Abortion
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Re: RE: Abortion
Yeah, but animals do all sorts of weird things. When I start seeing a woman, I don't want to have to kill and eat the children she had with her previous partner. Dinner dates are difficult enough with out that.
tibear, I don't know what else to say about my point. I think abortion is a neccessary evil. Why is it an "evil"? Because it's an invasive medical procedure with emotional implications to the patient. I acknowledge little "humanity" in that blob of cells, in fact I consider abortion to be "murder" only in the same sense that it's murder when I jerk off, or have a biopsy. However, for a lot of women having an abortion is a difficult experience, therefore it's not something I would wish on anyone. But I DO believe it's less difficult than being forced, by coercion of the state, to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. Therefore I believe we are minimizing harm by allowing abortion. If you don't accept my view on the humanity of the fetus then we'll never agree.
Twila said:
Yeah, but animals do all sorts of weird things. When I start seeing a woman, I don't want to have to kill and eat the children she had with her previous partner. Dinner dates are difficult enough with out that.
tibear, I don't know what else to say about my point. I think abortion is a neccessary evil. Why is it an "evil"? Because it's an invasive medical procedure with emotional implications to the patient. I acknowledge little "humanity" in that blob of cells, in fact I consider abortion to be "murder" only in the same sense that it's murder when I jerk off, or have a biopsy. However, for a lot of women having an abortion is a difficult experience, therefore it's not something I would wish on anyone. But I DO believe it's less difficult than being forced, by coercion of the state, to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. Therefore I believe we are minimizing harm by allowing abortion. If you don't accept my view on the humanity of the fetus then we'll never agree.
Re: RE: Abortion
Yeah, but animals do all sorts of weird things. When I start seeing a woman, I don't want to have to kill and eat the children she had with her previous partner. Dinner dates are difficult enough with out that.
tibear, I don't know what else to say about my point. I think abortion is a neccessary evil. Why is it an "evil"? Because it's an invasive medical procedure with emotional implications to the patient. I acknowledge little "humanity" in that blob of cells, in fact I consider abortion to be "murder" only in the same sense that it's murder when I jerk off, or have a biopsy. However, for a lot of women having an abortion is a difficult experience, therefore it's not something I would wish on anyone. But I DO believe it's less difficult than being forced, by coercion of the state, to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. Therefore I believe we are minimizing harm by allowing abortion. If you don't accept my view on the humanity of the fetus then we'll never agree.
Twila said:
Yeah, but animals do all sorts of weird things. When I start seeing a woman, I don't want to have to kill and eat the children she had with her previous partner. Dinner dates are difficult enough with out that.
tibear, I don't know what else to say about my point. I think abortion is a neccessary evil. Why is it an "evil"? Because it's an invasive medical procedure with emotional implications to the patient. I acknowledge little "humanity" in that blob of cells, in fact I consider abortion to be "murder" only in the same sense that it's murder when I jerk off, or have a biopsy. However, for a lot of women having an abortion is a difficult experience, therefore it's not something I would wish on anyone. But I DO believe it's less difficult than being forced, by coercion of the state, to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. Therefore I believe we are minimizing harm by allowing abortion. If you don't accept my view on the humanity of the fetus then we'll never agree.
Re: RE: Abortion
Yeah, but animals do all sorts of weird things. When I start seeing a woman, I don't want to have to kill and eat the children she had with her previous partner. Dinner dates are difficult enough with out that.
tibear, I don't know what else to say about my point. I think abortion is a neccessary evil. Why is it an "evil"? Because it's an invasive medical procedure with emotional implications to the patient. I acknowledge little "humanity" in that blob of cells, in fact I consider abortion to be "murder" only in the same sense that it's murder when I jerk off, or have a biopsy. However, for a lot of women having an abortion is a difficult experience, therefore it's not something I would wish on anyone. But I DO believe it's less difficult than being forced, by coercion of the state, to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. Therefore I believe we are minimizing harm by allowing abortion. If you don't accept my view on the humanity of the fetus then we'll never agree.
Twila said:
Yeah, but animals do all sorts of weird things. When I start seeing a woman, I don't want to have to kill and eat the children she had with her previous partner. Dinner dates are difficult enough with out that.
tibear, I don't know what else to say about my point. I think abortion is a neccessary evil. Why is it an "evil"? Because it's an invasive medical procedure with emotional implications to the patient. I acknowledge little "humanity" in that blob of cells, in fact I consider abortion to be "murder" only in the same sense that it's murder when I jerk off, or have a biopsy. However, for a lot of women having an abortion is a difficult experience, therefore it's not something I would wish on anyone. But I DO believe it's less difficult than being forced, by coercion of the state, to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. Therefore I believe we are minimizing harm by allowing abortion. If you don't accept my view on the humanity of the fetus then we'll never agree.
