Angus Reid Poll

[mt_pockets1000]

Yeah, who the hell does Harper think he's fooling? The facts speak for themselves Jack.

 

[JLM]

Then pay it off at the end of each month....duh.

You don't like anyone do you? :roll:

 

[damngrumpy]

Jack has a new nickname that is going to help him with momentum. The press is now
calling him Tsunami Jack. and the slogan on some boards refers to the NDP as
New Direction Now. People are getting creative and positive interesting.

Some are suggesting that Manitoba will be more friendly than usual for the New Democrats
and that is interesting as I believe Manitoba is one of those political bell weathers that often
represents serious change. In 1958 when Dief made his run the NDP almost got wiped out
especially in that Province. It might be going against the Tories this time. something to watch
on election night.

 

[JLM]

Getting back to JLM's point about the seat count, there is a real possibility of a 100 seats.
I have been working on this very hard, as I will be part of a radio panel on election night.
If you look at popular vote vs translation to seats, you begin to see the pattern of where
those seats will come from. Quebec will deliver I think anywhere from 25 to 30 seats.
Ontario, will see the NDP pick up some of those Liberal seats as they fight the Tories and
New Democrats come up the middle. The Green vote is spread very thin across the
country for their 7% but NDP strength is developing in all five regions. Look for considerable
gains in suburban Ontario and in the core of cities. The Conservatives have their base true
but like BC they will be under pressure from the NDP this time and that leaves some of those
seats vulnerable to Liberals coming up the middle as the two front runners split and this is
where the Tories are having trouble. Watch where they plug the leadership into those riding's
on the weekend.
On the Prairie, Manitoba will give the NDP some help, I predict Saskatchewan will be good for
two or three, and Alberta may deliver one more. BC is a battlefield for sure, as the NDP and the
Conservatives fight it out not for first and second place but for actual seats. A surge like this
is a signal that some of the vote split will favor the NDP this time, instead of the Conservatives.
One other thing should be pointed out here, the Liberals as of Sunday are showing signs of
imploding. A fall from 25 or 26% in about three or four days shows the soft vote is leaving the
Liberals. They are at 22%. If that happens the Liberal left is going NDP. What will the soft
right do? I predict it will go to the New Democrats, the Greens or just stay home. This is too
bitter a campaign for the Liberals to actually translate votes into Conservative support.
On the Eastern Seaboard, the NDP will make gains, but it depends on what the Liberal vote
does, whether the Liberals hang onto what they have. here Conservatives could actually pick
up a few in the vote split.
The real questions are for after the election. If the Liberals implode, where do the Paul Martin's
and the right wing of the party go? My view, to the Conservatives. If the Liberals collapse
and have fewer than 70 seats their come back will be difficult. Many of their leading figures will
be gone, their leadership broken and their money supply will dwindle. This is a serious crossroad
for the party. Here is what happens when you install a leader that does not have the grassroots
of the party fully engaged. I will say that Mr Harper and Jack Layton both enjoy the support of their
party members and to one extent or another, the general public. Ignatieff, on the other hand has
no allegiance from the public or his own party. The only thing Iggy had was the arrogance to
believe the masses didn't matter they would just follow because he was leading them with
intellect. Politics is about opinion, intellect and passion which of course brings in blind ignorance.
So that is where we are. Yes I still think Harper will have more seats, the NDP will be second,
and the Liberals third, but there won't be a coalition of any kind until Iggy is gone at least.
Now we all have something to argue about on this thread.

I hope (in one sense) you are right. Could be Laytonmania (we know how that finally turned out) My guess is still around 50 seats- it's still a few days before the election and I'm guessing the enthusiasm is more from emotion that reason. I'm guessing that 3/4 of those who have switched will switch back at the ballot box.

 

[damngrumpy]

The reason I don't think that might happen is because the undecided vote margin is shrinking
and the advance polls were so busy. The Liberal ads look desperate now, they are trying to
make people believe they are still relevant, kind of sad really, they were so out of touch with
what people were thinking. They chose a safe route with a hand picked leader that has no
emotional or everyday connection with ordinary people. The problem is for the Liberals, many
may well go to the NDP, to ensure Harper doesn't get a majority the rolls have reversed here.
If the Liberal vote collapses, and the undecided falls to less that 10% by Friday morning this
election is up for grabs. The Liberals ads make the party look like a deer caught in the head
lights

 

[Colpy]

If God really cared, he would have struck Harper with a bolt of lightening long ago.... God has nothing to do with it.



Big deal.... it should be done, though as he said, not at this time, as there are more important issues to deal with.

Still better then having that corrupt scum-bag Harper getting a Majority...... speaking of which, I noticed many of the Con supporters have stopped their prancing around about how this time will be a Con Majority.

Told ya.

Well, you know........calling Harper a "scumbag" is really quite amusing, as he has run the most corruption-free government in at least 27 years.........in fact if you don't count the 6 month wonders, the most corruption free government since 1968.

We'll see what happens.

There is still hope for a Harper majority........otherwise, we get the coalition (official or non) with the Bloc driving the bus, so it really makes no difference whether it is the Liberal idiot or the NDP idiot in the PM's chair.

 

[mentalfloss]

Keep up the good fight Colpy.

 

[Colpy]

Keep up the good fight Colpy.

Which calls for a rousing chorus of "If You Don't Know Me By Now...."

