And They're OUT! The UK leaves the EU.

Jinentonix

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Pretty hard to 'change things from the inside' when your bosses are sitting in Brussels making up all the rules as they go, unanswerable to member nations for their decisions and with little or no recourse to them.
Besides that, it's pretty hard to change things from the inside when the vast majority on the inside refuse to even acknowledge there's a problem. And the biggest problem is the EU is such a huge affront to democracy. It went from a trading bloc to a political bloc with absolutely no vote from the people of Europe or any other form of democratic process. Which makes it nothing more than a massive power grab. And in typical fashion, they then dust off the ol "my feels are hurt" routine.
Then there's all the butt-hurt Remainers who are calling for an immediate second referendum because "there wasn't enough of a voter turn-out to make it an accurate representation of the country's desire", or some bullsh*t. Despite the fact there was a much larger voter turn-out than there had been for the last few national elections.


Yep, it must really suck when actual, real democracy wins the day.
 

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Apart from Boris Johnson, here are some other politicians who are likely to campaign become the 55th Prime Minister of the United Kingdom in the coming weeks:

Priti Patel


The 44 year old Employment Minister and Tory MP for Witham in Essex, she was a prominent member of the Leave campaign. Her parents were Ugandan immigrants of Gujarati origin and she is the UK's first Hindu female MP.




Stephen Crabb

A 43 year old Welshman born in Scotland, Crabb is the Tory MP for Preseli Pembrokeshire and the Work and Pensions Secretary. He would be the UK's first Welsh PM since David Lloyd George. He is one of the favourites.




Andrea Leadsom

The soft-spoken, charming 53-year old Tory MP for South Northamptonshire was a big hitter for the Leave campaign. Her use of the phrase "Let's take back control" during the two EU referendum TV debates she took part it got much of the audience on her side and infuriated her Remain opponents.




Theresa May


May is the Home Secretary as well as the MP for Maidenhead. She may well run for Prime Minister on a "Stop Boris" ticket. She is one of the favourites.




Michael Gove

The 48 year old Scot, MP for Surrey Heath as well as the Lord Chancellor and Justice Secretary, is also an author and former columnist for The Times. He and Boris were the two big beasts of the Leave campaign. One of the favourites.



Besides that, it's pretty hard to change things from the inside when the vast majority on the inside refuse to even acknowledge there's a problem. And the biggest problem is the EU is such a huge affront to democracy. It went from a trading bloc to a political bloc with absolutely no vote from the people of Europe or any other form of democratic process. Which makes it nothing more than a massive power grab. And in typical fashion, they then dust off the ol "my feels are hurt" routine.
Then there's all the butt-hurt Remainers who are calling for an immediate second referendum because "there wasn't enough of a voter turn-out to make it an accurate representation of the country's desire", or some bullsh*t. Despite the fact there was a much larger voter turn-out than there had been for the last few national elections.


Yep, it must really suck when actual, real democracy wins the day.

More people – 17,410,742, on a very high turnout – voted Leave on Thursday than have ever voted for anything in British history.

Don't read much of what's going on in your own spot of the world, do you? Thanks to all of this, not just Scotland is thinking of trying for its own version of "exit". Don't blame the Irish looking into the idea, either.

What is not pointed out (especially by Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon) is that Scotland (which voted to Remain, just like Northern Ireland) very nearly kept England (which voted Leave) and Wales (which voted Leave) in the EU against their will.
 
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What is not pointed out (especially by Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon) is that Scotland (which voted to Remain, just like Northern Ireland) very nearly kept England (which voted Leave) and Wales (which voted Leave) in the EU against their will.

And what about the Irish and Scottish who wanted to stay, who are now being forced to leave against THEIR will?

See, that's the problem and you, obviously, are just too ignorant(?) to want to realize it.

I need to look into it some but I did get an article saying people are already signing a petition for a do-over. Over 100,000 which apparently is enough for Parliament to consider the idea.
 

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And what about the Irish and Scottish who wanted to stay, who are now being forced to leave against THEIR will?

