG]

Whatever happened to the radio telephones that some planes used? Did the hijackers need cells?
Anyway, lots of speculation makes it tough to weed out the facts. Best not to leap to conclusions based upon the speculative "ifs".

 

[EagleSmack]

Whatever happened to the radio telephones that some planes used? Did the hijackers need cells?
Anyway, lots of speculation makes it tough to weed out the facts. Best not to leap to conclusions based upon the speculative "ifs".

He ignored those airphones.

 

[lone wolf]

Cell phones? No way. The technology for uninterrupted roaming was not yet in place. Credit card calls from in-plane systems worked quite well.

 

[Stretch]

History Channel Caught In Another 9/11 Lie

By: malterwitty
Tags: 911
The History Channel’s new documentary Life After People completely contradicts its 9/11 debunking show by pointing out that steel structure buildings can withstand temperatures of well over 2000 degrees Fahrenheit without being compromised, proving that burning jet fuel temperatures of no more than 1100 degrees Fahrenheit could not have weakened the steel in the twin towers, never mind melted it.
Alex Jones’ Prison Planet.com » History Channel Caught In Another 9/11 Lie

 

[Kakato]

Allmost all the nutbar theorys are debunked many times over here.

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