Amnesty International - Sucking up to supporters of Terror

Colpy

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But you support US aggression, ironsides, the biggest, most powerful terrorist organization the world has ever known. US foreign policy has killed and maimed more people than Hitler and Stalin put together. You want to pay lip service to human rights, protest your own government.

Cliffy, you have a monumental talent for overstating your case.

More terrifying than Stalin's USSR? More destructive than Hitler's Germany?
More dangerous than Mao's China? More insane than Kim's North Korea?
More genocidal than the Sudan? More repressive than Zimbabwe?

Oh My GOD I didn't even read the second part!!!!!!

The Second World War, caused practically single-handedly by Hitler killed 50 million people.

About 20 million were murdered by Joseph Stalin.

Get bloody serious....:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:
 

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Cliffy, you have a monumental talent for overstating your case.

More terrifying than Stalin's USSR? More destructive than Hitler's Germany?
More dangerous than Mao's China? More insane than Kim's North Korea?
More genocidal than the Sudan? More repressive than Zimbabwe?

Oh My GOD I didn't even read the second part!!!!!!

The Second World War, caused practically single-handedly by Hitler killed 50 million people.

About 20 million were murdered by Joseph Stalin.

Get bloody serious....:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

The thing is Colpy he means EXACTLY what he said and still does.
 

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Cliffy, you have a monumental talent for overstating your case.

More terrifying than Stalin's USSR? More destructive than Hitler's Germany?
More dangerous than Mao's China? More insane than Kim's North Korea?
More genocidal than the Sudan? More repressive than Zimbabwe?

Oh My GOD I didn't even read the second part!!!!!!

The Second World War, caused practically single-handedly by Hitler killed 50 million people.

About 20 million were murdered by Joseph Stalin.

Get bloody serious....:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:


Some place the number of killings under Chirman Mao as up to 70 million -
 

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We can't stop Chairman Mao or Stalin or Hitler but Israel can be prevented from making the same mistakes. I would say to my Israeli brothers and sisters, EARTH, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.:lol:

Lots of Mid Eat thread - This is about AI and their problems -
 

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Amnesty International - Sucking up to supporters of Terror and Organizations that abhor Basic Human Rights - Now who would believe that? I would never have thought that - Clearly they are losing sight of the objective - Human Rights for everyone.What is your opinion?

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2010/02/08/terry-glavin-amnesty-international.aspx

Amnesty International doubles down on appeasementPosted: February 08, 2010, 1:00 PM by Kelly McParlandThis has been going on for far too long. Now it's gone too far.To the embarrassment of its most principled supporters and against all internal entreaties, Amnesty International has persisted in whoring itself out...

Whatever Goober. What your post is really about is that Israel really can't defend its war crimes and crimes against humanity and instead has launched a campaign to discredit the messenger. Your post is part of that campaign:

Israel 'personally attacking human rights group' after Gaza war criticism

Human Rights Watch denies having political agenda or seeking funds from Saudi Arabia

The Goldstone report, which HRW supported, accused Israel of a disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate and terrorise a civilian population. Photograph: Hatem Omar/AP



America's leading human rights organisation has accused Israel and its supporters of an "organised campaign" of false allegations and misinformation, including "extremely personal attacks" on its staff, in an attempt to discredit the group over its reports of war crimes in Gaza.


Human Rights Watch (HRW) ties the campaign – which has included accusations that the group's reports on the Jewish state are written by "anti-Israel ideologues" and that it has sought funds from Saudi Arabia – to a statement by a senior official in the Israeli prime minister's office in June pledging to "dedicate time and manpower to combating" human rights organisations.


The criticism began with Israeli pressure groups and rightwing blogs, but in recent weeks it has drawn the support of influential individuals such as Elie Wiesel, the Holocaust survivor and Nobel peace prize winner, and HRW's own founder, Robert Bernstein, who said the organisation's reports were "helping those who wish to turn Israel into a pariah state". He called on HRW to focus more on abuses by Arab governments.


