AIG Rec'd $170 billion in Bailout /Giving$165 million in bonuses

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White House will try to block AIG bonuses: Obama

I'm amazed at the audacity of this company. The management of this company needs a giant overhaul.

WASHINGTON — U.S. President Barack Obama on Monday said the White House is exploring "every legal avenue" to block $165 million U.S. in bonuses to employees at American International Group, the giant Wall Street insurer at the heart of the nation's financial crisis.

Amid a growing public backlash toward AIG — which has received $170 billion U.S. in federal bailout funds — Obama said the lavish compensation payments are an insult to American taxpayers increasingly struggling with financial hardships of their own.

"This is a corporation that finds itself in financial distress due to recklessness and greed," Obama told a group of small business owners at the White House.

"Under these circumstances, it's hard to understand how derivative traders at AIG warranted any bonuses, much less $165 million in extra pay. How do they justify this outrage to the taxpayers who are keeping the company afloat?"

Obama's remarks were his first since revelations over the weekend that AIG planned to proceed with bonus payments — ranging from $1,000 to $6.5 million — to about 400 employees in its financial products unit. That's the division of the company that brought the firm — and the entire U.S. financial industry — to the edge of collapse last September with huge losses on risky financial derivative products such as credit-default swaps.

AIG has been the biggest federal bailout recipient, and reported a $61.7-billion loss in the fourth quarter of 2008, the largest shortfall in U.S. corporate history.

AIG chief executive Edward Liddy has defended the bonus payments as necessary to "retain the best and the brightest talent" from leaving the company.

But with the bonus payments threatening to derail support for Obama's economic recovery agenda, the president said the interests of U.S. taxpayers — who now own almost 80 per cent of AIG — must come first.

The president said he has instructed Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to "pursue every legal avenue to block these bonuses and make the American taxpayers whole."

Geithner initially had told AIG the bonuses were unacceptable, and pressured Liddy to slash payments to the top 50 AIG executives by half.

He ultimately concluded, however, that the Obama administration could do little to stop all bonuses, because the firm was under contract with its employees to make the payments.

Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, said one option under consideration is to require repayment of the bonuses as part of a recently-announced agreement to provide AIG with another $30 billion in loans.

Separately, New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo threatened to subpoena AIG executives unless they provided the names, titles and salaries of employees receiving the payments.

"Taxpayers of this country are now supporting AIG, and they deserve, at the very least, to know how their money is being spent," Cuomo wrote.

The AIG bonus controversy holds huge political risks for Obama, who may need to seek approval from Congress for adding funds to bail out Wall Street firms before the financial crisis is over.

With Americans already angry over myriad earlier controversies involving Wall Street excesses, the White House may find it immeasurably more difficult to convince lawmakers to proceed with even more assistance to the financial industry.

Obama said it's time for Wall Street to demonstrate it understands the depths of the U.S. recession, and its own responsibility to sacrifice alongside ordinary Americans.

"This isn't just a matter of dollars and cents. It's about our fundamental values," he said.

"All across the country, there are people who work hard and meet their responsibilities every day, without the benefit of government bailouts or multimillion-dollar bonuses. And all they ask is that everyone, from Main Street to Wall Street to Washington, play by the same rules. That is an ethic we must demand."

Almost from the day Obama was sworn in as president, the White House has clashed with Wall Street over how to stabilize the U.S. financial industry.

In February, Obama imposed a $500,000 cap on salaries for executives at financial firms receiving money from the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) — a move Wall Street said would drive off talented managers.

At times, Wall Street has seemed almost oblivious to public sentiment.

AIG, for example, sent executives on a $440,000 California spa retreat, and an $86,000 partridge-hunting expedition in England last fall at the same time the company was receiving federal loans.

The White House also expressed growing frustration Monday that leading U.S. banks have done little to unfreeze credit markets, despite the approval of the $700-billion TARP plan.

On Monday, Obama and Geithner announced plans to force the nation's top 21 to report each month on how much money they've lent to small businesses. All remaining banks will be required to make quarterly reports on small-business loans.

"When banks individually pull back, out of a sense of prudence and caution, the collective impact of those actions will make the economy weaker," Geithner said.

"Many banks in this country took too much risk, but the risk, now, to the economy, is that you will take too little risk."

Democratic leaders in Congress, meanwhile, called for heads to roll at AIG over the bonus controversy.

"These people may have a right to their bonuses — they don't have a right to their jobs forever," Representative Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said on NBC's Today Show.

Frank said the bonuses "reward incompetence," and "maybe it's time to fire some people," instead of paying them more.

"Forget about the legal matter here, for a second," Frank said. "These bonuses are going to people who screwed this thing up enormously, who made terrible decisions."

AIG revealed on the weekend it spent more than $75 billion of U.S. taxpayers' money to pay bills it owed to dozens of American and foreign banks, among them, the Bank of Montreal.
 

mit

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Like Mr Dingwall stated " They are entitled to their entitlements" - It is cheaper to pay them and then fire them then it is to deny their entitlements and have a lawsuit initiated
 

JLM

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Good for Obama- it's criminal. While he's at it he should pass a new law, that any corporate bonuses MUST be a percentage of profits (and a fairly low percentage as these guys get PAID for what they do.
 