See, that's the problem and you, obviously, are just too ignorant(?) to want to realize it.

I need to look into it some but I did get an article saying people are already signing a petition for a do-over. Over 100,000 which apparently is enough for Parliament to consider the idea.

That's when you get your big army out and determine who gets to decide. And the looser can STFU
 

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I think in the US that's the standard response.

In the UK... a football match??

Sure, sounds exiciting. I'll tune into that match. Let's make it a football game to decide to remain or stay. I'm good with that.
 

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I think in the US that's the standard response.

In the UK... a football match??
You really haven't read a lot of British history, have you?

Here's the highlights:

Ireland
India
Australia
North America
Pacific Islands
Middle East
Africa
China (see Opium Wars)
Napoleonic Wars
Crimean War
The Great Game
World War I
World War II
Korean War
Falklands War
Iraq War I
Iraq War II
Afghan War
Invasion of Suez

I know you hate the U.S., and that's fine. But to hold up the British as a model of pacifism and non-aggression is insane.
 

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The most consistent message i've seen in the media over the last 24 hours was of the overwhelming sense of REGRET by the Leave voters as they see their currency and portfolios drop. I've seen a couple of carefully edited examples only... it seems to me most UK citizens, certainly those who voted for Leave and many who voted against, are gleeful about the outcome.. except a few City of London snips who fear their Porsches and Savile Row Suits might be endangered.

I think there is overwhelming resentment by everyone else about being held for ransom by global trading and currency markets.. by 5 consolidated, global investment banks.. JP Morgan Chase; Goldman Sachs; Bank of America Merrill Lynch; Morgan Stanley; Citigroup (supported by Deutsche Bank; Credit Suisse; Barclays Capital).

The solution is not reversing Brexit.. but BREAKING UP the Merchant Banks and bringing them under the laws, regulations and ownership of the contries in which they operate... rather than the de facto self regulation afforded by the Supranational Regulatory Agencies (IMF, WTO, World Bank, Trade Tribunals).

The currency and stock market chaos is a MANUFACTURED crisis.. intended to restore control to financial and trading cartels, their hedge funds, over stocks.. and especially over currency from which they reap massive profits. They use the THREAT of market chaos and currency devaluation as a bludgeon to impose their will on the political world.

Up until the early 1970s currency was controlled by international agreements, especially the Bretton Woods Agreement, which allowed only narrow exchange fluctuation and ensured order and sovereign national privilege in domestic monetary and credit policy. Once currency was denationalized and commodified (under 'monetarism') the Banks took over control of all nation's economies in a criminal rackateering conspiracy.

All this will have to go if we are to rebuild the industrial economies of the West.. and the world. I believe that the EU is on it death bed. It will be history within 10 years, 15 at the most. It won't be done without turbulence, or without a fight.. but it will be done... leaving some kind of security and diplomatic structure left subservient to nation states (its the other way around now). But its coming to North America as well.

Unfortunately our incompetent little twit of PM is completely in the pall of the current economic and social paradigms, he relies of sentiment, ideology and illusion, he has no idea of what's coming down the pipe. He will never develop the wherewithal to protect Canada, or butt heads with Trump (or Boris Johnson). He'll have to leave, or be pushed, when everything hits the fan. I'm sure David Cameron thought his post was secure as well. It could be within a year or a little more.
 
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And what about the Irish and Scottish who wanted to stay, who are now being forced to leave against THEIR will?

See, that's the problem and you, obviously, are just too ignorant(?) to want to realize it.

I need to look into it some but I did get an article saying people are already signing a petition for a do-over. Over 100,000 which apparently is enough for Parliament to consider the idea.



You really don't know how it works over there, do you? Scotland just held a referendum on independence. The Scottish people decided to stay a part of Great Britain.

Now what's this about the "Irish"? Ireland isn't even part of the UK and is therefore not effected by this vote. If you are talking about NORTHERN IRELAND, then they are a part of the UK and have been for many years. They decided long ago that they did NOT want to be part of Ireland and wanted to stay with the UK.


