Abortion
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Peapod,
I agree that we have to help people overcome situations in their lives.
However, I would bet if there was a person who lost their spouse of 50 years and went to the bar to "dull the pain", then killed someone driving home, you would feel sorry for the lose of the driver but would still want them to take responsibility for their actions.
Similarly, how would you deal with problem gamblers. You have to keep them away from those situations. Would you build them their own casino and play money?
Pregnancy, in the vast majority of cases, is NOT a terminal illness. Abortion is elective surgery nothing more, nothing less. With today's birth control, pregnancy is never an accident. The only women who have no choice in getting pregnant are victims of rape, which make up a very small percentage of abortion patients.
The list for adopting babies is years long in most places and these couples would give their right arm to have a baby and yet we kill thousands of them every year.
I simply believe that we have way to many "victims" in our society and not enough "survivors". Sometimes tough love is the best solution.
I agree that we have to help people overcome situations in their lives.
However, I would bet if there was a person who lost their spouse of 50 years and went to the bar to "dull the pain", then killed someone driving home, you would feel sorry for the lose of the driver but would still want them to take responsibility for their actions.
Similarly, how would you deal with problem gamblers. You have to keep them away from those situations. Would you build them their own casino and play money?
Pregnancy, in the vast majority of cases, is NOT a terminal illness. Abortion is elective surgery nothing more, nothing less. With today's birth control, pregnancy is never an accident. The only women who have no choice in getting pregnant are victims of rape, which make up a very small percentage of abortion patients.
The list for adopting babies is years long in most places and these couples would give their right arm to have a baby and yet we kill thousands of them every year.
I simply believe that we have way to many "victims" in our society and not enough "survivors". Sometimes tough love is the best solution.
Peapod,
I agree that we have to help people overcome situations in their lives.
However, I would bet if there was a person who lost their spouse of 50 years and went to the bar to "dull the pain", then killed someone driving home, you would feel sorry for the lose of the driver but would still want them to take responsibility for their actions.
Similarly, how would you deal with problem gamblers. You have to keep them away from those situations. Would you build them their own casino and play money?
Pregnancy, in the vast majority of cases, is NOT a terminal illness. Abortion is elective surgery nothing more, nothing less. With today's birth control, pregnancy is never an accident. The only women who have no choice in getting pregnant are victims of rape, which make up a very small percentage of abortion patients.
The list for adopting babies is years long in most places and these couples would give their right arm to have a baby and yet we kill thousands of them every year.
I simply believe that we have way to many "victims" in our society and not enough "survivors". Sometimes tough love is the best solution.
I agree that we have to help people overcome situations in their lives.
However, I would bet if there was a person who lost their spouse of 50 years and went to the bar to "dull the pain", then killed someone driving home, you would feel sorry for the lose of the driver but would still want them to take responsibility for their actions.
Similarly, how would you deal with problem gamblers. You have to keep them away from those situations. Would you build them their own casino and play money?
Pregnancy, in the vast majority of cases, is NOT a terminal illness. Abortion is elective surgery nothing more, nothing less. With today's birth control, pregnancy is never an accident. The only women who have no choice in getting pregnant are victims of rape, which make up a very small percentage of abortion patients.
The list for adopting babies is years long in most places and these couples would give their right arm to have a baby and yet we kill thousands of them every year.
I simply believe that we have way to many "victims" in our society and not enough "survivors". Sometimes tough love is the best solution.
Peapod,
I agree that we have to help people overcome situations in their lives.
However, I would bet if there was a person who lost their spouse of 50 years and went to the bar to "dull the pain", then killed someone driving home, you would feel sorry for the lose of the driver but would still want them to take responsibility for their actions.
Similarly, how would you deal with problem gamblers. You have to keep them away from those situations. Would you build them their own casino and play money?
Pregnancy, in the vast majority of cases, is NOT a terminal illness. Abortion is elective surgery nothing more, nothing less. With today's birth control, pregnancy is never an accident. The only women who have no choice in getting pregnant are victims of rape, which make up a very small percentage of abortion patients.
The list for adopting babies is years long in most places and these couples would give their right arm to have a baby and yet we kill thousands of them every year.
I simply believe that we have way to many "victims" in our society and not enough "survivors". Sometimes tough love is the best solution.
I agree that we have to help people overcome situations in their lives.
However, I would bet if there was a person who lost their spouse of 50 years and went to the bar to "dull the pain", then killed someone driving home, you would feel sorry for the lose of the driver but would still want them to take responsibility for their actions.
Similarly, how would you deal with problem gamblers. You have to keep them away from those situations. Would you build them their own casino and play money?