Iain Levine, HRW's programme director, said that while the organisation had long attracted criticism, in recent months there had been significant attempts to intimidate and discredit it.


"I really hesitate to use words like conspiracy, but there is a feeling that there is an organised campaign, and we're seeing from different places what would appear to be co-ordinated attacks ... from some of the language and arguments used it would seem as if there has been discussion," he said."We are having to spend a lot of time repudiating the lies, the falsehoods, the misinformation."


Spearheading some of the criticism is NGO Monitor in Jerusalem, an Israeli group funded by wealthy US donors which includes Wiesel on its advisory board. It has accused HRW staff of having a "political agenda" to attack Israel.
Criticism has particularly focused on the director of HRW's Middle East division, Sarah Leah Whitson, over a visit to Saudi Arabia.
NGO Monitor accused Whitson of attempting to raise money from Saudi officials by highlighting HRW's criticism of Israel, a charge also made in a comment piece for the Wall Street Journal online that was subsequently widely distributed by the most powerful of the pro-Israel lobby groups, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac). Shortly afterwards, the director of policy planning in the Israeli prime minister's office, Ron Dermer, denounced Human Rights Watch.
"We are going to dedicate time and manpower to combating these groups; we are not going to be sitting ducks in a pond for the human rights groups to shoot at us with impunity," he said.
Levine said that Whitson's visit to Saudi Arabia was similar to trips by other HRW officials to Tokyo, Johannesburg and Tel Aviv to win the support of individuals interested in supporting human rights in their own countries and abroad.
"This idea that somehow the Saudi government is going to be able to influence us is nonsense. It's a cardinal principle of the organisation that we don't take government money," he said.
But Levine added that Dermer's threat marked the escalation of the campaign against HRW.
"It was clear that you had a new government in Israel under Binyamin Netanyahu with a harder right approach. He certainly recognised that the criticisms of Israeli conduct in Gaza from a humanitarian law perspective was extremely politically damaging," he said.
Levine said he believes many of the attacks were aimed at distracting attention from the report of the UN investigator, Richard Goldstone, which was highly critical of Israel's killing of civilians in its three-week attack on Gaza that started last December. Goldstone is a former member of the HRW board and the group has strongly backed his report.
"We have been under enormous pressure and tremendous attacks, some of them very personal, as have been the attacks against Richard Goldstone with really vituperative language used to describe him: obsequious Jew, self-loathing Jew and all the rest of it," said Levine.
HRW came under renewed criticism last month from its founder, Robert Bernstein, in an opinion article in the New York Times in which he accused it of criticising Israel more than undemocratic governments in the rest of the Middle East.
"Human Rights Watch has lost critical perspective on a conflict in which Israel has been repeatedly attacked by Hamas and Hezbollah, organisations that go after Israeli citizens and use their own people as human shields," he wrote.
Bernstein accused HRW of basing its accusations against Israel on the testimony of Palestinian "witnesses whose stories cannot be verified and who may testify for political advantage or because they fear retaliation from their own rulers".
Levine said that Bernstein went public only after the HRW board rejected his call for a change in direction.
A few days later, Wiesel and others published a letter in the Guardian drawing attention to Bernstein's article, accusing HRW of playing a "destructive role" and calling for a review by the organisation's board.
In September, HRW was shaken by accusations that its military expert and collector of war memorabilia, Marc Garlasco, is a Nazi sympathiser after describing an SS jacket as "so cool" in comments on a blog. Both he and HRW vigorously deny the charge, but Garlasco has been suspended pending an investigation.
At the time, Levine called the attacks on Garlasco the latest salvo in the Israeli government's campaign "to eliminate the space for legitimate criticism" of the Israeli military...
 

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What is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization doing in the far east? Who is guarding our soft North Atlantic underbellybutton against the Mongolian Banking Hordes and the International Financial Slavers?
We have it mostly on ice these days.
 

