A new political sunrise.
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The problem is there are too many TV channels. When we were young we had no choice but watch news and politics on the tube. We couldn't just turn to something else, we had no choice but sit through all that crap to get to the one or two good shows a week.
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Well, cranky, I'm glad you asked!
It's a common form of spin to throw the ol' red herring and make people look somewhere else. Fortunately, we can clear up this mess with the simple common logic that any average joe could surmise.. And that is, conservatives only have 40% of the popular vote, which means they should get 40% of the power. NDP should get 30% of the power. Libs, Bloc, Green and so on..
And that's how a proportional democracy works.
Now, the poo party can come in and call this sour grapes or whatever.. but they're only saying that because.. hehehehe.. their party is in the majority. If their party wasn't a majority.. well... then they would clearly be agreeing with me right now, wouldn't they?
And so, you see how we can continue to spin, spin, spin this around... or we can actually sit together as adults and accept the reality that parliament should adopt proportional representation if it wants to be more democratic.
I'm hoping for a referendum on this by the next election if there is enough media attention.
when it is used in the context of democratic reform, then I'm listeing and support the ideas.
However, Canada has to operate with its current system while the think tankers campaign for change.
imo, when someone whines or cries about our current government, in our current system, they are primarily whining and crying. Is that clear enough for you?
Tell that to the pro-lifers.
Every movement needs a beginning - civil or otherwise. When you simply shrug something off as whining or crying, you are yourself a weak and cowardly individual for not tackling the proposition head on.
Tell that to the pro-lifers.
meh, we can go to the correct thread for that, can't we?
I've already done my part to tackle that beast.
Do you have the courage to actually recognize the need for proportional representation? Or will you continue to simply write off those in protest as whiners or cry babies like the other conservative babbies on this forum?
I thought I was clear on that one, but will repeat it. I support the idea of proportional representation.
But whining about our current government - and using the prop rep - is assinine because if it wasn't one party it would have been another. There was no chance in hell that we were going to get a majority government last may that actually represented a majority of the pop vote.
Sour grapes, I tell you.
But whining about our current government - and using the prop rep - is assinine because if it wasn't one party it would have been another. There was no chance in hell that we were going to get a majority government last may that actually represented a majority of the pop vote.
Sour grapes, I tell you.
It's a f*****g zoo there now, with that set up it would be absolute Bedlam and nothing would be accomplished.
If the NDP won a majority, and DePape began a motion to effect some electoral reform, I would be just as adamant. Remember, the whole point of these protests are to try and enact a change for the next government by bringing the pertinent issues to the forefront.
It's well understood that the current majority has the freedom to do whatever they want.
No sour grapes there.
it seems as if the topic shifted a bit, ie I was talking one point, now you are talking a slightly different point.
Well, I support a different system as well.
The preferential ballot, I believe, is the system most suited to this country.........it leaves the riding system intact, but requires that each candidate command 50% support in his riding before he takes his seat.
But what the opposition to the CPC needs to understand is that under the current system, the solid majority of the Conservatives is perfectly legitimate, as such governments have always been democratically elected and perfectly legitimate for 144 years.........so to complain that the CPC has only 40% support is completely irrelevant....they have a majority in Parliament........
And a new system would require a new election for the results to be legitimate....
Let me explain. Take the typical Canadian riding, and let's pretend the Preferential Ballot system is in place...... three parties running....The CPC, the NDP, and the Liberals. So......the CPC take 42%, the NDP 34%, the Liberals 24%.......the Liberals are eliminated.
Now, the problem with the complaints about this election is that those NOT CPC assume all the Liberal voters would put the NDP as their second choice.......and that is simply not so. The division of Liberal ballots would more likely be close to down the middle, pushing the CPC over the top...........and, if extrapolated over the nation, gives the Conservatives more than 50% of the seats....
The point being that the first-past-the-post system IS legitimate, although flawed.....and complaints that under another system the Harperites
would not be in power is merely wishful thinking.DePape started nothing except a sour-grapes movement of people with no respect for Canadian democracy, no respect for a solemn oath, and no respect for signed contracts.
As far as I'm concerned we're better off ignoring THAT bunch.
BEGAN a movement?
Ever hear of the Reform Party??????
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I'm pretty sure this is a nod to the fact that our 144-year old system can be improved.
Of course.
Well, a referendum first, and then an election if I'm not mistaken. I think the Aussies are in the middle of this process.
Actually I wasn't making any proposal regarding the WCB one way or the other. I was just pointing out that when it comes to opting out of an institution that has served farmers for 75 years things are never quite as cut and dried as they seem. If the time has come where the WCB has outlived its usefulness, then by all means scrap it. Just keep in mind that once it is gone it may prove very difficult to reestablish it if the free market does not turn out to be as friendly to grain farmers as some think it is.
No they don't...I work for a drug company, and we don't need a medical license...we are highly regulated, but we don't need a medical license. Our manufacturing must comply with Good Manufacturing Practices. In R&D, our clinical studies must comply with Good Clinical Practice, and we have one quality assurance FTE in our R&D department. Hopefully two next year and a new job for me!