As for the "do-over", there are always those on the losing side that will whine and cry and accuse. "Brexit" got the majority with a larger voter turnout than the last 2 general elections. Suck it up, buttercup.
 

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symbolically huge.

symbols seem to madden people these days.

the same 'people' will begin to act out, be the bad actors that they are and reinforce the sentiments of the leaves.

as far as future practicality goes, this is a turning point in the leftist bent the west took awhile back.

that wrong-headed thinking is coming undone.

things will only get better.
 

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You really haven't read a lot of British history, have you?

Here's the highlights:

Ireland
India
Australia
North America
Pacific Islands
Middle East
Africa
China (see Opium Wars)
Napoleonic Wars
Crimean War
The Great Game
World War I
World War II
Korean War
Falklands War
Iraq War I
Iraq War II
Afghan War
Invasion of Suez

I know you hate the U.S., and that's fine. But to hold up the British as a model of pacifism and non-aggression is insane.

LOL - I don't "hate" the US. Some of the people I dislike to the point of I wouldn't rush to save their lives but seeing as most of my friends are from the US; no, don't hate it.

Maybe I should'a just put the /s at the end of that to make it clearer.

You really don't know how it works over there, do you? Scotland just held a referendum on independence. The Scottish people decided to stay a part of Great Britain.

Oh FFS...

Because the UK was, at the time, going to stay in the EU and they believed this would be the case when the referendum happened. It didn't and if you look at the results, pretty much all of Scotland voted to stay. That's why there's talk of maybe another "Get Scotland out" referendum.

Now what's this about the "Irish"? Ireland isn't even part of the UK and is therefore not effected by this vote. If you are talking about NORTHERN IRELAND, then they are a part of the UK and have been for many years. They decided long ago that they did NOT want to be part of Ireland and wanted to stay with the UK.

My bad, NORTH Ireland...

Despite that being what they decided long ago, the idea of the North going to Ireland has been brought up. I'm just saying I read it... whether I agree or not isn't up to me.


As for the "do-over", there are always those on the losing side that will whine and cry and accuse. "Brexit" got the majority with a larger voter turnout than the last 2 general elections. Suck it up, buttercup.

LOL - Wow... suck it up buttercup? I'm not that upset by it so nothing to 'suck up' about it. That said my friends who are British do look at this affecting them.

I agree, there's always a losing side and it sucks. This time the losing side didn't expect to lose and the winning side... well there's a lot of stories coming out about how people were in shock over it. Great that it had a huge turnout, that's awesome. But the majority was slim, hence why people are going to try and get the do-over, which is the point.
 

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symbolically huge.

symbols seem to madden people these days.

the same 'people' will begin to act out, be the bad actors that they are and reinforce the sentiments of the leaves.

as far as future practicality goes, this is a turning point in the leftist bent the west took awhile back.

that wrong-headed thinking is coming undone.

things will only get better.

WRT world/local reactions - a new age, prosperity, dire consequences, plummeting currency values, business losses, etc. - my belief is that we are witnessing what can best be described as the flotsam of the Internets age.

Instant communication provides us with a method to report what's happening around the world. For example, showing natural disasters lets us see what's happening half a world away. There's no dispute that big earthquakes or tornadoes kill, cause severe damage and economic hardship.

Then there's things like Britain's vote result. All sorts of unproven, fear mongering, silly, or false statements and theories are reported by the various media outlets - most given by people who have no credentials to judge the implications. There's a need by media to add it's two cents - it's own opinion - on what's happening.

Then there's the social media people. They can say whatever they want - unqualified or otherwise - with no fear of landing in trouble. The avalanche of opinion starts. If not for Internets lemmings, what else would social media groupies have to do/talk about?

Some time has to pass, and sober reflection occur, before we'll know the true effects of the vote.

I do not wish to return to the daze before tech put us in the position of delivering instant news, but drawing conclusions without investigation of the facts and circumstances is irresponsible. Once upon a time, we said, "More on this as the situation develops." Nowadaze, it seems to be, "Holy sh!t, look at the disaster unfolding in the UK!!!"