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You just do not get it - Everything I post in you opinion is in support of Israel -

Man oh man - You do have a fixation with me and Israel -

This thread is about AI and who they have supported - It was in the inititial post - Including the letter -
And please try to get of the case of me and Israel -

And again your posts are wayyyy to long
 

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You just do not get it - Everything I post in you opinion is in support of Israel -

Man oh man - You do have a fixation with me and Israel -

This thread is about AI and who they have supported - It was in the inititial post - Including the letter -
And please try to get of the case of me and Israel -

And again your posts are wayyyy to long

Take a look at the first post in this string, Mr. Kettle.

At least I surrounded my reference with a quotation box, so you could tell what I did and didn't write. In your first post in this string, its hard to tell what you wrote and what was written by Terry Glavin, who by the way is no authority regarding NGO's like AI. Instead he is the adjunct professor of creative writing at the University of British.

Also how objective is this statement from your first post?

Amnesty International has persisted in whoring itself out to Cage Prisoners

A major campaign is being waged to discredit anyone or organization critical of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity and Terry Glavin's oped appears to be part of that campaign. As a result, so is your first post in this thread.
 

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Take a look at the first post in this string, Mr. Kettle.

At least I surrounded my reference with a quotation box, so you could tell what I did and didn't write. In your first post in this string, its hard to tell what you wrote and what was written by Terry Glavin, who by the way is no authority regarding NGO's like AI. Instead he is the adjunct professor of creative writing at the University of British.

Also how objective is this statement from your first post?



A major campaign is being waged to discredit anyone or organization critical of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity and Terry Glavin's oped appears to be part of that campaign. As a result, so is your first post in this thread.

EAO, you are missing the point, which is (to quote Mr. Churchill) "A fanatic is one who can't change their mind and won't change the subject." That could have been written with you in mind.

Amnesty International, no matter how much it loves the poor persecuted Arabs, is WAY out of line on this matter, and the lady involved has demostrated integrity and courage in standing up to them in defence of human rights in general, and gender rights in particular.

AI loses its value if it becomes the tool of any particular entity, Arab, Jew, Saudi, American, capitalist, communist or whatever..........and it obviously has done just that......

Shame!!!
 
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The Goldstone Report: A Study in Duplicity


"Much has been written about the 575-page*anti-Israel polemic known as the Goldstone Report (formally known as the report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict), which charges that Israel intentionally targeted Palestinian civilians and likely committed "crimes against humanity.""

CAMERA: The Goldstone Report: A Study in Duplicity
 

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Face it you hate Jews -
Your stements and agreeing with Canaduh -

Accepting you are a Racist is the fisrt step towards changing that belief.

Point - Did you read the letter that was written by that lady?

Also there are other threads for your Anti Jewish attiudes.


Quotes CanaduhYour quote "the fact they dont own the media like the jews do. Every time the Israels do something or someone speaks out against them they play the holocaust get out of jail free card"

How can you excuse the above statement as anything but Anti Semetic - And do not preach Rational discussion to me -
I agree that both side have commited War crimes - yet you in that one eyed look always blame isreal - I ask questions yet you do not answer - Little difference between you and MHZ - I tried and treid to keep this rational yet the 2 of you keep on with the same old tripe - Also your post are to long and all over the place - Perhaps you should look at whta rational is - And it is not excusing a Racsist like Canaduh. Christ on a crutch but you are so blinded by hatered of Jews and isreal that you cannot see - They are all guilty - some more so than others -

But to you and MHZ - it is always isreal

Next - You are inclined to believe in a Jewish Controlled Media - What other Jewish hatred do you have that has not seen the light of day yet - I am sure you can find your own post - it would be diametrically opposed to the point of good judgement -
 

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Anyone or any organization who speaks against the brutality of Israel and the Zionist monsters who control it are characterized as haters of Jews, anti-semites . Why does Israel have an unnatural hate for the rest of the world and its people?
 

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Look what the so called rest of the world has done to them over the century's. Not much reason to trust. Trust yourself first.
 

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EAO, you are missing the point, which is (to quote Mr. Churchill) "A fanatic is one who can't change their mind and won't change the subject." That could have been written with you in mind.

