And again... (Another US Shooting)

[taxslave]

I’m not even talking about abortion here, & I can see people trying to debate the above comment getting hung up on the term person…. that’s not relevant, but what is relevant would be the term life.

A fetus in the womb is potential, whether that womb is in a person or a giraffe. The species is not relevant.

If the fetus isn’t “alive” then it can’t die if it was never alive. If something happens to make that fetus transition from viable to non-viable and no longer a potential life form….is this just semantics in terms or language (?) simplified by using the terms alive vs not alive or dead (?) correctly or not? Does this question make sense?

If the entity in the womb loses the potential to become a viable “living” member of whatever the species the owner of that womb is…. What do you call that change of state??

Spontaneous abortion is the term you are looking for, if it happens naturally. There is another term I forget if it is medically induced, which is not the same as being cut out.
Cells in the body die on a regular basis, and I think this has another name as well.

 

[taxslave]

Except those streets of Vancouver for those races would no longer have been streets but a closed track during those races, right? Those F1 cars where not limited to 50km/h and stopping at red lights, stop signs, etc…as in “following the rules of the road” ‘Cuz at the time that those streets where not streets but a closed track.

Pretty much.
When I was young, we had a semi official dragstrip on a section of highway. At night there is virtually no traffic on that end of the highway between ferries and maybe 100 homes past it. Cops would usually put in an appearance , remind everyone to be clear when the last ferry came in (11ish.) and the road back to town is not a racetrack. Good community policing.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Spontaneous abortion is the term you are looking for, if it happens naturally. There is another term I forget if it is medically induced, which is not the same as being cut out.
Cells in the body die on a regular basis, and I think this has another name as well.

Where I was going was the semantics of the terminology involved. You state above that the Cells in the body “die” on a regular basis…. Which implies that they are alive until that happens.

If a viable fetus isn’t alive (I don’t care what species of foetus that we’re talking about because that’s just a strawman and a legal question) before 22 weeks….then what is it? If it’s not alive then it’s something else and what is that? This is a semantics thing and I don’t have a dog in this hunt.

I voluntarily removed myself from the gene pool three decades ago.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

It's a person when the soul enters the body, which for some is at conception, for some at "quickening," and for politicians and people who talk in the theatre, never.

 

[B00Mer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1532753966441832448

 

[B00Mer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1532825842329522176

 

[taxslave]

Where I was going was the semantics of the terminology involved. You state above that the Cells in the body “die” on a regular basis…. Which implies that they are alive until that happens.

If a viable fetus isn’t alive (I don’t care what species of foetus that we’re talking about because that’s just a strawman and a legal question) before 22 weeks….then what is it? If it’s not alive then it’s something else and what is that? This is a semantics thing and I don’t have a dog in this hunt.

I voluntarily removed myself from the gene pool three decades ago.

Been two decades for me. Been fighting to keep governments out of people's personal lives for 3 decades before that.

 

[taxslave]

It's a person when the soul enters the body, which for some is at conception, for some at "quickening," and for politicians and people who talk in the theatre, never.

Assuming there is such a thing as a soul. Big Assumption.

 

[spaminator]

It's a person when the soul enters the body, which for some is at conception, for some at "quickening," and for politicians and people who talk in the theatre, never.

Assuming there is such a thing as a soul. Big Assumption.

there are a lot of asssouls out there.

 

[Serryah]

Maybe phrasing needs to be addressed.

Instead of using "Gun control" switch it up to "Gun responsibility".

Maybe that'll get the right actually at least willing to do something.

Also.

4 in 10 Republicans think mass shootings are 'unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society': CBS/YouGov poll

In the CBS/YouGov poll, 44% of Republicans said mass shootings are "unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society."

www.insider.com

• Some 44% of Republicans say mass shootings are "something we have to accept as part of a free society," a poll found.
  