Ron in Regina

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AIG Rec'd $170 billion in Bailout /Giving$165 million in bonuses

Like Mr Dingwall stated " They are entitled to their entitlements" - It is cheaper to pay them and then fire them then it is to deny their entitlements and have a lawsuit initiated


Following that logic, they've already been paid so....now it's time
for them to go, very publicly with the knowledge that anyone who
accepted this $$$ from AIG and got released and is hired by any
other company....that company is automatically excluded from
any tax payer bail-out program. That'll bring forth some accountability.
 

mit

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Good for Obama- it's criminal. While he's at it he should pass a new law, that any corporate bonuses MUST be a percentage of profits (and a fairly low percentage as these guys get PAID for what they do.

JLM - Tying performance to profits is better than share prices but Madoff's firm was deemed profitable until the house of cards blew down. paying out bonuses in stock may be an option more palatable but all forms of bonuses are subject to abuse.
 

mit

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Following that logic, they've already been paid so....now it's time
for them to go, very publicly with the knowledge that anyone who
accepted this $$$ from AIG and got released and is hired by any
other company....that company is automatically excluded from
any tax payer bail-out program. That'll bring forth some accountability.

R in R - There are some pretty sweet golden handshake packages out there - In the Canadian Federal Government all senior civil servants are entitled to 2 years salary as a severance regardless of whether they quit, retire or are fired. Many CEO's - CFO's etc. have similar deals as they are wooed by companies. If you are a senior manager in any company and in your 50's or more it is highly likely a minimum of one years salary but more likely 18-24 months even without a golden handshake agreement is plausible with the right lawyers letterhead addressed to the company that just turfed you (Unless you were charged by the police for theft - highly unlikely as companies do not like the publicity) We are frigged and the big wigs know it!
 

Socrates the Greek

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All these scum bags WHO HAVE cause these financial crisis around the world today, they should all be rounded up and thrown in jail with out a chance to appeal. They are the financial vampires of the world. Greedy over grown RATS THAT EAT WITH 100 MOUTHS.

AIG WAS GIVEN MONEY BY BUSH TO STAY IN BUSINESS AND KEEP 1000S OF PEOPLE EMPLOYED, INSTEAD $160 MILLION US WILL GO TO SCUM SH!T WHO’S MAIN AGENDA OF THE DAY TO F SOME ONE, AND THINK THAT THEY ARE BETTER THE REST.
 

mit

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Seems these darlings of wall street are being demonized by the same people who switched out their mutual funds or traded stocks that didn't get a return of more than 10% - The increased equity in their houses had more to do with the reduced supply of houses brought on by those subprime mortgages than any derivative trader. Lifes not fair - Crap happens - payday is on Thursday
 

Socrates the Greek

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Following that logic, they've already been paid so....now it's time
for them to go, very publicly with the knowledge that anyone who
accepted this $$$ from AIG and got released and is hired by any
other company....that company is automatically excluded from
any tax payer bail-out program. That'll bring forth some accountability.


Good day Ronny, right you are they did get paid, and offered a dismal service in return.
Just imagine when there is no accountability anything goes.
What is astonishing here is that these highly paid executives were not told if you screw up these are the consequence.

But many insurance companies have made insane money by Fu cking their clients when their clients need to put in a claim,

so... to begin with, right from the core we see institutions who are in it, not to provide a service and get rewarded for it, but rather to make the most money ever while the average person (tax payer) will take a huge hit bailing out scum bugs.

Have a good one Ron.
 

lone wolf

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Seems these darlings of wall street are being demonized by the same people who switched out their mutual funds or traded stocks that didn't get a return of more than 10% - The increased equity in their houses had more to do with the reduced supply of houses brought on by those subprime mortgages than any derivative trader. Lifes not fair - Crap happens - payday is on Thursday

Oh don't overestimate the demonization process. They're being referred to as crooks by the very riff-raff they've lorded over too.

Shame on the thieving bas*ards....
 

Kreskin

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These reports never identify the recipients of these bonuses and under what circumstances they were paid.
 

taxslave

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Interestingly, Bush's stimulus law authorized the bonus payments but Republicans today are blaming Obama for it.
Thats because they are still in denial. SOme of them even think that junior was one of the best presidents ever. I think these are also the shareholders of Haliburton. Besides to a republican a lie is even better that the truth if you can get someone to believe it.
 

Socrates the Greek

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Interestingly, Bush's stimulus law authorized the bonus payments but Republicans today are blaming Obama for it.

Typical of the right wing it is everyone else’s fault when in fact it is their mess THE REPUBLICAN WILL WEAR THAT ECONOMIC DESTRUCTION IN AMERICA FOR CENTURIES TO COME,
a bunch a righteous fools.
 

grumpydigger

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These heartless fools believe they deserve massive rewards , because of their great job of completely destroying the company's they work for............. it takes many university degrees and years of experience to be that arrogant and stupid..........the rise and fall of the US empire...........
 

Kreskin

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Can someone clarify what positions in the company received the bonues?
 

JLM

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"Seems these darlings of wall street are being demonized by the same people who switched out their mutual funds or traded stocks that didn't get a return of more than 10% "- You've lost naive old me, but is there anything wrong with selling something you have bought and paid for?
 

normbc9

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AIG owns about half of those serving in Congress right now. If a censure vote us taken they better hope for their sake they own the half who could defeat that motion. AIG claims this was all covered by previous contracts before they sought taxpayers money. I'd like to remind their top managers that they can go to hell for lying just like they can for stealing. JERKS!!