So GAU 8's can vapourize aircraft?
That's what was left of the Lockerbie bombing. That's a lot of airplane.
After 9-11: Can the West Defeat Radical Islam?
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Know what?
I already said it wasn't David Copperfield. He would have made 100% of the plane disappear.
I didn't know 90% of the plane was missing.
Until you made it up.
So you think GAU 8's vapourize tanks?
Is to light for what?
Things I didn't know, until you made them up...
GAU 8's fly by themselves.
They vapourize tanks and aircraft.
That 90% of the plane is missing.
That it fell into a mine shaft, in a reclaimed strip mine.
Things I did know...
GAU 8's are exclusively used on A 10 Warthogs/Thunderbolts. Out of the dozen of witnesses, no one has claimed to have seen one, let alone the several it would take to shred a plane in the air. A plane that would have been so shredded, it couldn't possibly have made a hole that size and shape.
They aren't ray guns and can't vapourize anything. No matter how violent a GAU 8 is, it can not make metal vapourize.
95% of the plane was recovered, and returned to United, minus the Flight Recorders.
Strip mines don't usually have shafts.
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Yes indeed it is. You need an airplane to have an airplane crash but a whole one just not 90% of one. Where is it? You asked if I knew anything about HSM and indeed I do. They work great on airlines when the transponder is off which designates friend or foe. Were they friends that day or were they foe?
What other options are there Bore? Make you list of how 90% of an airplane vanishes and we'll talk more.
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Oh so you do agree 90% of the plane was found.
So if they found 90% of one, what's your problem again?
What happened to the GAU 8?
So an HSM brought flight 93 down?
A bore was used now?
Geeze, you're all over the place.
What kind of bore? ITH or Raise?
To my mind, a midair explosion would be a completely different outcome than crashing nose-down into the ground. You would expect a mid-air explosion to spread debris far and wide, in big chunks, since the air provides little resistance to the force of the explosion.
But I'm no expert, and I'm not sure if we have a lot of experience with aircraft driven directly into the ground.
But I'm no expert, and I'm not sure if we have a lot of experience with aircraft driven directly into the ground.
petros' typical dance moves when he's to afraid to clearly and specifically post his theories. For fear of looking silly.
Yet again.
N385EM Citation 650 fatal nose dive from FLL330...photo... : Aviation News
Sure we can, we get our armies out of their and overtime when modern ideas spread throughtout the middle east, the majority of muslims will realize that the extremists are nut cases and they will wipe them out themselves. Its happened before and would have happened a second time had the colonial powers not interfered.
Mohammad Ali Pasha of Eygpt and his son destroyed the heart of the Wahabi when it first reared its ugly head. He did it on behalf of the Ottoman Empire who were the leaders of the Arabian penninsula at the time. The movement didnt resurface for hundreds of years later....
The british had a hand to play in the expansion of Extremist Islam, they allowed Ibn Saud the take over much of the Arabian Penninsula, before the Americans found oil there. They turned a blind eye to Ibn Saud while he conquered his Ottoman rival.... This is how the wahabi state we hate so much was formed... And they created the state of Israel in Palastine without the approval of 3/4's of the population, and by not incuding palastine of the time in the organization or planning of the soon to be Israel...
Time will defeat the extremists, let the muslims live in thier own countries free of foriegn occupation and the governments will destroy the elements of extremism. The spread of modern thinking in the arab world is our best weapon.
Mohammad Ali Pasha of Eygpt and his son destroyed the heart of the Wahabi when it first reared its ugly head. He did it on behalf of the Ottoman Empire who were the leaders of the Arabian penninsula at the time. The movement didnt resurface for hundreds of years later....
The british had a hand to play in the expansion of Extremist Islam, they allowed Ibn Saud the take over much of the Arabian Penninsula, before the Americans found oil there. They turned a blind eye to Ibn Saud while he conquered his Ottoman rival.... This is how the wahabi state we hate so much was formed... And they created the state of Israel in Palastine without the approval of 3/4's of the population, and by not incuding palastine of the time in the organization or planning of the soon to be Israel...
Time will defeat the extremists, let the muslims live in thier own countries free of foriegn occupation and the governments will destroy the elements of extremism. The spread of modern thinking in the arab world is our best weapon.