Pregnancy, in the vast majority of cases, is NOT a terminal illness. Abortion is elective surgery nothing more, nothing less. With today's birth control, pregnancy is never an accident. The only women who have no choice in getting pregnant are victims of rape, which make up a very small percentage of abortion patients.
The list for adopting babies is years long in most places and these couples would give their right arm to have a baby and yet we kill thousands of them every year.
I simply believe that we have way to many "victims" in our society and not enough "survivors". Sometimes tough love is the best solution.
So, Tidbear, by your logic it is better that the woman give birth to an unwanted child, put the child up for adoption. What about the child? Nearly every child of adoption wants to know their roots. Their medical history. Who's rights supercedes whos? THe parents right to privacy or the childs right to know? What about the emotional trauma of finding out that in fact you really weren't wanted?
Is it better to bring an unwanted child into the world because of a morality clause?
Is it better to bring an unwanted child into the world because of a morality clause?
So, Tidbear, by your logic it is better that the woman give birth to an unwanted child, put the child up for adoption. What about the child? Nearly every child of adoption wants to know their roots. Their medical history. Who's rights supercedes whos? THe parents right to privacy or the childs right to know? What about the emotional trauma of finding out that in fact you really weren't wanted?
Is it better to bring an unwanted child into the world because of a morality clause?
Is it better to bring an unwanted child into the world because of a morality clause?
So, Tidbear, by your logic it is better that the woman give birth to an unwanted child, put the child up for adoption. What about the child? Nearly every child of adoption wants to know their roots. Their medical history. Who's rights supercedes whos? THe parents right to privacy or the childs right to know? What about the emotional trauma of finding out that in fact you really weren't wanted?
Is it better to bring an unwanted child into the world because of a morality clause?
Is it better to bring an unwanted child into the world because of a morality clause?
Twila,
So your telling me that the child should be dead rather than having questions about their birth parents. Medical history is easy, you can give that in a form and give information anonymously. Yeesh, I know I would rather have questions then pushing up daisies!
Unwanted babies! There is no such thing. Haven't you heard about the 10 year waiting list to adopt. Which do you think the child would hear more of, "You mother didn't want you" or "You parents loved you so much that even though you weren't their flesh and blood they accepted you into their home and gave you everything they had." Your calling the adopted child unwanted! And I'm called cold-hearted.
Oh BTW, I did some research and from what I've read it appears that more woman die today as a result of the abortion situation than when we had an abortion law. It appears that most deaths are a result of late term abortions which almost never happened illegally. So it appears that in fact that if there was an abortion law, we would have more women alive and less parents looking to give loving homes to babies. Who's the loser??
So your telling me that the child should be dead rather than having questions about their birth parents. Medical history is easy, you can give that in a form and give information anonymously. Yeesh, I know I would rather have questions then pushing up daisies!
Unwanted babies! There is no such thing. Haven't you heard about the 10 year waiting list to adopt. Which do you think the child would hear more of, "You mother didn't want you" or "You parents loved you so much that even though you weren't their flesh and blood they accepted you into their home and gave you everything they had." Your calling the adopted child unwanted! And I'm called cold-hearted.
Oh BTW, I did some research and from what I've read it appears that more woman die today as a result of the abortion situation than when we had an abortion law. It appears that most deaths are a result of late term abortions which almost never happened illegally. So it appears that in fact that if there was an abortion law, we would have more women alive and less parents looking to give loving homes to babies. Who's the loser??
Twila,
So your telling me that the child should be dead rather than having questions about their birth parents. Medical history is easy, you can give that in a form and give information anonymously. Yeesh, I know I would rather have questions then pushing up daisies!
Unwanted babies! There is no such thing. Haven't you heard about the 10 year waiting list to adopt. Which do you think the child would hear more of, "You mother didn't want you" or "You parents loved you so much that even though you weren't their flesh and blood they accepted you into their home and gave you everything they had." Your calling the adopted child unwanted! And I'm called cold-hearted.
Oh BTW, I did some research and from what I've read it appears that more woman die today as a result of the abortion situation than when we had an abortion law. It appears that most deaths are a result of late term abortions which almost never happened illegally. So it appears that in fact that if there was an abortion law, we would have more women alive and less parents looking to give loving homes to babies. Who's the loser??
So your telling me that the child should be dead rather than having questions about their birth parents. Medical history is easy, you can give that in a form and give information anonymously. Yeesh, I know I would rather have questions then pushing up daisies!
Unwanted babies! There is no such thing. Haven't you heard about the 10 year waiting list to adopt. Which do you think the child would hear more of, "You mother didn't want you" or "You parents loved you so much that even though you weren't their flesh and blood they accepted you into their home and gave you everything they had." Your calling the adopted child unwanted! And I'm called cold-hearted.