Should women who have been raped be forced to raise that child? The number of reported rapes are extremely high. And thats just reported! If you're so against abortion, should we raise taxes to cover mothers allowance and the cost of day care so these women can go to school and work? These "moral" people who are pro choice arent out there adopting babies or realy doing anything to help these unwanted children. As soon as it comes to money it's a different story.
And enough with the "if we legalize abortion should we legalize murder, crack cocaine, and kiddy porn". That conservative argument doesn't hold up. It's just a fear tactic when you have no real argument.
And enough with the "if we legalize abortion should we legalize murder, crack cocaine, and kiddy porn". That conservative argument doesn't hold up. It's just a fear tactic when you have no real argument.
Should women who have been raped be forced to raise that child? The number of reported rapes are extremely high. And thats just reported! If you're so against abortion, should we raise taxes to cover mothers allowance and the cost of day care so these women can go to school and work? These "moral" people who are pro choice arent out there adopting babies or realy doing anything to help these unwanted children. As soon as it comes to money it's a different story.
And enough with the "if we legalize abortion should we legalize murder, crack cocaine, and kiddy porn". That conservative argument doesn't hold up. It's just a fear tactic when you have no real argument.
And enough with the "if we legalize abortion should we legalize murder, crack cocaine, and kiddy porn". That conservative argument doesn't hold up. It's just a fear tactic when you have no real argument.
Should women who have been raped be forced to raise that child? The number of reported rapes are extremely high. And thats just reported! If you're so against abortion, should we raise taxes to cover mothers allowance and the cost of day care so these women can go to school and work? These "moral" people who are pro choice arent out there adopting babies or realy doing anything to help these unwanted children. As soon as it comes to money it's a different story.
And enough with the "if we legalize abortion should we legalize murder, crack cocaine, and kiddy porn". That conservative argument doesn't hold up. It's just a fear tactic when you have no real argument.
And enough with the "if we legalize abortion should we legalize murder, crack cocaine, and kiddy porn". That conservative argument doesn't hold up. It's just a fear tactic when you have no real argument.
Twila,
I've seen the health curriculum used in our schools and it is in grade 5 when they learn about children and birth control.
Jay,
You make it sound as if thousands of women died every year as a result of botched abortions. I'm still waiting for numbers. If anything, from what I've read, it appears that more women are dying today as a result of abortions because very rarely did late pregnancy abortions take place. However today it is becoming more and more common but the risks are much higher and deadlier. So in fact, if abortion was illegal we may save MORE lives of young women that our current situation.
However, after saying that, you and I do have a very similar view. We need to support expectant mothers in any way possible so that we don't force these women to make a decision which some of them will agonize over for the rest of their lives.
Peapod,
I'm a normal everyday person just like you, no silver spoon here.
I just believe that everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions and killing an innocent child can't possibly be a "good" solution.
I've seen the health curriculum used in our schools and it is in grade 5 when they learn about children and birth control.
Jay,
You make it sound as if thousands of women died every year as a result of botched abortions. I'm still waiting for numbers. If anything, from what I've read, it appears that more women are dying today as a result of abortions because very rarely did late pregnancy abortions take place. However today it is becoming more and more common but the risks are much higher and deadlier. So in fact, if abortion was illegal we may save MORE lives of young women that our current situation.
However, after saying that, you and I do have a very similar view. We need to support expectant mothers in any way possible so that we don't force these women to make a decision which some of them will agonize over for the rest of their lives.
Peapod,
I'm a normal everyday person just like you, no silver spoon here.
I just believe that everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions and killing an innocent child can't possibly be a "good" solution.
Twila,
I've seen the health curriculum used in our schools and it is in grade 5 when they learn about children and birth control.
Jay,
You make it sound as if thousands of women died every year as a result of botched abortions. I'm still waiting for numbers. If anything, from what I've read, it appears that more women are dying today as a result of abortions because very rarely did late pregnancy abortions take place. However today it is becoming more and more common but the risks are much higher and deadlier. So in fact, if abortion was illegal we may save MORE lives of young women that our current situation.
However, after saying that, you and I do have a very similar view. We need to support expectant mothers in any way possible so that we don't force these women to make a decision which some of them will agonize over for the rest of their lives.
Peapod,
I'm a normal everyday person just like you, no silver spoon here.
I just believe that everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions and killing an innocent child can't possibly be a "good" solution.
I've seen the health curriculum used in our schools and it is in grade 5 when they learn about children and birth control.
Jay,
You make it sound as if thousands of women died every year as a result of botched abortions. I'm still waiting for numbers. If anything, from what I've read, it appears that more women are dying today as a result of abortions because very rarely did late pregnancy abortions take place. However today it is becoming more and more common but the risks are much higher and deadlier. So in fact, if abortion was illegal we may save MORE lives of young women that our current situation.