Amnesty International, no matter how much it loves the poor persecuted Arabs, is WAY out of line on this matter, and the lady involved has demostrated integrity and courage in standing up to them in defence of human rights in general, and gender rights in particular.

AI loses its value if it becomes the tool of any particular entity, Arab, Jew, Saudi, American, capitalist, communist or whatever..........and it obviously has done just that......

Shame!!!

I know what the subject is very well Colpy. Goober's post is part of a campaign to discredit any organization or individual which criticizes Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The original post references something written by this blogger/oped columnist:
Terry Glavin is an adjunct professor of creative writing at the University of British Columbia and editor of Transmontanus Books.
Glavin is entitled to his opinions, but take them from where they are coming. He is a creative writer, not a human rights expert and he is a consistent supporter of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity crimes.

In 2006, Glavin came under fire from some progressives and from anti-war activists for a Georgia Straight column in which he had expressed support of the American and Israeli positions in the July 2006 invasion of Lebanon.
Terry Glavin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I've read up what is behind Glavin's beef regarding AI. It's this story:
Amnesty International is ‘damaged’ by Taliban link
An official at the human rights charity deplores its work with a ‘jihadist’

A SENIOR official at Amnesty International has accused the charity of putting the human rights of Al-Qaeda terror suspects above those of their victims.

Gita Sahgal, head of the gender unit at Amnesty’s international secretariat, believes that collaborating with Moazzam Begg, a former British inmate at Guantanamo Bay, “fundamentally damages” the organisation’s reputation....

Amnesty International is ‘damaged’ by Taliban link - Times Online
Gita Sahgal was the head of AI's gender unit. No doubt she is going to have a problem with Moazzam Begg's views regarding the role of women. Amnesty does not support Begg's personal viewpoint regarding women. They do support efforts by Begg's group to raise awareness of prisoner torture and murder. Begg's group isn't pushing for the subjugation of women, even though many of their members do hold that opinion personally.

Amnesty has consistently supported and fought for equal gender rights. But they also have consistently fought against murder and torture of prisoners, which is what is the sole purpose of "CagePrisoners"

Cageprisoners is organized as a human rights organization "that exists solely to raise awareness of the plight of the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and other detainees held as part of the War on Terror."[2]

Moazzam Begg from Birmingham, England, who was held for three years at Guantanamo Bay, is now a Director of Cageprisoners. Begg has spoken at University College London five or six times through 2009.[3]

Cageprisoners - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here is Amnesty International's rebuttal regarding Gita Sahgal's statements and her resignation.

Amnesty International on its work with Moazzam Begg and Cageprisoners
11 February 2010

There has been a lot of controversy in the media surrounding Amnesty International’s work with Moazzam Begg and Cageprisoners, in light of statements by Gita Sahgal, a Amnesty International staff member.

Contrary to Gita Sahgal’s assertions to the media, she was not suspended from Amnesty International for raising these issues internally. In fact we actively welcome vigorous internal debate. Up to now we have maintained confidentiality in line with our policy but wanted to correct this misrepresentation. This is not a reflection on the organisation’s respect for her work as a women’s rights activist and does not undermine the work she has done over the last few years as the head of Amnesty International’s gender unit.

Our work with Moazzam Begg has focused exclusively on highlighting the human rights violations committed in Guantánamo Bay and the need for the US government to shut it down and either release or put on trial those who have been held there. Moazzam Begg was one of the first detainees released by the US without charge, and has never been charged with any terrorist-related offence or put on trial.

When President Obama promised to close Guantánamo, Amnesty International hoped that we could wind down our campaign and focus more broadly on human rights abuses related to security and terrorism. However, as that promise remains unmet, Amnesty International continues to work with Moazzam Begg and other former detainees to ask European governments to accommodate those who cannot be returned to their country of citizenship without risk of torture or ill-treatment.