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I think it's funny too that Al Qaeda had to watch the successful tactics which brought down the Egyptian government. Al Qaeda's new leader had tried to overthrow the Egyptian government for years with his violent Jihadist tactics, and in 18 days of protest, the government was overthrown.
It's not just the West that will defeat radical Islam. If we want to though, we need to forge better relationships, and change our approach. Continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results is one definition for insanity.
It's not just the West that will defeat radical Islam. If we want to though, we need to forge better relationships, and change our approach. Continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results is one definition for insanity.
It seems they and the American leaders didnt read their history lol....
Also too it seems their extremists fighting style hasnt changed since the days they fought against the Ottoman Empire for freedom. Muhammad Ali's son was able to defeat the wahabis the first time with a army based on European ideas and customs. He raised an army from the population, lead by french trained officers and crushed the desert raiders. This is an example of outside ideas influencing arab world
9/11 Debate: Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics pt. 1 - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d0XEHahJ2Q&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Fm3Zc7D8I&NR=1
9/11 Debate: Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics pt. 4 - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEg6XEP-Cig&NR=1
At 5:30 in part 5, the most important thing is said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d0XEHahJ2Q&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Fm3Zc7D8I&NR=1
9/11 Debate: Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics pt. 4 - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEg6XEP-Cig&NR=1
At 5:30 in part 5, the most important thing is said.
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Moral Equivalence | Augean Stables
"The “we are just as bad as… or worse than them” mentality
A pervasive argument appearing in the post-colonial paradigm is that of “Moral Equivalence.” In the case of Islamic terrorism the dynamics of moral equivalence can be seen among some figures of the western intelligentsia in their vociferous moral indignation at the behavior of Western nations that, they allege, led to acts of terror, and their understanding attitude towards the terrorist acts themselves (HRC). Even if they do not intentionally excuse terrorism, such writers produce the unhappy consequence of explaining Islamic terrorism in terms of “Western misdeeds and faults,” and of framing the debate in terms of “what the West did to deserve such attacks” and, therefore, reverse the moral equation. The West’s “wrongs” come to be seen as more reprehensible than the “reaction” (however “harsh” and “inexcusable”) by terrorists. The easy moral challenge is: “Are we not hypocrites, when we do the same thing?” "
"The “we are just as bad as… or worse than them” mentality
A pervasive argument appearing in the post-colonial paradigm is that of “Moral Equivalence.” In the case of Islamic terrorism the dynamics of moral equivalence can be seen among some figures of the western intelligentsia in their vociferous moral indignation at the behavior of Western nations that, they allege, led to acts of terror, and their understanding attitude towards the terrorist acts themselves (HRC). Even if they do not intentionally excuse terrorism, such writers produce the unhappy consequence of explaining Islamic terrorism in terms of “Western misdeeds and faults,” and of framing the debate in terms of “what the West did to deserve such attacks” and, therefore, reverse the moral equation. The West’s “wrongs” come to be seen as more reprehensible than the “reaction” (however “harsh” and “inexcusable”) by terrorists. The easy moral challenge is: “Are we not hypocrites, when we do the same thing?” "
Exactly !! Or at least handle it with a degree of perspective and dignity. Time to tone it down. But sadly , that is not the "american way" .........particularly when all other news (ecomony in particular) is so grim. As if sensationalizing the event is going to distract the folks that are unemployed, unable to find jobs , .
time for a major reality check......but not likely to happen, Playing and dramatizing the victim role is an abuse of those that did die that day. Sadly, "quiet dignity" is not in the Media's vocabulary.
( Avoiding every tv channel that even mentions the event or the "anniversary". Enough is enough. Would think that those that died that day .......would say enough already. Get on with getting your lives and the nation on some semblance of sanity. )
exellent post. And of course we are hypocrits , when we do what we condemn others for. as if we are somehow "exceptional" We are NOT. It is that kind of attitude that is contributing to the fall of the empire now. The delusion of being exceptional to others and therefore granting themselves liberties that are immoral, unethical, unreasonable , and inhumane. (and acting on them.
I'd say commercial venture for tenth-anniversary television - if the History Channel wasn't hawking commercial-free....