One cannot lay the blame solely at the feet the under 40 crowd for this misuse of social media and/or the unsubstantiated reporting. There certainly are enough old fogies using tech in their jobs. The need to be first to report and/or render an opinion has trumped responsible reporting.

Not too many years ago, this is how I would have said this of the vote.

"Britain has decided tonight to leave the Economic Union. There are many opinions on how this will affect the lives of average Britons and the world. Everything from economic collapse to a new, golden age for the UK. In the coming days and weeks, we'll report the reactions and examine the implications, to see if we can understand what this will mean to Britain and the world.

Certainly, it's too early to predict anything. We'll keep an eye on the British and foreign governments, the EU and global markets to see how things shape up."
 
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I would expect that the rest of the EU countries will step back and watch how far the UK will dip economically; how much they will loose by not being at the EU conference table making their voice known, and also how many business will now leave. Only then, they can decide if the move was good or bad and if they can afford it. Another big factor is that now it gives the EU powers that much more leverage with one man out. The UK will be pushed out quickly. France Spain, Italy & Germany will lay low and act smart I'm sure. Who knows if it's good or bad, only time will tell.
 

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Hooray!

It is now 5:40 AM in London, and the LEAVE side leads by over a million votes.

Congrats to Britain for cutrting herself loose from a sinking continent.

Truly, Colpy :) do you think the outcome is better or worse?
What advantage or disadvantage of such thing?


Ha lek, you are glad at destruction of people!
Which confirms my doubt that the lobby of Rothchild and Rokfler maybe behind all this .. or may be not .. !!
 

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Besides that, it's pretty hard to change things from the inside when the vast majority on the inside refuse to even acknowledge there's a problem. And the biggest problem is the EU is such a huge affront to democracy. It went from a trading bloc to a political bloc with absolutely no vote from the people of Europe or any other form of democratic process. Which makes it nothing more than a massive power grab. And in typical fashion, they then dust off the ol "my feels are hurt" routine.
Then there's all the butt-hurt Remainers who are calling for an immediate second referendum because "there wasn't enough of a voter turn-out to make it an accurate representation of the country's desire", or some bullsh*t. Despite the fact there was a much larger voter turn-out than there had been for the last few national elections.


Yep, it must really suck when actual, real democracy wins the day.

Once I came to understand what the EU really is all about and how it is governed, Jine, I simply couldn't and still can't get my head around why any country would voluntarily give up so much of their autonomy to a bunch of bureaucrats. It boggles my mind.

And what about the Irish and Scottish who wanted to stay, who are now being forced to leave against THEIR will?

See, that's the problem and you, obviously, are just too ignorant(?) to want to realize it.

I need to look into it some but I did get an article saying people are already signing a petition for a do-over. Over 100,000 which apparently is enough for Parliament to consider the idea.

You see what's going on in Britain today? That's nothing..............nothing, compared to what would happen if a democratically held referendum was overturned. The people have had their say and all the hair-pulling, gnashing of teeth and wailing in the streets isn't going to change what has been done.

"Britain has decided tonight to leave the Economic Union. There are many opinions on how this will affect the lives of average Britons and the world. Everything from economic collapse to a new, golden age for the UK. In the coming days and weeks, we'll report the reactions and examine the implications, to see if we can understand what this will mean to Britain and the world.

Certainly, it's too early to predict anything. We'll keep an eye on the British and foreign governments, the EU and global markets to see how things shape up."

Not unlike how Walter Cronkite would have reported it, Murphy.
 

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...Not unlike how Walter Cronkite would have reported it, Murphy.

That's very kind of you. Walter Cronkite was a principled man. Opinions of the media would improve if bureaus would cease the sensationalism and go back to balanced, analytical reporting. Let the public judge for themselves. Don't tell viewers what you want them to believe. Most people are quite capable of reaching their own conclusions without help.

I fear that those days are gone. You don't know how much I'd like to be wrong about that.