In this complex and polarised world we at Amnesty International face the challenge of communicating clearly the scope of our work with individuals and groups. Amnesty International champions and continues to champion Moazzam Begg’s rights as a former detainee at Guantánamo. He speaks about his own views and experiences, not Amnesty International’s. And Moazzam Begg has never used a platform he shared with Amnesty to speak against the rights of others.

Amnesty International has a long history of demanding justice – in the case of our Counter Terror with Justice Campaign we called for both an end to human rights abuses at Guantánamo and other locations, and called for those detained there to be brought to justice, in fair trials that respected due process.

However, our work for justice and human rights spans a far wider range of issues than counter-terrorism and security. Amnesty International has done considerable research on the Taleban and campaigns to stop violence against women and to promote women’s equality. We continue to take a strong line against abuses by religiously-based insurgent groups and/or governments imposing religious strictures, Islamic or otherwise, in violation of human rights law. Sometimes the people whose rights we defend may not share each others views – but they all have human rights, and all human rights are worth defending.

Amnesty International on its work with Moazzam Begg and Cageprisoners
This story is a non-issue, except for the fact that any chance to discredit and smear Amnesty International is being exploited by Israeli war criminals and their apologists.

So yes my previous posts are on topic which is smearing Amnesty International's reputation.
 

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Face it you hate Jews -
...You are inclined to believe in a Jewish Controlled Media...-

That's it? That's all you have? That statement could also be interpreted as admiration.


You obviously believe that anti criticism of Israel is criticism of Judasim, when Israel is country and Judaism is a religion. They aren't the same thing. Not even close.

Justice Goldstone by the way is Jewish and I admire his courage to lead a team of investigators to find out objectively what's been going on in Gaza lately and print the truth. For his efforts, people like you have attempted to smear him as a self-hating Jew.

No doubt this conflict has an element of religion in it. But I could care less about people's religions. I care about human rights and my country. As far as I know, this is the only war where my country supports war crimes and crimes against humanity.

All Canadians who believe in human rights should have a problem with the Harper government's unshakable support of war criminals.
 
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"Much has been written about the 575-page*anti-Israel polemic known as the Goldstone Report (formally known as the report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict), which charges that Israel intentionally targeted Palestinian civilians and likely committed "crimes against humanity.""

CAMERA: The Goldstone Report: A Study in Duplicity

CAMERA? You may as well reference AIPAC.

The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) is a Boston-based, 501(c)(3) nonprofit, pro-Israel[2] media watchdog group.[3] The group says it was founded in 1982 "to respond to the Washington Post's coverage of Israel’s Lebanon incursion, and to the paper’s general anti-Israel bias".[4]

CAMERA is known for its pro-Israel media monitoring and advocacy.[5][6][7][8] CAMERA releases reports to counter what it calls "frequently inaccurate and skewed characterizations of Israel and of events in the Middle East" that it believes may fuel anti-Israel and anti-Jewish prejudice.[3] The group mobilizes protests against what it describes as unfair media coverage by issuing full-page ads in newspapers,[9] organizing demonstrations,[10] and encouraging sponsors to withhold funds.[10] CAMERA has about 55,000 paying members[11] and claims 46 news outlets have issued corrections based on their work.[12]

CAMERA has attracted both critics and supporters. Gershom Gorenberg, an American-born Israeli senior correspondent for The American Prospect, has written that CAMERA is "Orwellian-named"[13] and that "like others engaged in the narrative wars, it does not understand the difference between advocacy and accuracy".[14] Other critics have described CAMERA as a special interest group[15] fighting for a pro-Israeli bias.[16][17] On the other hand, Richard Landes, an Associate Professor at Boston University, said "their work is that they are careful both to reason and cite sources scrupulously" and that those who dismiss their work "rely on a dismissal that is at least as partisan as that with which it charges others."[18]

In May 2008, five Wikipedia editors involved in a secret CAMERA campaign to edit Wikipedia were prohibited by Wikipedia administrators, who wrote that the project's open nature "is fundamentally incompatible with the creation of a private group to surreptitiously coordinate editing by ideologically like-minded individuals".[19]

Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But its still going on and wikipedia is fighting a running battle with this organization.