However, after saying that, you and I do have a very similar view. We need to support expectant mothers in any way possible so that we don't force these women to make a decision which some of them will agonize over for the rest of their lives.
Peapod,
I'm a normal everyday person just like you, no silver spoon here.
I just believe that everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions and killing an innocent child can't possibly be a "good" solution.
Twila,
I've seen the health curriculum used in our schools and it is in grade 5 when they learn about children and birth control.
Jay,
You make it sound as if thousands of women died every year as a result of botched abortions. I'm still waiting for numbers. If anything, from what I've read, it appears that more women are dying today as a result of abortions because very rarely did late pregnancy abortions take place. However today it is becoming more and more common but the risks are much higher and deadlier. So in fact, if abortion was illegal we may save MORE lives of young women that our current situation.
However, after saying that, you and I do have a very similar view. We need to support expectant mothers in any way possible so that we don't force these women to make a decision which some of them will agonize over for the rest of their lives.
Peapod,
I'm a normal everyday person just like you, no silver spoon here.
I just believe that everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions and killing an innocent child can't possibly be a "good" solution.
I've seen the health curriculum used in our schools and it is in grade 5 when they learn about children and birth control.
Jay,
You make it sound as if thousands of women died every year as a result of botched abortions. I'm still waiting for numbers. If anything, from what I've read, it appears that more women are dying today as a result of abortions because very rarely did late pregnancy abortions take place. However today it is becoming more and more common but the risks are much higher and deadlier. So in fact, if abortion was illegal we may save MORE lives of young women that our current situation.
However, after saying that, you and I do have a very similar view. We need to support expectant mothers in any way possible so that we don't force these women to make a decision which some of them will agonize over for the rest of their lives.
Peapod,
I'm a normal everyday person just like you, no silver spoon here.
I just believe that everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions and killing an innocent child can't possibly be a "good" solution.
Gonzo,
We've already said that the vast minority of women who get abortions are those of rape.
I would definately be in favour of raising taxes to support these woman during their pregnancies. I respectfully disagree with your assertion that "pro-life" people aren't ready to adopt. Have you seen the length of the adoption list in your city of people waiting to adopt babies??? As well, pretty much every "home" for unwed mothers is run by some religious organization, I guess you don't see this as supporting these young women.
Others "pro-choice" proponents have used the slippery slope arguement to defend abortion, so I'm confused is it alright to use slippery slope arguements in this debate or not???
We've already said that the vast minority of women who get abortions are those of rape.
I would definately be in favour of raising taxes to support these woman during their pregnancies. I respectfully disagree with your assertion that "pro-life" people aren't ready to adopt. Have you seen the length of the adoption list in your city of people waiting to adopt babies??? As well, pretty much every "home" for unwed mothers is run by some religious organization, I guess you don't see this as supporting these young women.
Others "pro-choice" proponents have used the slippery slope arguement to defend abortion, so I'm confused is it alright to use slippery slope arguements in this debate or not???
Gonzo,
We've already said that the vast minority of women who get abortions are those of rape.
I would definately be in favour of raising taxes to support these woman during their pregnancies. I respectfully disagree with your assertion that "pro-life" people aren't ready to adopt. Have you seen the length of the adoption list in your city of people waiting to adopt babies??? As well, pretty much every "home" for unwed mothers is run by some religious organization, I guess you don't see this as supporting these young women.
Others "pro-choice" proponents have used the slippery slope arguement to defend abortion, so I'm confused is it alright to use slippery slope arguements in this debate or not???
We've already said that the vast minority of women who get abortions are those of rape.
I would definately be in favour of raising taxes to support these woman during their pregnancies. I respectfully disagree with your assertion that "pro-life" people aren't ready to adopt. Have you seen the length of the adoption list in your city of people waiting to adopt babies??? As well, pretty much every "home" for unwed mothers is run by some religious organization, I guess you don't see this as supporting these young women.
Others "pro-choice" proponents have used the slippery slope arguement to defend abortion, so I'm confused is it alright to use slippery slope arguements in this debate or not???
Gonzo,
We've already said that the vast minority of women who get abortions are those of rape.
I would definately be in favour of raising taxes to support these woman during their pregnancies. I respectfully disagree with your assertion that "pro-life" people aren't ready to adopt. Have you seen the length of the adoption list in your city of people waiting to adopt babies??? As well, pretty much every "home" for unwed mothers is run by some religious organization, I guess you don't see this as supporting these young women.
Others "pro-choice" proponents have used the slippery slope arguement to defend abortion, so I'm confused is it alright to use slippery slope arguements in this debate or not???
We've already said that the vast minority of women who get abortions are those of rape.