 

[damngrumpy]

What a way to discuss the issues of the day. Calling the PM a scumbag, and the other
two idiots. Colpy face it the cleanest in 27 years doesn't mean much when we have the
cabinet ministers lying to parliament, and assistants under investigation, and a host of
other misdeeds. slightly better doesn't count, and besides I am tired of all the financial,
sex and lie scandals. Its time to give Jack a chance and besides we can wait with baited
breathe to see if his scandal will be a better one. Maybe we should have the scandal of
the year award. If the surge continues into Friday, we could be talking about Tsunami Jack

 

[mentalfloss]

I don't mind more sex scandals, but yes, the media control and financial scandals have to go.

 

[CDNBear]

I don't mind more sex scandals, but yes, the media control and financial scandals have to go.

Media control?

 

[mentalfloss]

Media control?

YouTube - Simply Red - If You Don't Know Me By Now

 

[CDNBear]

YouTube - Simply Red - If You Don't Know Me By Now

Is that supposed to mean I should know you're what? Talking out your ass again?

 

[Colpy]

What a way to discuss the issues of the day. Calling the PM a scumbag, and the other
two idiots. Colpy face it the cleanest in 27 years doesn't mean much when we have the
cabinet ministers lying to parliament, and assistants under investigation, and a host of
other misdeeds. slightly better doesn't count, and besides I am tired of all the financial,
sex and lie scandals. Its time to give Jack a chance and besides we can wait with baited
breathe to see if his scandal will be a better one. Maybe we should have the scandal of
the year award. If the surge continues into Friday, we could be talking about Tsunami Jack

I'm not happy about Oda, I think she should have resigned. Guergis and that other idiot advisor were ousted at the first whiff of corruption, the Conservatives should not wear that.

What other scandals?

The problem with Jack is that he is not dealing with reality. Billions upon billions of new spending, without much specific on how to pay.....except boost the corporate tax to 19.5% and do a cap and trade on carbon emissions....

that will damage our economy.

And will do wonders for unity in the west.

Jack will tear the guts out of the military.

Jack is willing to re-open constitutional talks with Quebec.....gee that went well last time! You do remember the Meech Lake and Charlottetown Accords, followed by the squeeker referendum in 1995?

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I think now that Jack has become a real player, people need to take a long, hard look at him.......

 

[mentalfloss]

The problem with Jack is that he is not dealing with reality. Billions upon billions of new spending, without much specific on how to pay.....except boost the corporate tax to 10.5% and do a cap and trade on carbon emissions....

Is that like.. $30 Billion on fighter jets?

Jets that appear to rising above the estimated price that we were promised?

Or is that like $1 Billion for an boondoggled G20?

 

[Colpy]

Is that like.. $30 Billion on fighter jets?

Jets that appear to rising above the estimated price that we were promised?

Or is that like $1 Billion for an boondoggled G20?

That's like $30 billion plus on fighter jets.......over the next 30 years.

 

[Praxius]

Harper pisses away billions and you are afraid of Jack? Canada wasn't in the hole until Harper and if the Liberals hadn't left us a surplus, we would be in the same boat as the Yanks. Your unwavering support for that clown has me worried.

..... And people being worried about the NDP raising taxes?

Which would you rather have?

Increased Taxes to pay off the debt...... or lose your job & have funding for many important programs cut that this nation depends on.... like what the Cons have been doing?

At least with higher taxes you still have your job and still have money coming in to pay for those taxes.... rather then having no job because you were laid off and then end up sucking money from the government as an unemployed bum.

Oh yeah.... there's no actual proof that taxes would go up in the first place and it's all just fear mongering assumption at this stage.

And if higher taxes is the worst argument people can think of using against the NDP, then there's really not much to worry about.

 

[mentalfloss]

Well there is a legitimate worry over NDP spending Billions...

or... um.. something..yea...


.............

 

[Praxius]

My biggest worry with this kind of change up is some parallel to the U.S. - where we replace a completely ass-backwards government with one that is simply stagnant.

The difference is that if the NDP get a majority, then they don't have to worry about the other parties making the system stagnant like in the US..... if there's a minority and one of the other parties is willing to work with the NDP to get things done, then it won't be stagnant like the US.

The thing is, our system of government isn't like the US's system..... so to compare the two is a bit foolish.

And considering the only reason why the US government is stagnant is because the Republicans are sore losers and refuse to co-operate with any plans the Democrats come up with, kicking and screaming every step of the way...... that there explains clearly why nothing is getting done.

Well, you know........calling Harper a "scumbag" is really quite amusing, as he has run the most corruption-free government in at least 27 years.........

Surly you jest, lmao!

in fact if you don't count the 6 month wonders, the most corruption free government since 1968.

We'll see what happens.

There is still hope for a Harper majority........otherwise, we get the coalition (official or non) with the Bloc driving the bus, so it really makes no difference whether it is the Liberal idiot or the NDP idiot in the PM's chair.

I'd rather an idiot then a scumbag..... if idiots screw up, it's done honestly and they admit it.... scumbags do it on purpose, lie about it and tell you everything is fine as they plan their next screw over.

Either way, you'll still have your coalition.... and if the NDP win, the coalition will be between the Cons & Libs because they're sore losers and want to make sure the NDP look as useless as they are, by continuing to fight every single step of the way...... and I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to get the bloc on their side like the hypocrites they are.......

.... then who will you support?

 

[mentalfloss]

The difference is that if the NDP get a majority, then they don't have to worry about the other parties making the system stagnant like in the US..... if there's a minority and one of the other parties is willing to work with the NDP to get things done, then it won't be stagnant like the US.

The thing is, our system of government isn't like the US's system..... so to compare the two is a bit foolish.

And considering the only reason why the US government is stagnant is because the Republicans are sore losers and refuse to co-operate with any plans the Democrats come up with, kicking and screaming every step of the way...... that there explains clearly why nothing is getting done.

That kind of sounds like conservatives.. if you don't know me by nowwwww