Oh BTW, I did some research and from what I've read it appears that more woman die today as a result of the abortion situation than when we had an abortion law. It appears that most deaths are a result of late term abortions which almost never happened illegally. So it appears that in fact that if there was an abortion law, we would have more women alive and less parents looking to give loving homes to babies. Who's the loser??
Twila,
So your telling me that the child should be dead rather than having questions about their birth parents. Medical history is easy, you can give that in a form and give information anonymously. Yeesh, I know I would rather have questions then pushing up daisies!
Unwanted babies! There is no such thing. Haven't you heard about the 10 year waiting list to adopt. Which do you think the child would hear more of, "You mother didn't want you" or "You parents loved you so much that even though you weren't their flesh and blood they accepted you into their home and gave you everything they had." Your calling the adopted child unwanted! And I'm called cold-hearted.
Oh BTW, I did some research and from what I've read it appears that more woman die today as a result of the abortion situation than when we had an abortion law. It appears that most deaths are a result of late term abortions which almost never happened illegally. So it appears that in fact that if there was an abortion law, we would have more women alive and less parents looking to give loving homes to babies. Who's the loser??
So your telling me that the child should be dead rather than having questions about their birth parents. Medical history is easy, you can give that in a form and give information anonymously. Yeesh, I know I would rather have questions then pushing up daisies!
Unwanted babies! There is no such thing. Haven't you heard about the 10 year waiting list to adopt. Which do you think the child would hear more of, "You mother didn't want you" or "You parents loved you so much that even though you weren't their flesh and blood they accepted you into their home and gave you everything they had." Your calling the adopted child unwanted! And I'm called cold-hearted.
Oh BTW, I did some research and from what I've read it appears that more woman die today as a result of the abortion situation than when we had an abortion law. It appears that most deaths are a result of late term abortions which almost never happened illegally. So it appears that in fact that if there was an abortion law, we would have more women alive and less parents looking to give loving homes to babies. Who's the loser??
Twila,
Lets look at the different perspectives:
Mother:
With abortion law, would require her to carry baby to term but would have support made available to her. In addition, less death due to abortions because number of late term abortions would reduce to near zero.
Without abortion law, could have abortion at any time, however some mothers would have issues with their decision their whole lives. Number of deaths due to abortions is higher becuase of the number of later term abortions.
Debatable, but would think since fewer deaths and less women agonizing over killing their children there would be more winners if there was an abortion law.
Child:
With abortion law, life with loving adoptive parents or life with mother which may or may not be difficult.
Without abortion law, dead.
Clearly the child prefers abortion law.
Adoptive parents:
With abortion law, greatly reduced wait period and having children during their "child bearing" years.
With abortion law, wait up to 10 years to have a baby through adoption.
Again clearly the winners here want the abortion law.
Is there another perspective I've missed??
Lets look at the different perspectives:
Mother:
With abortion law, would require her to carry baby to term but would have support made available to her. In addition, less death due to abortions because number of late term abortions would reduce to near zero.
Without abortion law, could have abortion at any time, however some mothers would have issues with their decision their whole lives. Number of deaths due to abortions is higher becuase of the number of later term abortions.
Debatable, but would think since fewer deaths and less women agonizing over killing their children there would be more winners if there was an abortion law.
Child:
With abortion law, life with loving adoptive parents or life with mother which may or may not be difficult.
Without abortion law, dead.
Clearly the child prefers abortion law.
Adoptive parents:
With abortion law, greatly reduced wait period and having children during their "child bearing" years.
With abortion law, wait up to 10 years to have a baby through adoption.
Again clearly the winners here want the abortion law.
Is there another perspective I've missed??
Twila,
Lets look at the different perspectives:
Mother:
With abortion law, would require her to carry baby to term but would have support made available to her. In addition, less death due to abortions because number of late term abortions would reduce to near zero.
Without abortion law, could have abortion at any time, however some mothers would have issues with their decision their whole lives. Number of deaths due to abortions is higher becuase of the number of later term abortions.
Debatable, but would think since fewer deaths and less women agonizing over killing their children there would be more winners if there was an abortion law.
Child:
With abortion law, life with loving adoptive parents or life with mother which may or may not be difficult.
Without abortion law, dead.
Clearly the child prefers abortion law.
Adoptive parents:
With abortion law, greatly reduced wait period and having children during their "child bearing" years.
With abortion law, wait up to 10 years to have a baby through adoption.
Again clearly the winners here want the abortion law.
Is there another perspective I've missed??