I would definately be in favour of raising taxes to support these woman during their pregnancies. I respectfully disagree with your assertion that "pro-life" people aren't ready to adopt. Have you seen the length of the adoption list in your city of people waiting to adopt babies??? As well, pretty much every "home" for unwed mothers is run by some religious organization, I guess you don't see this as supporting these young women.
Others "pro-choice" proponents have used the slippery slope arguement to defend abortion, so I'm confused is it alright to use slippery slope arguements in this debate or not???
I'm a normal everyday person just like you, no silver spoon here.
Maybe so....but one who does not seem to be able to factor the human condition or the circumstances which bring people to a crisis in their life. Your about judgement not finding solutions to anything.
Your remark about the crack house, when in fact if crack is not going to go away...and all the law enforcement and deterents don't work...and they don't!! than why not have legal crack houses where these people can die with dignity instead of in alleys?
The same with herion, if a group of people are not going to give of the drug, than why provide safe herion for them. There was a village in england that tried this. It was plagued with herion addicts which in turn brought in crime. When the addicts were given their herion from a druggist, which was not stepped on...alot of these people actually found employment and lived far more productive lives than if they had been left to the streets. Old ideas about drugs do not work...and they never will. New solutions should be tried.
Maybe so....but one who does not seem to be able to factor the human condition or the circumstances which bring people to a crisis in their life. Your about judgement not finding solutions to anything.
Your remark about the crack house, when in fact if crack is not going to go away...and all the law enforcement and deterents don't work...and they don't!! than why not have legal crack houses where these people can die with dignity instead of in alleys?
The same with herion, if a group of people are not going to give of the drug, than why provide safe herion for them. There was a village in england that tried this. It was plagued with herion addicts which in turn brought in crime. When the addicts were given their herion from a druggist, which was not stepped on...alot of these people actually found employment and lived far more productive lives than if they had been left to the streets. Old ideas about drugs do not work...and they never will. New solutions should be tried.
I'm a normal everyday person just like you, no silver spoon here.
Maybe so....but one who does not seem to be able to factor the human condition or the circumstances which bring people to a crisis in their life. Your about judgement not finding solutions to anything.
Your remark about the crack house, when in fact if crack is not going to go away...and all the law enforcement and deterents don't work...and they don't!! than why not have legal crack houses where these people can die with dignity instead of in alleys?
The same with herion, if a group of people are not going to give of the drug, than why provide safe herion for them. There was a village in england that tried this. It was plagued with herion addicts which in turn brought in crime. When the addicts were given their herion from a druggist, which was not stepped on...alot of these people actually found employment and lived far more productive lives than if they had been left to the streets. Old ideas about drugs do not work...and they never will. New solutions should be tried.
Maybe so....but one who does not seem to be able to factor the human condition or the circumstances which bring people to a crisis in their life. Your about judgement not finding solutions to anything.
Your remark about the crack house, when in fact if crack is not going to go away...and all the law enforcement and deterents don't work...and they don't!! than why not have legal crack houses where these people can die with dignity instead of in alleys?
The same with herion, if a group of people are not going to give of the drug, than why provide safe herion for them. There was a village in england that tried this. It was plagued with herion addicts which in turn brought in crime. When the addicts were given their herion from a druggist, which was not stepped on...alot of these people actually found employment and lived far more productive lives than if they had been left to the streets. Old ideas about drugs do not work...and they never will. New solutions should be tried.
I'm a normal everyday person just like you, no silver spoon here.
Maybe so....but one who does not seem to be able to factor the human condition or the circumstances which bring people to a crisis in their life. Your about judgement not finding solutions to anything.
Your remark about the crack house, when in fact if crack is not going to go away...and all the law enforcement and deterents don't work...and they don't!! than why not have legal crack houses where these people can die with dignity instead of in alleys?
The same with herion, if a group of people are not going to give of the drug, than why provide safe herion for them. There was a village in england that tried this. It was plagued with herion addicts which in turn brought in crime. When the addicts were given their herion from a druggist, which was not stepped on...alot of these people actually found employment and lived far more productive lives than if they had been left to the streets. Old ideas about drugs do not work...and they never will. New solutions should be tried.
Maybe so....but one who does not seem to be able to factor the human condition or the circumstances which bring people to a crisis in their life. Your about judgement not finding solutions to anything.
Your remark about the crack house, when in fact if crack is not going to go away...and all the law enforcement and deterents don't work...and they don't!! than why not have legal crack houses where these people can die with dignity instead of in alleys?
The same with herion, if a group of people are not going to give of the drug, than why provide safe herion for them. There was a village in england that tried this. It was plagued with herion addicts which in turn brought in crime. When the addicts were given their herion from a druggist, which was not stepped on...alot of these people actually found employment and lived far more productive lives than if they had been left to the streets. Old ideas about drugs do not work...and they never will. New solutions should be tried.