  In response, 44% of Republicans said mass shootings are inevitable "as part of a free society." Meanwhile, 85% of Democrats and 73% of Independents said mass shootings are preventable "if we really tried."

Fuck those people for "accepting" mass shootings as something that has to be part of a 'free' society.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Maybe phrasing needs to be addressed.

Instead of using "Gun control" switch it up to "Gun responsibility".

Maybe that'll get the right actually at least willing to do something.

Also.

4 in 10 Republicans think mass shootings are 'unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society': CBS/YouGov poll

In the CBS/YouGov poll, 44% of Republicans said mass shootings are "unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society."

www.insider.com

• Some 44% of Republicans say mass shootings are "something we have to accept as part of a free society," a poll found.
  
  In response, 44% of Republicans said mass shootings are inevitable "as part of a free society." Meanwhile, 85% of Democrats and 73% of Independents said mass shootings are preventable "if we really tried."

Fuck those people for "accepting" mass shootings as something that has to be part of a 'free' society.

How about "gun safety?" That's already being proposed.

 

[Serryah]

How about "gun safety?" That's already being proposed.

That too.

 

[B00Mer]

WTF!! Is wrong with America??

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1533805937437380608

 

[B00Mer]

All those fucking guns, and nobody wants to be the hero and take out Biden

 

[Ron in Regina]

All those fucking guns, and nobody wants to be the hero and take out Biden

Yikes. That’s the kind of talk online that you don’t even joke about. When I first read it I thought you wrote bin Laden, & he’s supposedly already done in, unless you believe in the Hollywood version of things:

 

[B00Mer]

Yikes. That’s the kind of talk online that you don’t even joke about. When I first read it I thought you wrote bin Laden, & he’s supposedly already done in, unless you believe in the Hollywood version of things:

You know it’s a matter of time.. the USA is going gun crazy..

I’m in Ohio and a trucker was shot at a Flying J, for making to much noise.. he’s okay.. but fuck.

Did you not hear about this guy with a hit list

Judge shot, killed in Wisconsin home by gunman with alleged hit list

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer was on the gunman's hit list, along with several judicial members, authorities said.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Dixie Cup]

Maybe phrasing needs to be addressed.

Instead of using "Gun control" switch it up to "Gun responsibility".

Maybe that'll get the right actually at least willing to do something.

Also.

4 in 10 Republicans think mass shootings are 'unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society': CBS/YouGov poll

In the CBS/YouGov poll, 44% of Republicans said mass shootings are "unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society."

www.insider.com

• Some 44% of Republicans say mass shootings are "something we have to accept as part of a free society," a poll found.
  
  In response, 44% of Republicans said mass shootings are inevitable "as part of a free society." Meanwhile, 85% of Democrats and 73% of Independents said mass shootings are preventable "if we really tried."

Fuck those people for "accepting" mass shootings as something that has to be part of a 'free' society.

I do not for one minute believe that poll! Not an iota. While there are crazies out there, most Republicans adhere to law & order, the Constitution (2nd amendment) rule of law. I doubt if the vast majority of the 44% were even Republicans. The polls taken now-a-days cannot be relied on because they all have a bias. Look at all the recent polling even here in Canada - mostly wrong!!

 

[Serryah]

I do not for one minute believe that poll! Not an iota. While there are crazies out there, most Republicans adhere to law & order, the Constitution (2nd amendment) rule of law. I doubt if the vast majority of the 44% were even Republicans. The polls taken now-a-days cannot be relied on because they all have a bias. Look at all the recent polling even here in Canada - mostly wrong!!

Color me not surprised or shocked that you don't believe it.

Unless it comes from Republican mouths, you don't believe anything.

 

[petros]

WTF!! Is wrong with America??

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1533805937437380608

Methamphetamines

 

[Jinentonix]

Maybe phrasing needs to be addressed.

Instead of using "Gun control" switch it up to "Gun responsibility".

Holy fuck the irony is brutally hilarious.