Lets look at the different perspectives:
Mother:
With abortion law, would require her to carry baby to term but would have support made available to her. In addition, less death due to abortions because number of late term abortions would reduce to near zero.
Without abortion law, could have abortion at any time, however some mothers would have issues with their decision their whole lives. Number of deaths due to abortions is higher becuase of the number of later term abortions.
Debatable, but would think since fewer deaths and less women agonizing over killing their children there would be more winners if there was an abortion law.
Child:
With abortion law, life with loving adoptive parents or life with mother which may or may not be difficult.
Without abortion law, dead.
Clearly the child prefers abortion law.
Adoptive parents:
With abortion law, greatly reduced wait period and having children during their "child bearing" years.
With abortion law, wait up to 10 years to have a baby through adoption.
Again clearly the winners here want the abortion law.
Is there another perspective I've missed??
Twila,
Lets look at the different perspectives:
Mother:
With abortion law, would require her to carry baby to term but would have support made available to her. In addition, less death due to abortions because number of late term abortions would reduce to near zero.
Without abortion law, could have abortion at any time, however some mothers would have issues with their decision their whole lives. Number of deaths due to abortions is higher becuase of the number of later term abortions.
Debatable, but would think since fewer deaths and less women agonizing over killing their children there would be more winners if there was an abortion law.
Child:
With abortion law, life with loving adoptive parents or life with mother which may or may not be difficult.
Without abortion law, dead.
Clearly the child prefers abortion law.
Adoptive parents:
With abortion law, greatly reduced wait period and having children during their "child bearing" years.
With abortion law, wait up to 10 years to have a baby through adoption.
Again clearly the winners here want the abortion law.
Is there another perspective I've missed??
Lets look at the different perspectives:
Mother:
With abortion law, would require her to carry baby to term but would have support made available to her. In addition, less death due to abortions because number of late term abortions would reduce to near zero.
Without abortion law, could have abortion at any time, however some mothers would have issues with their decision their whole lives. Number of deaths due to abortions is higher becuase of the number of later term abortions.
Debatable, but would think since fewer deaths and less women agonizing over killing their children there would be more winners if there was an abortion law.
Child:
With abortion law, life with loving adoptive parents or life with mother which may or may not be difficult.
Without abortion law, dead.
Clearly the child prefers abortion law.
Adoptive parents:
With abortion law, greatly reduced wait period and having children during their "child bearing" years.
With abortion law, wait up to 10 years to have a baby through adoption.
Again clearly the winners here want the abortion law.
Is there another perspective I've missed??
The arguement about what a child wants is illogical. Children want lots of candy and all night tv.
To guess at what one would feel if they were dead is illogical. One feels nothing when one is dead.
I stated early that I believe it is upto the individuals involved to decide. No amount of persuading by any pro-lifer is going to change that for me. By this statement I realize and accept that we all have FREE WILL. As was intended from the start. If not we would not be enjoying this democratic society we live in.
To guess at what one would feel if they were dead is illogical. One feels nothing when one is dead.
I stated early that I believe it is upto the individuals involved to decide. No amount of persuading by any pro-lifer is going to change that for me. By this statement I realize and accept that we all have FREE WILL. As was intended from the start. If not we would not be enjoying this democratic society we live in.
The arguement about what a child wants is illogical. Children want lots of candy and all night tv.
To guess at what one would feel if they were dead is illogical. One feels nothing when one is dead.
I stated early that I believe it is upto the individuals involved to decide. No amount of persuading by any pro-lifer is going to change that for me. By this statement I realize and accept that we all have FREE WILL. As was intended from the start. If not we would not be enjoying this democratic society we live in.
To guess at what one would feel if they were dead is illogical. One feels nothing when one is dead.
I stated early that I believe it is upto the individuals involved to decide. No amount of persuading by any pro-lifer is going to change that for me. By this statement I realize and accept that we all have FREE WILL. As was intended from the start. If not we would not be enjoying this democratic society we live in.
The arguement about what a child wants is illogical. Children want lots of candy and all night tv.
To guess at what one would feel if they were dead is illogical. One feels nothing when one is dead.
I stated early that I believe it is upto the individuals involved to decide. No amount of persuading by any pro-lifer is going to change that for me. By this statement I realize and accept that we all have FREE WILL. As was intended from the start. If not we would not be enjoying this democratic society we live in.
To guess at what one would feel if they were dead is illogical. One feels nothing when one is dead.
I stated early that I believe it is upto the individuals involved to decide. No amount of persuading by any pro-lifer is going to change that for me. By this statement I realize and accept that we all have FREE WILL. As was intended from the start. If not we would not be enjoying this democratic society we live in.